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How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

 
 
 
Regarding scam call centers and Attorney General.
Apparently credits should be given to .... Americans.
Americans are running NABU (anti-corruption agency)
And they apparently conducted a sting operation where they opened a number of actual scam centers but were recording all interactions with government officials including ..... attorney general.
Dude is fucked. I wonder what happens to all that money which were lost by European pensioners
and war between GUR and SBU continues. SBU tried to arrest a russina nazi who was working for GUR, gun fight between two agencies followes.
and now drone hit on SBU chief office. SBU chief by the way, served time in unkrainiam prison for his prior criminal activities, basically he is a crime boss, but Elensky trust him more than Budanov who has presidential ambitions.
And that russian nazi working for GUR (curated by Budanov) is accused for working for ........ russians (FSB)

The whole thing is fascinating.
 
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barbos said:
Patooka said:
I am pretty certain this thread is just people pointing out reality.

And then Moscow Bob dump posts and I wonder. And then I read Moscow Bob's posts.
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reality is, you are all full of shit.
Belgians told EU "You want russian money from our bank, you would have to share the risk"
EU said "No, we won't do that" Belgians: "Case closed"
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Well, what part of...

TV and credit cards said:
Remember that €210 billion Russia had? The money Belgium won't give Ukraine access to for fear of Euroclear taking a reputational hit? Well, it looks like it may satisfy Belgium to have those funds moved to a custodian that all EU members would be jointly responsible for and would not be tied to any one sovereign state Russia could target.
Could an EU custodian break the long deadlock on the Russian assets?
The Russia Transfer
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don't you understand?


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ISW said:
Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed on September 5 his support for United Russia Party candidate Yevgeny Poddubny’s proposal to allow Russian volunteers with fitness category D (unfit for military service) to serve in regional air defense units
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"Russian volunteers". There's a side-splitter.

"If you'd like to volunteer, stand there and do nothing."
What?
"Comrade"
Wait. What?
 
Russia will get all the money back plus reparation.
You WILL pay reparations one way or another. In fact you are effectively paying them already (through oil/gas hikes)
 
That Belgian Fund holds ~$200B of russian money and Belgian GDP is ~$700B. If they allow to steal that money they will be in troubles. First, every other non-western country will withdraw its money and Russia will take all Belgian assets in China&Co. Moreover the West has assets in Russia of comparable size.
 
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So far this year, Russia has gained something like 180 square kilometers of territory in Ukraine and its rate has substantially decreased. But it’s lost almost 400 square kilometers as well.

But assuming it continues to capture say 250 square kilometers per month, it needs to capture 150,000 square kilometers, minimum, just to get near Kiev. That’s 600 months or 50 years. All while defending itself from Ukrainian incursions elsewhere.

Russia simply does not have the operational capacity to capture Ukraine. If Putin were smart, he’d declare victory and go home.
 
SLD said:
So far this year, Russia has gained something like 180 square kilometers of territory in Ukraine and its rate has substantially decreased. But it’s lost almost 400 square kilometers as well.
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Bullshit, utter bullshit.
ISW are fucking liars. They take what other fucking liars (Kiev Regime) say as truth.
Ukrainans had one agency which was somewhat reliable in reporting which was called "Deep State", that until they were threatened by Elensky to mobilize them all. After that they basically report utter BS.
Having said that, for the millionth's time, this "Russia is moving too slow" trope is really tiresome.
We are not concerned with territory so much, main concern is exterminating ukraine/west's ability to fight.
And right now, Russia use glide bombs over Odessa. Ukraine has no meaningful air-defence.
Outside Reichstag, I mean Elensky residence, Ukraine does not even try to shoot down russian drones
100% of the jet powered drones and missiles are reaching their target. Ukraine has ability to shoot down older propeller driven geranium drones, but half of the drones are now jet powered version, they fly too high for ground fire.
Russian deep strike drones have FPV ability from mesh communication and limited ability from russian "StarLink" That allows tor strike moving targets such as trains and we were systematically hitting locomotives.
Kiev regime clowns claim taking shitload of territory back. In reality these asshole simply plant a flag into gray zone ares and take a picture then leave and claim x square kilometers as taken back.
 
barbos said:
TV and credit cards said:
Well, what part of...
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You are not fooling anyone with all these ingenious schemes to steal Russian assets.
it is impossible. Belgians know that they are fucked if they agree to that.
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Where's the harm? I was in favor of returning it as part of a comprehensive peace plan with Russia. But we're approaching 5 years, and I see no signs of any concessions in Russia. Give the money to Ukraine. Russia has stolen far more from Ukraine. Give it to Ukraine. People in the west who think that peace is possible with Russia are deluded in my opinion. It's just a matter of time until Russia attacks Nato.
 
barbos said:
SLD said:
So far this year, Russia has gained something like 180 square kilometers of territory in Ukraine and its rate has substantially decreased. But it’s lost almost 400 square kilometers as well.
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Bullshit, utter bullshit.
ISW are fucking liars. They take what other fucking liars (Kiev Regime) say as truth.
Ukrainans had one agency which was somewhat reliable in reporting which was called "Deep State", that until they were threatened by Elensky to mobilize them all. After that they basically report utter BS.
Having said that, for the millionth's time, this "Russia is moving too slow" trope is really tiresome.
We are not concerned with territory so much, main concern is exterminating ukraine/west's ability to fight.
And right now, Russia use glide bombs over Odessa. Ukraine has no meaningful air-defence.
Outside Reichstag, I mean Elensky residence, Ukraine does not even try to shoot down russian drones
100% of the jet powered drones and missiles are reaching their target. Ukraine has ability to shoot down older propeller driven geranium drones, but half of the drones are now jet powered version, they fly too high for ground fire.
Russian deep strike drones have FPV ability from mesh communication and limited ability from russian "StarLink" That allows tor strike moving targets such as trains and we were systematically hitting locomotives.
Kiev regime clowns claim taking shitload of territory back. In reality these asshole simply plant a flag into gray zone ares and take a picture then leave and claim x square kilometers as taken back.
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Seems like you are drinking more cool aide than normal today?
 
Harry Bosch said:
It’s just a matter of time until Russia attacks Nato.
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If Pootey lives long enough.
At this point even his BFFs (such as they be) are starting to cultivate options.

It is interesting how it parallels Trump’s adventurousness. But Pootey has waaay more control over killing his way out of domestic adversity. Almost as much as whoever runs Iran. Trump, OTOH, might be about to get his ass handed to him by the rabble if he can’t rig this thing well enough.
 
Harry Bosch said:
barbos said:
TV and credit cards said:
Well, what part of...
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You are not fooling anyone with all these ingenious schemes to steal Russian assets.
it is impossible. Belgians know that they are fucked if they agree to that.
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Where's the harm? I was in favor of returning it as part of a comprehensive peace plan with Russia. But we're approaching 5 years, and I see no signs of any concessions in Russia. Give the money to Ukraine. Russia has stolen far more from Ukraine. Give it to Ukraine. People in the west who think that peace is possible with Russia are deluded in my opinion. It's just a matter of time until Russia attacks Nato.
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There's been drone attacks on Germany by Russia already. Also saboteur attempts on power grids. Germany has ordered the closure of the Russian consulate in Bonn and also of something called the Russian House in Berlin, which 'many observers have said has been used for espionage and to spread Russian propaganda.'
 
RFE/RL said:
Russia has been sending abducted Ukrainian children to a summer camp in North Korea, according to a European Union document seen by RFE/RL outlining a new round of planned sanctions.
The document lists people and entities to be included in new EU sanctions on Russia to be approved next week.
The people proposed for sanctioning are mainly leading officials in Russian-occupied territories in Crimea and Donbas but perhaps the most remarkable entry on the list is the Songdowon International Children’s Camp, which is run by the North Korean authorities.
The document notes that this camp “participates in organized programs involving the transfer of Ukrainian children from temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine to North Korea.”
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Russia, you've outdone yourself.
 
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