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Chomsky is known for his expertise in recent US history.

If we were to guess who, you or Chomsky, doesn't know recent US history it isn't close.
 
Why don't you tell me which lie you have thoroughly researched and know is very bad.

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If you have read Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" , and I say this with sure knowledge you've never read it, you would know most every comment Chomsky ever uttered regarding Fascism and Communism is either a lie or a self serving twisting of the data. The man ran with Gould - perhaps it was the other way around - ferchrist sake.

One of those studying Gould resorted to the most common notion of excusing him for his political leanings or vice versa with regard to his evolutionary theory as follows: Stephen Jay Gould as a political theorist https://bioone.org/journals/politic...-political-theorist/10.2990/1471-5457(2006)25[2:SJGAAP]2.0.CO;2.full

Because human beings are part of life, and because Gould had intense political commitments, this meta-philosophy included within its purview much that was directly relevant to political theorizing. His individual ideas must be interpreted as facets of one large integrated factual and moral system that encompasses a natural-scientific, social-scientific, and normative worldview — in other words, as facets of an ideology.

This smacks of what is right for the state is right for science, something of which those who study conditioning are very familiar - the bastardization of Pavlovian theory for political justification - where conditioning is claimed without research to be thus and so justified to align with Marx.

Yes I'm saying Chomsky can be lumped with those who have political view they wish to be baptized in the patina of science.

Just look at the wiki article on his politics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky#Capitalism_and_socialism

How about the following summary I give that piece> Never in the history of the world has so little been said that can be attached to reality or plausibility.
 
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So I would have read some book to know about these lies from Chomsky?

You can't possibly name one and defend your claim?

I see.

This insanity about Gould is pure fabrication.

You don't know his work or understand evolution very well and can't show one instance where these insane ideas about Gould's politics actually surface.

Anybody can make worthless accusations.

You can't defend a word of your nonsense.
 
Chomsky is known for his expertise in recent US history.

If we were to guess who, you or Chomsky, doesn't know recent US history it isn't close.

Anybody can read and assimilate books. Many of the cable news pundits are experts in US history and detailed political history. That is their job. They are out in the thick of it.

My point about Chomsky is that his observations are not that profound on advertising. The book Propaganda from the 20s-30s pretty much woks it all out. Chomsky is not original on this topic. What is your obsession with Chomsky as truth?

Chomsky implies it is govt promoted with intent, that is mass advertising. I see no evidence of that. From my long experience in technology what capital does is look at changing demographics and lifestyles and finds ways to create products and services for it. That is a bit of as simplification because advertising and products themselves affect cultural changes. Obviously the Internet and cell phones and now wireless devices that rival past computers.

It is a complex dynamic not reduced to a single simple causal effect. The analysis is obvious to me, I spent years dealing with complex systems. And observing and being part of complex social dynamics. You can not learn it from a book.



Ivory tower academics are isolated observers. On the west coast 'east coast intellectuals' refers to Ivy League academics who pronounce morality from afar.

To the OP. The cultural revolution 0f the 50s-70s overturned the orderly and conventional and conformist American culture. It was a movement that rejected conventional work and responsibility. That is where what is today began.

Middle class kids due to post war economics did not have to immediately get a job and start a family. Adulthood was postponed.

Communes. The Summer Of Love. Haight Ashbury and hippies. Woodstock.

It began the phenomenon of delayed adulthood and now the idea of perpetual childhood.

As to the truth of it, I was part of it. I spent most of the 70's as a social dropout. Sex and intoxication.
 
Nobody but you gives a shit if something is profound.

The question of this thread is whether it is true or not.
 
Nobody but you gives a shit if something is profound.

The question of this thread is whether it is true or not.

Reread my last post. There is no govt conspiracy with advertising. It is a quack assertion. There is no evidence of that other than an aging professor making something up to stir the pot.

With fromderinside's post it becomes clearer Chomsky is/was one of the 50s-80s leftists who liked to rant about things.

It is the way culture and economics have evolved. No govt plan. communist Russia and China, and Russia today is a different story. Govt control of media and propaganda.

Offer something other than a sound bite from a video by someone who you think is the greatest intellectual on Earth.
 
Chomsky never said one word about a government conspiracy.

You have not even listened to what he actually said yet.

What fromtheinside's post shows is there are a lot of ignorant anti-Chomsky fools that like to invent shit.
 
And there people you have it. A response with references is produced in support of Chomsky lies. One is an itemized presenting of the Chomsky quotes and citations of evidence demonstrating his quotes as not true (lies). A second response is to take an acknowledged history, with over 140 pages of citations documenting the history, and using it to compare Chomsky's quotes with those said by the author of the Chomsky critique so everyone can determine for themselves whether Chomsky lied.

Untermenche states he isn't going to read the authoritative document nor is he going to accept and other's documentation of Chomsky's comments as lies.

Whoda thunk.

Then untermenche goes on to throw flame balls and insults about critiques, convincing critiques, about the nature of Chomsky's politics and Science bases.

Of course untermenche is right. His immaculate mind insists he is so.

It's simple really. My nonsense is documented and available for those who wish to check it while untermenche's nonsense comes straight from his keyboard right out of his visera.

QED.

Probably I should have just written

-nm
 
And there people you have it. A response with references is produced in support of Chomsky lies.

I asked you to pick just one alleged "lie" and demonstrate how it was a lie and you could not.

You posted a list with a title you read after a 3 second google search.

It's a bunch of nonsense and I proved in the one case I looked at they took Chomsky out of context and claimed he was saying the exact opposite of what he was actually saying.

You have provided a bogus list, not demonstrated one lie.

Your claims of lies is the lie.
 
Wow.


You are calling his accuser a liar because you think that you found a comment query that changes the meaning of what Chomsky said. He said he wouldn't abandon Marxism but he would go about "finding what's valid in various ideas that have some use for us". IOW he's still acting the apologist for Marxism. Seems to me that if Chomsky wasn't embracing Marxism he'd be finding instances where at least he finds fault with Marxism.

No. He's an apolight and he is still a liar.

You found nothing.. Not even a pot to piss in.
 
Wow.


You are calling his accuser a liar because you think that you found a comment query that changes the meaning of what Chomsky said. He said he wouldn't abandon Marxism but he would go about "finding what's valid in various ideas that have some use for us". IOW he's still acting the apologist for Marxism. Seems to me that if Chomsky wasn't embracing Marxism he'd be finding instances where at least he finds fault with Marxism.

No. He's an apolight and he is still a liar.

You found nothing.. Not even a pot to piss in.

How is specifically saying he does not want to identify with the Marxists turn in to him claiming to be a Marxist?

He said the exact opposite, clearly and specifically, of what they claimed he said.

All he said is he will not abandon any good idea just because it comes from a Marxist.

They took a tiny snippet out of context and used it to lie.

The alleged lie from Chomsky is clearly a lie from the makers of that list.

And you buy it without even looking at it.

You're pissing on yourself.
 
Someone seems to have a long distance bromance with a guy named Chomsky. Is it true love or just fleeting infatuation?
 
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