I can't tell you if I'm vaccinated. That would violate HIPAA rules.' What an Idiot!

[untermensche]

You still don't get it. Biden is free to talk about it. The docs involved aren't free to confirm or deny.

In another thread you identified yourself as working in a hospital. I'm amazed you haven't had mandatory training on this.

I obviously know a lot more about this than you.

If asked, his doctor can say "Yes" Biden had the vaccine.

"You all saw it."

You don't know what you're talking about.

Protected information is different from publicly acknowledged information.

If somebody famous comes out and says they have cancer their doctors are allowed to confirm it.

I suggest you talk with your compliance officer.

My compliance officer has no concerns for the things people freely make public knowledge.

They are concerned with information in the EMR.

I cannot talk about things I find in the EMR.

But if Biden gets his shot in public that is knowledge not gained from the EMR.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I suggest you talk with your compliance officer.

My compliance officer has no concerns for the things people freely make public knowledge.

They are concerned with information in the EMR.

I cannot talk about things I find in the EMR.

But if Biden gets his shot in public that is knowledge not gained from the EMR.

But the information in the EMR might be different than what you see in public.

 

[TomC]

I suggest you talk with your compliance officer.

My compliance officer has no concerns for the things people freely make public knowledge.

They are concerned with information in the EMR.

I cannot talk about things I find in the EMR.

But if Biden gets his shot in public that is knowledge not gained from the EMR.

But the information in the EMR might be different than what you see in public.

I don't understand your point here.

It's possible that Biden faked his vaccination. Seems implausible to me, but not outside the realms of possibilities. But there's no HIPPAA problem with discussing or publicizing your own medical history. You just can't talk about other people's history without permission. It's not that difficult.

The only plausible explanation for MTG's behavior is lying for political gain. If she truly believes that the vaccination is a bad idea and has refused it, she can say that publicly. It's her own medical history. She could say, "No, I've not been vaccinated. I'm not sure about the safety.", or whatever she wants. But she didn't. She dodged a simple question, referring to a nonexistent policy. She wouldn't say yes, and she wouldn't say no.

To me, the most plausible explanation for that behavior is that she understands the health benefits of the vaccine and has been vaccinated. But she's beholden to the Trumpista antivaxxers for political power, so she won't be honest about that.

One of the worst kinds of political hypocrisy, IMHO. But she's demonstrated adeptness at that before. So that's what I think is going on.
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

But the information in the EMR might be different than what you see in public.

I don't understand your point here.

It's possible that Biden faked his vaccination. Seems implausible to me, but not outside the realms of possibilities. But there's no HIPPAA problem with discussing or publicizing your own medical history. You just can't talk about other people's history without permission. It's not that difficult.

The only plausible explanation for MTG's behavior is lying for political gain. If she truly believes that the vaccination is a bad idea and has refused it, she can say that publicly. It's her own medical history. She could say, "No, I've not been vaccinated. I'm not sure about the safety.", or whatever she wants. But she didn't. She dodged a simple question, referring to a nonexistent policy. She wouldn't say yes, and she wouldn't say no.

To me, the most plausible explanation for that behavior is that she understands the health benefits of the vaccine and has been vaccinated. But she's beholden to the Trumpista antivaxxers for political power, so she won't be honest about that.

One of the worst kinds of political hypocrisy, IMHO. But she's demonstrated adeptness at that before. So that's what I think is going on.

Right. So basically she yelled, "You can't ask that! You're evil!! Help, they're after me! HIPAA! HIPAA!" It's not meant to be a direct quote. It's describing her behavior.

 

[Keith&Co.]

But the information in the EMR might be different than what you see in public.

I don't understand your point here.

Say a rumor starts that Biden did NOT get vaccinated on TV. That it was saline.

Either because:
1) It's all a planned epidemic for the purpose of destroying Trump, and the elites had the vaccine three years ago, before the plague was released
2) The vaccine is still too experimental and he dare not risk it, but he doesn't want the voters to know that
...whichever conspiracy theory appeals to one's baser instincts.

In either case, if you do not trust the public spectacle and the visible record, someone with access to his actual medical information cannot ethically look up the actual date of his actual vaccination and reveal that to the world. Because HIPAA.
We can all say 'I saw it on TV,' no one can say, 'Well, i looked it up and the fact is ___ (1, 2 or As Public).'

 

[TomC]

But the information in the EMR might be different than what you see in public.

I don't understand your point here.

Say a rumor starts that Biden did NOT get vaccinated on TV. That it was saline.

Either because:
1) It's all a planned epidemic for the purpose of destroying Trump, and the elites had the vaccine three years ago, before the plague was released
2) The vaccine is still too experimental and he dare not risk it, but he doesn't want the voters to know that
...whichever conspiracy theory appeals to one's baser instincts.

In either case, if you do not trust the public spectacle and the visible record, someone with access to his actual medical information cannot ethically look up the actual date of his actual vaccination and reveal that to the world. Because HIPAA.
We can all say 'I saw it on TV,' no one can say, 'Well, i looked it up and the fact is ___ (1, 2 or As Public).'

I don't understand your point.

Yes, it's true that people can make false claims for any reason that they want.

The OP made one in the thread title. It's been generally defended, read post #104.
It's not just the Trumpistas who are fine with a false claim as long as your team scores a point.
Tom

 

[Keith&Co.]

I don't understand your point.

HIPAA says people with a professional relationship with your private medical information cannot reveal it.

 

[untermensche]

But the information in the EMR might be different than what you see in public.

I don't understand your point here.

Say a rumor starts that Biden did NOT get vaccinated on TV. That it was saline.

Either because:
1) It's all a planned epidemic for the purpose of destroying Trump, and the elites had the vaccine three years ago, before the plague was released
2) The vaccine is still too experimental and he dare not risk it, but he doesn't want the voters to know that
...whichever conspiracy theory appeals to one's baser instincts.

In either case, if you do not trust the public spectacle and the visible record, someone with access to his actual medical information cannot ethically look up the actual date of his actual vaccination and reveal that to the world. Because HIPAA.
We can all say 'I saw it on TV,' no one can say, 'Well, i looked it up and the fact is ___ (1, 2 or As Public).'

That is such a bizarre scenario for a simple vaccine.

I know a lot of crazy people are making it into more than what it is.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's possible that Biden faked his vaccination. Seems implausible to me, but not outside the realms of possibilities.

Exactly. The people with any access to his medical records can neither confirm nor deny because of this.

But there's no HIPPAA problem with discussing or publicizing your own medical history. You just can't talk about other people's history without permission. It's not that difficult.

I never said there was a problem. I'm only saying that just because he talked about it doesn't let his doctors talk about it.

The only plausible explanation for MTG's behavior is lying for political gain. If she truly believes that the vaccination is a bad idea and has refused it, she can say that publicly. It's her own medical history. She could say, "No, I've not been vaccinated. I'm not sure about the safety.", or whatever she wants. But she didn't. She dodged a simple question, referring to a nonexistent policy. She wouldn't say yes, and she wouldn't say no.

Probably, but it could also be that she doesn't understand that HIPAA restricts the docs, not the patient. She's stupid enough I'm not willing to rule out stupidity here.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Say a rumor starts that Biden did NOT get vaccinated on TV. That it was saline.

Either because:
1) It's all a planned epidemic for the purpose of destroying Trump, and the elites had the vaccine three years ago, before the plague was released
2) The vaccine is still too experimental and he dare not risk it, but he doesn't want the voters to know that
...whichever conspiracy theory appeals to one's baser instincts.

In either case, if you do not trust the public spectacle and the visible record, someone with access to his actual medical information cannot ethically look up the actual date of his actual vaccination and reveal that to the world. Because HIPAA.
We can all say 'I saw it on TV,' no one can say, 'Well, i looked it up and the fact is ___ (1, 2 or As Public).'

That is such a bizarre scenario for a simple vaccine.

I know a lot of crazy people are making it into more than what it is.

Every so often we see a case in the news where it's pretty clear someone is making false medical claims and the other side is staying quiet because of HIPAA. While I see no likelyhood of that being the case here the rules don't care--the people with any access to medical info (which can be as simple as a non-medical employee seeing someone walk in the door) don't talk about it without a written release. Period.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Bizarre? People are blaming Pelosi for the riot that was just a tour that was violent Antifa but really patriotic Americans who love America.
And these are all claims by McCarthy.
It's not even a stretch to guess two people are gonna come up with conflicting theories about why one televised shot was actually an evil act of evil.

 

[blastula]

Not defending Greene or anything. But
"I can't tell you" and "I don't have to reveal" are different things. The OP title is sorta fake news, misrepresentation of what Greene actually said.

Just sayin'
Tom

HIPAA says neither of those options. One is not any less stupid than the other. The title is not exactly a smear.

 

[jab]

Marjorie Taylor Greene really is that dumb.

"Well, you see your first question is a violation of my HIPPA rights," Greene replied. "And with HIPPA rights, we don't have to reveal our medical records and that also involves our vaccine records."

I think we have a new Sarah Palin, this time she's blonde.

bottle blonde and ugly inside and out

 

[jab]

They absolutely would not be. Why would you think that.
You think their dear leader would have embraced it? Changed his public statements on vaccination? You think the republicans would have jumped on it? And the democrats would have behaved differently than normal?

And you think Pfizer deliberately delayed?

Seriously on this stuff? Wow…. Wow.

Covid-19 vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech is strongly effective, early data from large trial indicate

In their announcement of the results, Pfizer and BioNTech revealed a surprise. The companies said they had decided not to conduct the 32-case analysis “after a discussion with the FDA.” Instead, they planned to conduct the analysis after 62 cases. But by the time the plan had been formalized, there had been 94 cases of Covid-19 in the study. It’s not known how many were in the vaccine arm, but it would have to be nine or fewer.

Gruber said that Pfizer and BioNTech had decided in late October that they wanted to drop the 32-case interim analysis. At that time, the companies decided to stop having their lab confirm cases of Covid-19 in the study, instead leaving samples in storage. The FDA was aware of this decision. Discussions between the agency and the companies concluded, and testing began this past Wednesday. When the samples were tested, there were 94 cases of Covid in the trial. The DSMB met on Sunday.

This means that the statistical strength of the result is likely far stronger than was initially expected. It also means that if Pfizer had held to the original plan, the data would likely have been available in October, as its CEO, Albert Bourla, had initially predicted.

So the timeline was for the results by October. But they chose to stop the 32-case analysis testing in late October, leaving samples in storage, and then resumed the scheduled testing the Wednesday after the election. Yeah, that's a big fucking surprise.

What does this have to do with the bottle blonde Greene and Hippwhatever?

 

[steve_bank]

Thoroughly debunked in the media. It aplies to 3rd party medical services.

Anti vaccers grasping at straws.

 

[untermensche]

Bizarre? People are blaming Pelosi for the riot that was just a tour that was violent Antifa but really patriotic Americans who love America.
And these are all claims by McCarthy.
It's not even a stretch to guess two people are gonna come up with conflicting theories about why one televised shot was actually an evil act of evil.

Yes Antifa was very mad that Biden was elected using fraud and attacked the police to try to stop the process.

Why you ask?

Because Antifa is really a Trump organization.

You heard it here first.

 

[steve_bank]

Bizarre? People are blaming Pelosi for the riot that was just a tour that was violent Antifa but really patriotic Americans who love America.
And these are all claims by McCarthy.
It's not even a stretch to guess two people are gonna come up with conflicting theories about why one televised shot was actually an evil act of evil.

Yes Antifa was very mad that Biden was elected using fraud and attacked the police to try to stop the process.

Why you ask?

Because Antifa is really a Trump organization.

You heard it here first.

Don't know the point ypu are making.

ANTIFA and B;ack Bloc show up every year in Seattle since the WTO meeting in the 90s. They dress like Ninjas in black. They throw fire bombs trying to provoke police. They attack uselessness.

Progressive media rationalizes it away while emphasizing the wacky right. A progressive on our city councul let protestors into city hall at night. Not as violent as DC, but certainly an 'attack on democracy'

I am an independent centrist, media is certainly giving the extreme left a pass. Extreme right and left are mirror images.


We have an avowed communist on our city council running for mayor who openly wants to tare down the system and replcace it with her own version of 'real democracy'.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Don't know the point ypu are making.

He says that the Right uses 'antifa' much the way they use 'communist,' 'Marxist,' and 'Socialist.' Meaningless words that can be inserted in any argument to shift the blame away from anything the GOP might not want to take responsibility for.

 

[steve_bank]

Don't know the point ypu are making.

He says that the Right uses 'antifa' much the way they use 'communist,' 'Marxist,' and 'Socialist.' Meaningless words that can be inserted in any argument to shift the blame away from anything the GOP might not want to take responsibility for.

Ok thanks.

I agree, left and right are mirror images. From what I read one side calling another 'weak on defense' goes back to the first campaigns.

The mainstream media tends to give the wacky left a pass.

 

[Swammerdami]

... Progressive media rationalizes it away while emphasizing the wacky right. A progressive on our city councul let protestors into city hall at night. Not as violent as DC, but certainly an 'attack on democracy'

I am an independent centrist, media is certainly giving the extreme left a pass. Extreme right and left are mirror images.

The FBI and other anti-terrorist organizations — NOT hotbeds of progressive fancy! — have declared that right-wing extremists are the top terrorism threat in the USA, way ahead of Islamists, let alone Antifa.

Not surprising really. White supremacists and Stop-the-Steal Trumpists are unified by hatred, while Antifa is unified by opposition to such hatreds.

We have an avowed communist on our city council running for mayor who openly wants to tare down the system and replcace it with her own version of 'real democracy'.

Who are you talking about? Cite?

I'm sure you're not speaking of Kshama Sawant, a socialist with a PhD in economics? I don't think she labels herself a Trotskyist, let alone a communist. She did push through a $15 minimum wage in Seattle! The horror! The horror!


Now you've got me curious. What does "independent centrist" mean to you? Midway between Nancy Pelosi and Donald Trump?