I have a question, just how general is general intelligence?

[AthenaAwakened]

Does it apply to everything a person does and how well that person will do what s/he does, or is it just about certain things?

 

[bilby]

Does it apply to everything a person does and how well that person will do what s/he does, or is it just about certain things?

I only report intelligence regarding officers at Lieutenant Colonel rank or lower, so I am afraid I can't tell you about General intelligence.

And if I did, I would have to kill you.

 

[arkirk]

Does it apply to everything a person does and how well that person will do what s/he does, or is it just about certain things?

I only report intelligence regarding officers at Lieutenant Colonel rank or lower, so I am afraid I can't tell you about General intelligence.

And if I did, I would have to kill you.

That's about how crazy people get about intelligence. They think it is intrinsic smartness and they define it in such a way that makes them rate themselves smart. I want to warn you though. Athena is way above a general...she is a goddess. Idle threats don't scare her at all.

 

[Valjean]

What does general intelligence cover?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Unfortunately it's far from perfect. The problem is that IQ tests only measure the sort of intelligence that can be measured on a test. Abilities which are hard to measure won't be reflected. In general such things tend to correlate with what can be measured but we don't come from cookie cutters, the exact mix varies from person to person and IQ tests will over-rate those whose abilities are more testable and under-rate those whose abilities aren't so testable.

 

[ronburgundy]

General fluid intelligence applies to tasks where one must integrate new information, notice novel patterns in stimuli, and draw reasonable inferences without the benefit of domain specific expertise that might allow one to merely retrieve a learned correct answer from memory.

IOW, it is very general, however, that does not mean that it is the sole or even primary determinant of most cognitive performance. It has to do with how easily one learns given X amount of instruction or exposure, but give a person twice as much exposure and they will learn more than a person with higher general intelligence. Also, the more the task relies upon highly specialized knowledge or execution of physical movements/manipulations, the less influence general intelligence has.

 

[Duke Leto]

One Star, bit of a washout and a disgrace to the service.

General Quarters and General Education are both Three Star, while General Hospital is actually only a Brevet. General Mills and General Motors were only promoted to Brigadier after they were cashiered out.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

General fluid intelligence applies to tasks where one must integrate new information, notice novel patterns in stimuli, and draw reasonable inferences without the benefit of domain specific expertise that might allow one to merely retrieve a learned correct answer from memory.

IOW, it is very general, however, that does not mean that it is the sole or even primary determinant of most cognitive performance. It has to do with how easily one learns given X amount of instruction or exposure, but give a person twice as much exposure and they will learn more than a person with higher general intelligence. Also, the more the task relies upon highly specialized knowledge or execution of physical movements/manipulations, the less influence general intelligence has.

Examples please.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

General fluid intelligence applies to tasks where one must integrate new information, notice novel patterns in stimuli, and draw reasonable inferences without the benefit of domain specific expertise that might allow one to merely retrieve a learned correct answer from memory.

IOW, it is very general, however, that does not mean that it is the sole or even primary determinant of most cognitive performance. It has to do with how easily one learns given X amount of instruction or exposure, but give a person twice as much exposure and they will learn more than a person with higher general intelligence. Also, the more the task relies upon highly specialized knowledge or execution of physical movements/manipulations, the less influence general intelligence has.

Examples please.

To at least some degree he's right. In most fields intelligence has little to do with job performance but it has a lot to do with gaining the skills needed to do the job in the first place. (Some fields actually require innovation on a day-to-day basis but in most cases you're simply applying the knowledge you already have. In safety-critical fields you might almost never need to innovate but the ability to do so is important anyway because the shit sometimes hit the fan and failing to deal with it means people die. Sullenberger needed to very quickly reach the conclusion that the best course of action was to sacrifice the plane {committing to a course of action certain to result in the loss of the airframe} in order to maximize passenger survival.)

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Examples please.

To at least some degree he's right. In most fields intelligence has little to do with job performance but it has a lot to do with gaining the skills needed to do the job in the first place. (Some fields actually require innovation on a day-to-day basis but in most cases you're simply applying the knowledge you already have. In safety-critical fields you might almost never need to innovate but the ability to do so is important anyway because the shit sometimes hit the fan and failing to deal with it means people die. Sullenberger needed to very quickly reach the conclusion that the best course of action was to sacrifice the plane {committing to a course of action certain to result in the loss of the airframe} in order to maximize passenger survival.)

You don't have any examples i.e. named occupations, vocations, hobbies, etc.?

 

[gmbteach]

To at least some degree he's right. In most fields intelligence has little to do with job performance but it has a lot to do with gaining the skills needed to do the job in the first place. (Some fields actually require innovation on a day-to-day basis but in most cases you're simply applying the knowledge you already have. In safety-critical fields you might almost never need to innovate but the ability to do so is important anyway because the shit sometimes hit the fan and failing to deal with it means people die. Sullenberger needed to very quickly reach the conclusion that the best course of action was to sacrifice the plane {committing to a course of action certain to result in the loss of the airframe} in order to maximize passenger survival.)

You don't have any examples i.e. named occupations, vocations, hobbies, etc.?

Please tell me if I am off-base here, but would intellectually impaired persons working in a furniture factory, or stacking shelves in a supermarket qualify as an example where intelligence is not necessarily required, though the ability to learn a set of repetitive skills is?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

You don't have any examples i.e. named occupations, vocations, hobbies, etc.?

Please tell me if I am off-base here, but would intellectually impaired persons working in a furniture factory, or stacking shelves in a supermarket qualify as an example where intelligence is not necessarily required, though the ability to learn a set of repetitive skills is?

What if this fictitious person is also a virtuoso pianist?
 Savant syndrome

 

[Valjean]

Standard IQ tests traditionally measured academic ability, but there are other competencies. Musical, mathematical or social intelligence, for examples, don't necessarily correlate with academic 'IQ'.

 

[beero1000]

Correlation is not deterministic. A high general intelligence is not a guarantee of anything.

What is incontrovertible is that people who are good at one type of cognitive task are more likely to be good at other types of cognitive tasks. The underlying statistical factor is what is denoted g, or general intelligence.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Correlation is not deterministic. A high general intelligence is not a guarantee of anything.

What is incontrovertible is that people who are good at one type of cognitive task are more likely to be good at other types of cognitive tasks. The underlying statistical factor is what is denoted g, or general intelligence.

Such as?

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Standard IQ tests traditionally measured academic ability, but there are other competencies. Musical, mathematical or social intelligence, for examples, don't necessarily correlate with academic 'IQ'.

Mathematical competency isn't Academic?

 

[Valjean]

Somehow I can't see Raymond from Rain Man applying to MIT.

 

[Togo]

I don't believe that general intelligence, or g, has ever been a coherent concept, except as a purely statistical artefact.

IQ is an attempt to measure as many difference kinds of mental task as possible, in a balanced way. Different people are better or worse at different tasks. You can attempt to statistically combine these into a single IQ score, but it doesn't follow from that that there is a single ability or capacity or phenomenon behind that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Standard IQ tests traditionally measured academic ability, but there are other competencies. Musical, mathematical or social intelligence, for examples, don't necessarily correlate with academic 'IQ'.

I would think mathematical would correlate well.

The problem is IQ tests only measure skills which can be tested in a simple environment. An IQ test has no problem with 2+2 but would be hard pressed to measure abilities that lack good yardsticks. How do you measure musical intelligence????

 

[ronburgundy]

General fluid intelligence applies to tasks where one must integrate new information, notice novel patterns in stimuli, and draw reasonable inferences without the benefit of domain specific expertise that might allow one to merely retrieve a learned correct answer from memory.

IOW, it is very general, however, that does not mean that it is the sole or even primary determinant of most cognitive performance. It has to do with how easily one learns given X amount of instruction or exposure, but give a person twice as much exposure and they will learn more than a person with higher general intelligence. Also, the more the task relies upon highly specialized knowledge or execution of physical movements/manipulations, the less influence general intelligence has.

Examples please.

You're going to have to do a couple of seconds of thinking for yourself. You should be able to think of tasks that require inferences and problem solving in contrast to those that require repetitive physical procedures. I'll get you started: Engineering new safe and efficient assembly line machinery is more impacted by intelligence than the task of operating that machinery in the manner one is instructed to by the engineers. But even the line worker would be aided by their intelligence if something novel and unexpected happens and they have to solve the problem.

 

[Rhea]

General fluid intelligence applies to tasks where one must integrate new information, notice novel patterns in stimuli, and draw reasonable inferences without the benefit of domain specific expertise that might allow one to merely retrieve a learned correct answer from memory.

IOW, it is very general, however, that does not mean that it is the sole or even primary determinant of most cognitive performance. It has to do with how easily one learns given X amount of instruction or exposure, but give a person twice as much exposure and they will learn more than a person with higher general intelligence. Also, the more the task relies upon highly specialized knowledge or execution of physical movements/manipulations, the less influence general intelligence has.

Examples please.

I found this to be a fairly good definition of what I understood "general intelligence" to be.

The examples that come to my mind are performance of tasks (even fabulously) versus integrating novel information.
An athletic analogue might be the ability to shoot free-throws spectacularly versus the ability to do them when facing 5 opponents who are trying various ways to stop you.
A scientific analogue might be excruciating precision in finding DNA matches or Spectrum matches versus putting together a forensic picture of many clues.
And mechanical example might be testing and swapping parts methodically to make an engine run versus diagnosing it by rapid recognition of the interplay of symptoms.
An engineering example might be designing a thing to do an exact function versus finding a way to make standard and inexpensive parts perform the same function as a system.
A writing example might be expert editing skills that reliably find and correct misuses of language versus authoring a poem that evokes complex and nuanced messages with economy.

I don't know if any of these are official, but it is what I think of when I consider the word "intelligence;" the ability figure things out and make connections that are more useful than the original parts. To create new and novel connections.