I have now met a real life creationist.

[DrZoidberg]

Ha ha... could be. This is a collectivist culture (as opposed to individualistic). Swedes get easily offended when people don't submit to norms. Stuff like belief in evolution. No, it's not a trait to be proud of. It's like this in all of Scandinavia. It's not like it's a big secret. We even have a word for it, "Jante".

"Jante" is not about konformism. It's about perceived hybris. And no, its is not a specific scandinavian trait.

I don't agree. I think it's connected. As is our love of welfare. This is a society very geared toward

1) pulling down overly successful people.
2) but also raising less successful people

I think they're essentially the same thing. The other side of "jante" I guess. Which is a facet of Scandinavian thought that I like

 

[Kosh]

The knock on the door today was from the guy from the church across the street
He invited me to attend a barbecue they were having
I didn't go, but did go to my vehicle and I think they noticed
I didn't want to tell them I'm ignostic and have to explain the universe to them

Please explain this to someone who doesn't really understand religion. It was a barbecue. Your neighbors invited you to a barbecue. To an atheist a church is just any old building. How does religion enter into this at all? Wasn't it just that you didn't like them?

Likely there would have been an overwhelming number of "praise the lords" being slung about ?

Personally , I can only take so much of that!

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Please explain this to someone who doesn't really understand religion. It was a barbecue. Your neighbors invited you to a barbecue. To an atheist a church is just any old building. How does religion enter into this at all? Wasn't it just that you didn't like them?

Likely there would have been an overwhelming number of "praise the lords" being slung about ?

Personally , I can only take so much of that!

Had that been the case you missed a golden opportunity to deprovincialize a bit of humanity.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Please explain this to someone who doesn't really understand religion. It was a barbecue. Your neighbors invited you to a barbecue. To an atheist a church is just any old building. How does religion enter into this at all? Wasn't it just that you didn't like them?

But it's not just a barbecue.
It's more like going to a time-share membership drive.

At least, that's the expectation I have, after having been to a number of church-centered events.
We were invited to a party for members of my wife's church choir. I accidentally came across a piece of paper list of those invitees who were not known to be practicing Catholics. There was a list of guests, status (including lapsed, protestant and unsure), and choir names assigned to hem. One of them just happened to bump into me and asked if I'd been raised in The Faith.

Also been invited to spontaneously convert to LDS at a cousin's kid's Eagle Scout ceremony.

And even been braced to identify my faith at a pancake breakfast the parents put on for kids at the day care ours attended. "Dude, I'm just here to clean the plates."

MAYBE they really do just want to be friendly. But then again, MAYBE the used car dealer is giving away trips to Rio just because he's feeling neighborly.

 

[Kosh]

But it's not just a barbecue.
It's more like going to a time-share membership drive.

LOL

Like one of chiropractor "patient appreciation" dinners?

And what if one of them does Amway?

 

[none]

The knock on the door today was from the guy from the church across the street
He invited me to attend a barbecue they were having
I didn't go, but did go to my vehicle and I think they noticed
I didn't want to tell them I'm ignostic and have to explain the universe to them

Please explain this to someone who doesn't really understand religion. It was a barbecue. Your neighbors invited you to a barbecue. To an atheist a church is just any old building. How does religion enter into this at all? Wasn't it just that you didn't like them?

It may have been called a barbecue but really is a trap to proselytize
I'm just not interested in watching people high five each other proclaiming Jesus when I'm trying to eat

 

[Kosh]

Please explain this to someone who doesn't really understand religion. It was a barbecue. Your neighbors invited you to a barbecue. To an atheist a church is just any old building. How does religion enter into this at all? Wasn't it just that you didn't like them?

It may have been called a barbecue but really is a trap to proselytize
I'm just not interested in watching people high five each other proclaiming Jesus when I'm trying to eat

If it makes you feel any better, our neighborhood Jesus nut ("Jesus gave my wife cancer because we weren't sharing the gospel enough, but he'll cure her now ....my wife died but it wasn't in gods plan to cure her") won't come to my football game parties either.

 

[none]

I have rehearsed saying "I don't church hop, I'm not a church hooper" as a deterrent

 

[Keith&Co.]

And what if one of them does Amway?

I had relatives that sold Amway, but not in concert with their spreading the word.

On the other hand, Mom reportedly stormed out of a Tupperware party where connected 'saving' to 'salvation.'

 

[Angry Floof]

And what if one of them does Amway?

I had relatives that sold Amway, but not in concert with their spreading the word.

On the other hand, Mom reportedly stormed out of a Tupperware party where connected 'saving' to 'salvation.'

And one day, my Jesus will return, and take me in his arms, and then place me lovingly into a Tupperware container for all eternity.

 

[Kosh]

I had relatives that sold Amway, but not in concert with their spreading the word.

On the other hand, Mom reportedly stormed out of a Tupperware party where connected 'saving' to 'salvation.'

And one day, my Jesus will return, and take me in his arms, and then place me lovingly into a Tupperware container for all eternity.

Isn't there something about a great seal in the bible?

And of course they sealed the tomb!!!!

 

[DrZoidberg]

And one day, my Jesus will return, and take me in his arms, and then place me lovingly into a Tupperware container for all eternity.

Isn't there something about a great seal in the bible?

And of course they sealed the tomb!!!!

Perhaps Jesus didn't rise from the dead. He just kept really well.

 

[Underseer]

We have only circumstantial evidence that Jesus was real at all.

We have no evidence that he was crucified (unless you count the Josephus account, but he was only reporting what Christians believe).

We have no evidence that there was a tomb. In fact, it is hard to believe that there was a tomb at all given that the Romans preferred to leave crucified corpses up on those crosses to be picked at by crows as a warning to others.

We have no evidence of the resurrection.

Why is this even a topic? Oh, right. Because Christians need to believe it is true or else their religious truth claims fall apart. So other than an appeal to consequence fallacy, what do we have supporting this claim?

 

[Kosh]

We have only circumstantial evidence that Jesus was real at all.

We have no evidence that he was crucified (unless you count the Josephus account, but he was only reporting what Christians believe).

We have no evidence that there was a tomb. In fact, it is hard to believe that there was a tomb at all given that the Romans preferred to leave crucified corpses up on those crosses to be picked at by crows as a warning to others.

We have no evidence of the resurrection.

Why is this even a topic? Oh, right. Because Christians need to believe it is true or else their religious truth claims fall apart. So other than an appeal to consequence fallacy, what do we have supporting this claim?

Have you seen Carriers YouTube lecture(s) on Jesus mythology?

He doesn't leave much for them to claim.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Look! Jesus was real, he died, came back for a moment, but then left again and hasn't been seen since. You can't dispute that. Not at all. It is in a book!

There was a tomb and a big boulder blocking it and guards! Or maybe just guards or possibly just the boulder. But that boulder may or may not have moved! And the tomb was empty and an angel was there and asked them 'Why do you seek the dead among the not as dead?'

It's in a book!!!

 

[Potoooooooo]

There's no doubt she will still demonize you. Asking you what you believe was merely a formality for the purpose of appearing to be reasonable.



This gave me a good laugh this morning.

I doubt it, considering everybody she'll ever meet here is:
1) very likely atheist
And
2) almost certainly believes in evolution.

Since Sweden quite obviously isn't a wasteland of evil any arguments that lack of religion leads to evil is pretty dead in the water these parts.

We just don't have creationists really. Nobody here becomes a creationist out of ignorance. It's more like picking a political ideology that you are 100% sure will annoy everybody.

She also said she was a "anti-feminist". We hardly have those either. People here (even men) are feminists to varying degree. It's rare to find anybody who is just dead set against it. Especially a woman.

I think she was just trying way too hard to be interesting.

That sounds heavenly. I live in the American South and in my town you can almost count on most of the people you meet being creationist
I learned long ago to always even mentioning evolution.
many times I have heard people saying things along the lines of "Wow that monkey looks almost humans, not they they are really related to us of course"
I recently had a co-worker that got upset that Happy Feet 2 mentioned evolution (and it was only mentioned once in the movie)

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

That sounds heavenly. I live in the American South and in my town you can almost count on most of the people you meet being creationist
I learned long ago to always even mentioning evolution.
many times I have heard people saying things along the lines of "Wow that monkey looks almost humans, not they they are really related to us of course"
I recently had a co-worker that got upset that Happy Feet 2 mentioned evolution (and it was only mentioned once in the movie)

Much easier to believe in abracadabra and magic and religion than to gain the knowledge it takes to understand the age of the earth and evolution. So the phenomenon is understandable.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Still my favorite question: "If we were made from dust, why is there still dust??"

 

[Kosh]

If you want to be entertained/depressed, just go look at the postings of Ken Hams followers in Facebook ....

You get these clearly uneducated morons spouting "there is no evidence" and "go research on AIG..."

I wish I wasn't so honest, good money to made off them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If you want to be entertained/depressed, just go look at the postings of Ken Hams followers in Facebook ....

You get these clearly uneducated morons spouting "there is no evidence" and "go research on AIG..."

Oh, how I liked calling AiG "AIG" instead to piss off that AiG guy at TWeb.

I wish I wasn't so honest, good money to made off them.

There seems to be no end to the amount people are willing to throw away.