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I have now met a real life creationist.

“. . .He that is walking with wise persons will become wise, but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.” (Proverbs 13:20)
You know, bilby, if I had a superstition that said I should not talk with stupid people, I think I would probably not take the time to explain to the stupid people why it's bad to talk to stupid people.

Kinda like making a post for the express purpose of telling someone you're ignoring them: posturing, affectation, self-important, but ultimately showing a total lack of actual respect for that superstition, what?

I forgot…is the volleyball not talking to you either?

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Yeah, people who don’t know me from a hole in the ground, explaining to me what my motivations are, pretty much puts them in my “Fuck em” list…
 

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Profanity should be expected of those who do not accept the arbitrary and unfounded distinction between the profane and the divine.

Ignorance should be expected of those who refuse to listen to good sense on flimsy pretexts.

Research into the use of "bad" language suggests that it is more frequently used by the intelligent and knowledgeable; Probably because they have to tolerate so many ignorant fuckwits.

It is neither indicative of lack of control, nor of lack of education. But it is rather a neat excuse to control the ignorant masses; What Terry Pratchett called 'the whips of the mind'. You are enslaved by the ideas that have been hammered into you from early childhood, and not only are you unable to escape, you are complicit in your own imprisonment. I feel very sorry for you.
“. . .He that is (skip)
Your favourite book of tall tails does not impress me any more than my choice of shocking vocabulary impresses you.
You are a backbiter !
Def: "This is a rendering of the Greek term ka·ta·la·li·aʹ. The related verb ka·ta·la·leʹo literally means “speak against,” doing so without justification and usually in a malicious or hostile manner. (1Pe 2:12; 3:16) This an expression associated with wrongful judging or condemning, thus conveying the sense of unjustifiably censuring." (Insight vol.-1 p. 241)
OK, if you say so. Labeling someone is, after all, a very good way of avoiding having to address what they are saying.
You should uplift you mind
Why? I am very happy with my mind where it is. It needs no further uplifting; And if it did, vacuous platitudes wouldn't be fit for the job.
by trying to deal with these:
What other book can cause an honest human to see himself as he really is - weaknesses, faults, strengths, hypocrisies, deviousness - warts and all? What other book can give an entire world of humanity a genuine hope for the future? What other book, if followed, can rid the world of war, violence, strife, contentiousness, hatred, envy, greed and deceit?
Pretty much anything by Terry Pratchett, for starters. He is really good at highlighting the flaws and weaknesses of humanity, in an upbeat and humorous way that leaves one with a feeling that there is hope for us to improve. I can recommend Small Gods as an excellent entry point into his most famous collection of novels; Or if that's too highbrow for you, the Bromiliad trilogy is superb - start with Truckers.
If you think these statements are wrong, then show us why.
Oh, a rhetorical question, was it?

See above for a few suggestions for other books that (unlike your Bible) achieve the claimed result.

You should definitely read Small Gods.
Feeling sorry for me is an act of judgment coming from a person with lofty eyes.
Yup. I am not one for false humility; It is very, very clear that you are not only less well educated than I, but that you are proud of it, and cling to your ignorance with a stubbornness that totally justifies my looking down on you.
Don't feel sorry for people whose circumstances you are ignorant of. They may be far happier that you can ever hope to be.
Maybe. Some guy lying in a shop doorway, off his head on hard drugs, is probably far happier in that instant, than I have ever been - there's a reason why people take (and get addicted to) drugs, after all.

That doesn't stop me from feeling sorry for him.

That you are so happy with your incredibly limited world-view is another reason for my pity; It's like talking to a man who has been in jail his whole life, who is ever-so pleased that he doesn't have to work for a living, and who reacts with pure fear to the idea of being released.
 
I can glean the wisdom found in Aesop's Fables without having to believe in talking animals.
Give us an example of wisdom from Aesop.

Trump:

"THE FROGS were living as happy as could be in a marshy swamp that just suited them; they went splashing about caring for nobody and nobody troubling with them. But some of them thought that this was not right, that they should have a king and a proper constitution, so they determined to send up a petition to Jove to give them what they wanted. “Mighty Jove,” they cried, “send unto us a king that will rule over us and keep us in order.” Jove laughed at their croaking, and threw down into the swamp a huge Log, which came down—kerplash—into the swamp. The Frogs were frightened out of their lives by the commotion made in their midst, and all rushed to the bank to look at the horrible monster; but after a time, seeing that it did not move, one or two of the boldest of them ventured out towards the Log, and even dared to touch it; still it did not move. Then the greatest hero of the Frogs jumped upon the Log and commenced dancing up and down upon it, thereupon all the Frogs came and did the same; and for some time the Frygs went about their business every day without taking the slightest notice of their new King Log lying in their midst. But this did not suit them, so they sent another petition to Jove, and said to him, “We want a real king; one that will really rule over us.” Now this made Jove angry, so he sent among them a big Stork that soon set to work gobbling them all up. Then the Frogs repented when too late."​
 
nothingness...

Yup, that's what you god-hating atheists get if you're lucky. Otherwise BURN IN HELL!
It's not too late, Blastula - you can repent today, give money to a church tomorrow and enjoy eternal bliss insurance for a week. If you don't die by then you have to give more money. But wouldn't it be worth it? </Pascal>
 
Give us an example of wisdom from Aesop.
Trump:

"THE FROGS were living as happy as could be in a marshy swamp that just suited them; they went splashing about caring for nobody and nobody troubling with them. But some of them thought that this was not right, that they should have a king and a proper constitution, so they determined to send up a petition to Jove to give them what they wanted. “Mighty Jove,” they cried, “send unto us a king that will rule over us and keep us in order.” Jove laughed at their croaking, and threw down into the swamp a huge Log, which came down—kerplash—into the swamp. The Frogs were frightened out of their lives by the commotion made in their midst, and all rushed to the bank to look at the horrible monster; but after a time, seeing that it did not move, one or two of the boldest of them ventured out towards the Log, and even dared to touch it; still it did not move. Then the greatest hero of the Frogs jumped upon the Log and commenced dancing up and down upon it, thereupon all the Frogs came and did the same; and for some time the Frygs went about their business every day without taking the slightest notice of their new King Log lying in their midst. But this did not suit them, so they sent another petition to Jove, and said to him, “We want a real king; one that will really rule over us.” Now this made Jove angry, so he sent among them a big Stork that soon set to work gobbling them all up. Then the Frogs repented when too late."​
Wisdom is "the ability to use knowledge and understanding successfully to solve problems, avoid or avert dangers, attain certain goals, or counsel others in doing so. It is the opposite of foolishness, stupidity, and madness, with which it is often contrasted.......Wisdom implies a breadth of knowledge and a depth of understanding, these giving the soundness and clarity of judgment characteristic of wisdom." (Insight vol. 2 p. 1189)

Where's the wisdom?
 
Fair enough point of view. So what do you call the equivalent for the Intelligent design camp?

There's a difference? ID is just changing the labels without changing the contents.

Intelligent design is also an oxymoron, since whatever "designed" us clearly was an idiot. Just as idiot with a lot of time on its hands.

God is a non-answer. What is interesting isn't what did it. But how it did it. How would omnipotence work scientifically?
Perhaps impossible although 'luck and chance' should be a non-answer being that everything 'always' abides by the universal laws, impossible to reproduce let alone monitor scientifically but you can of course think it as an idea. Where could one find a patch in our universe to demonstrate this- where there are no laws (if such a thing were to exist)?

But Christians believe that God was assembled through luck and chance. What could possibly be more improbably than an omnipotent and omniscient agent assembling itself randomly? Golly that was a lucky coincidence!
 
There's a difference? ID is just changing the labels without changing the contents.

Intelligent design is also an oxymoron, since whatever "designed" us clearly was an idiot. Just as idiot with a lot of time on its hands.
I was just curious as to what word other than 'magic' used for theists, you would use for the IDers. I assume you would have used 'fantasy'.



But Christians believe that God was assembled through luck and chance. What could possibly be more improbably than an omnipotent and omniscient agent assembling itself randomly? Golly that was a lucky coincidence!
Well this would be similar to the idea that aliens advanced by eons that could have come to earth and created humans. Dawkins and other scientists I believe are opened to this oddly enough - just as long as its not the Christian God of course.
 
Which circles us back to why. Why do those observations show that a conscious designer is required? You haven't presented any arguments. There have just been assertions from both you and wilson about this.

Why circle back ? We have an argument however you look at it that "nature" is a 'clockwork' mechanised system. Observed it looks like one and acts like one , mirrored by our own understanding of our own works.
 
Which circles us back to why. Why do those observations show that a conscious designer is required? You haven't presented any arguments. There have just been assertions from both you and wilson about this.

Why circle back ? We have an argument that "nature" is a 'clockwork' mechanised system. Observed it looks like one and acts like one.

That's not an argument. What's your argument for why regularity in nature requires a conscious designer?
 
Because?

Try to answer without merely restating the assertion.
 
We've never gotten anywhere. You're confusing assertion with argument.
 
"nature" is a 'clockwork' mechanised system. Observed it looks like one and acts like one, mirrored by our own understanding of our own works.

I think its a fair proposition as an alternative doesn't exist or has never existed let alone to compare to. Unless you know something we don't.
 
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