Idaho Racist Attacks Refugee Families

[Trausti]

9 hurt, 4 critically, as man stabs refugee families at Boise low-income apartments

Refugee families at a low-income apartment complex were attacked Saturday night by a man who stabbed nine people — more than any other attack in Boise's history, police said. Four of them suffered injuries that police called life-threatening.

A 30-year-old man was quickly taken into custody at gunpoint, police said. All of the victims were taken to a hospital.

Damn those people in Idaho. Yeah know, those people. Hope they catch that bigot.

 

[laughing dog]

Poor Trausti.

 

[Underseer]

Gosh it's almost as if racist white conservatives are terrorists or something.

 

[WAB]

Seems to me that Trausti is imitating a certain user's posting style here. The point isn't lost if you choose to be objective.

Anyone interested in venturing an opinion as to whether the attacker was motivated by bigotry, or maybe just extreme anger and indignity over being asked to leave his apartment?

Or is such a discussion off limits, due to the attacker being non-white?

 

[laughing dog]

Seems to me that Trausti is imitating a certain user's posting style here. The point isn't lost if you choose to be objective.

The point was not lost. Of course, unless there is a history in the US of this type of violence based on race, there imitation seems less convincing. Add in Trausti's posting history, an objective observer concludes the imitation is unconvincing.

Anyone interested in venturing an opinion as to whether the attacker was motivated by bigotry, or maybe just extreme anger and indignity over being asked to leave his apartment?

At this point, there is not enough information.

Or is such a discussion off limits, due to the attacker being non-white?

Don't share your password.

 

[Trausti]

Seems to me that Trausti is imitating a certain user's posting style here. The point isn't lost if you choose to be objective.

Anyone interested in venturing an opinion as to whether the attacker was motivated by bigotry, or maybe just extreme anger and indignity over being asked to leave his apartment?

Or is such a discussion off limits, due to the attacker being non-white?

As you can see by the posts from our resident social justice jihadis, yes.

 

[Underseer]

The point was not lost. Of course, unless there is a history in the US of this type of violence based on race, there imitation seems less convincing. Add in Trausti's posting history, an objective observer concludes the imitation is unconvincing.
At this point, there is not enough information.

Or is such a discussion off limits, due to the attacker being non-white?

Don't share your password.

Yes, but if you assume all accusations of racism against white people are invalid and all accusations of anti-white racism are valid, then the argument is completely reasonable.

 

[WAB]

The point was not lost. Of course, unless there is a history in the US of this type of violence based on race, there imitation seems less convincing. Add in Trausti's posting history, an objective observer concludes the imitation is unconvincing.
At this point, there is not enough information.

Or is such a discussion off limits, due to the attacker being non-white?

Don't share your password.

Yes, but if you assume all accusations of racism against white people are invalid and all accusations of anti-white racism are valid, then the argument is completely reasonable.

What in the world makes you think I assume that ALL accusations of racism against white people are invalid??? (One would have to be a complete ignoramus to assume that.) Or that ALL accusations of anti-white racism are valid?? (One would have to an ignoramus to assume that, too).

You seem to have forgotten our PM exchange where I told you how much I despised racism because I grew up around it? Do you not believe me now?

I've been at this forum since 2004 - and nowhere at any time have I demonstrated anything remotely racist, and if I have please find it, so we can discuss it.

 

[Underseer]

Yes, but if you assume all accusations of racism against white people are invalid and all accusations of anti-white racism are valid, then the argument is completely reasonable.

What in the world makes you think I assume that ALL accusations of racism against white people are invalid??? (One would have to be a complete ignoramus to assume that.) Or that ALL accusations of anti-white racism are valid?? (One would have to an ignoramus to assume that, too).

You seem to have forgotten our PM exchange where I told you how much I despised racism because I grew up around it? Do you not believe me now?

I've been at this forum since 2004 - and nowhere at any time have I demonstrated anything remotely racist, and if I have please find it, so we can discuss it.

I was speaking in general, not necessarily at you personally.

This whole conversation is bizarre.

I admit that I missed the sarcasm of the original post. i can own that.

But the thread I made that triggered Trausti was one in which I made fun of the fact that people would take offense at the fact that I was characterizing that murder as racist. A man was convicted of murdering someone with racist motives and he admitted to racist motives, and yet it was still unreasonable of me to find that racist, such that Trausti was so triggered that he felt the need to start this entire thread to complain about the fact that I found that murder in the other thread to be racist.

In other words, Trausti is giving us an example of exactly the thing that I was making fun of in the other thread.

It wasn't so much you as Trausti, who started this thread in the first place.

If it was unreasonable of me to find the man in that other thread racist even when he was convicted of a racially motivated murder and even joked about the racial motivation for the murder, then when can we call something racist at all? If that wasn't an example of racism, what is?

I'm getting sick and tired of having to constantly dance around the delicate fragile feelings of white people who get triggered every time anyone dares to complain about racism, even when it's completely blatant as it can possibly be.

And the kicker is, they accuse me of being overly sensitive. Even after this incredibly display Trausti did by starting this thread, I'm the one being overly sensitive about things.

 

[WAB]

If I may just say:

I don't think it's unreasonable of you or anyone to be upset and angry at expressions and acts of racism.

Also, my memory is shot, so it's awfully hard for me to follow the posts of specific people, how they post, and the dynamics of what goes on in all of these threads.

I meant no offense at all.

But reality is what it is. White people are not special. Given the current political climate, they will tend to bristle at constant accusations of racism and feelings of supremacy. As for those who really are racist: fire away! They deserve all the heat you can bring.

 

[Mumbles]

9 hurt, 4 critically, as man stabs refugee families at Boise low-income apartments

Refugee families at a low-income apartment complex were attacked Saturday night by a man who stabbed nine people — more than any other attack in Boise's history, police said. Four of them suffered injuries that police called life-threatening.

A 30-year-old man was quickly taken into custody at gunpoint, police said. All of the victims were taken to a hospital.

Damn those people in Idaho. Yeah know, those people. Hope they catch that bigot.

Um...but they did catch "that bigot". And he's almost certainly going to get the book thrown at him.

Yay!

Also, I agree with Underseer that this has nothing at all to do with any other case. If dude says "Yeah, I hate immigrants, that's why I killed them", then toss in a hate crime charge as well. Same as with this guy.

(I seriously have no idea why people keep trying to push this "Oh yeah?" junk. "Well, what about these black kids who attacked an old white lady and called her a cracker, why aren't they marching about that?" complete with a link about how they were denied bail and charged with a litany of crimes, unlike killer cops or George Zimmerman. "Well, one of the cops that killed Freddie Grey was black, is he a racist!?" Yep. These really aren't difficult.)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The point was not lost. Of course, unless there is a history in the US of this type of violence based on race, there imitation seems less convincing. Add in Trausti's posting history, an objective observer concludes the imitation is unconvincing.
At this point, there is not enough information.

Or is such a discussion off limits, due to the attacker being non-white?

Don't share your password.

Yes, but if you assume all accusations of racism against white people are invalid and all accusations of anti-white racism are valid, then the argument is completely reasonable.

I thought there were already lots of people angry about black violence. That was the whole point of Underseer's posts regarding white related violence.

 

[southernhybrid]

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/07/02/us/ap-us-mass-stabbing-idaho-the-latest.html

Timmy Kinner is charged with the stabbing. Police say they believe Kinner may have been trying to get revenge for being asked to leave the apartment complex over bad behavior.

This forum is really going down hill. If people would actually look for what might be the cause of some of these attacks, that would help

Apparently, this man was taken in by a woman, but she kicked him out for his bad behavior. Another article I read said that he might have been trying to take out his revenge on her but she wasn't home at the time, so he started randomly stabbing people. There is no evidence that his horrific actions had anything to do with race, ethnicity or fear or hatred toward immigrants.

But, there are plenty of times when the evidence is strong that a violent act was influenced by racial or ethnic hatred, or a political view held by the person doing the attacking or the people who were attacked.

And, if you're interested in hate groups, there are two known black hate groups and about forty, ( I don't remember the exact number ), known white hate groups in the US, so racially motivated hatred is much more common coming from white people than it is from black people. Those are just facts.

 

[Derec]

Poor Trausti.

You can't even come up with your own goading any more?

 

[Derec]

This forum is really going down hill. If people would actually look for what might be the cause of some of these attacks, that would help

I think that was the point made by Trausti. If the perp was white, the likes of Under and laughing would quickly open threads blaming "white supremacy", "alt right", and Trump's Travel Ban regardless of what the actual motive might have been. See the landscaping thread where a racist motive was alleged just because the teenager whom the homeowner wanted to "get off her lawn" happened to be black.

And, if you're interested in hate groups, there are two known black hate groups and about forty, ( I don't remember the exact number ), known white hate groups in the US, so racially motivated hatred is much more common coming from white people than it is from black people. Those are just facts.

Not really true. Racially motivated hatred coming from white people is not socially acceptable, and perpetrators get shunned by society. Not so the black racists who spread hate. In Atlanta there is a CBS-owned black "news and talk" radio station (WAOK 1380) where hosts (especially F. Keith Slaughter, the morning guy) routinely spew racist hatred against whites and are still employed. Slaughter even invented his own racist slur against whites. He calls us "refrigerators".

And in fact, the societal blind spot for black racism is so strong that Obama could be seen and photographed with anti-Semite and racist Louis Farrakhan in 2005, after he gained national exposure due to his convention speech.

Imagine Congressional Republicans taking a photo with David Duke?

And some of the Women's March organizers are involved in Farakkan's organization as well.
The Women's March Has a Farrakhan Problem

As to the number of hate groups, first there are more whites than blacks in this country and second, I very much doubt there are only two black hate groups. Even SPLC identifies 233 "black nationalist" groups in the US (that includes local chapters, not unique groups) and only 100 "white nationalist" ones.

 

[laughing dog]

Poor Trausti.

You can't even come up with your own goading any more?

Poor Derec.

 

[Derec]

Poor Trausti.

You can't even come up with your own goading any more?

Poor Derec.

So the answer is, you can't.

 

[laughing dog]

Poor Derec.

So the answer is, you can't.

Projection is narcissism not analysis. It is obviously sympathy for a snowflake.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

See the landscaping thread where a racist motive was alleged just because the teenager whom the homeowner wanted to "get off her lawn" happened to be black.

Actually what I wrote was that there likely would be disparate outcomes by race in a generally similar situation, like for example 9 out of 10 times "or whatever" a white kid might not have police called on them. In some situation that could be due to race, to socio-economic status, to crime rates in the neighborhood as well as other factors...who knows. What then transpired was that my mere mention of disparate outcomes triggered people to accuse me of reverse racism which now grows to this thread...instead of persons correcting themselves, I continue to be personally attacked.

 

[Trausti]

This forum is really going down hill. If people would actually look for what might be the cause of some of these attacks, that would help

I think that was the point made by Trausti. If the perp was white, the likes of Under and laughing would quickly open threads blaming "white supremacy", "alt right", and Trump's Travel Ban regardless of what the actual motive might have been.

Thought it was obvious that this is exactly what I was doing. I find the hypocrisy and double standards by our resident moral busybodies to be funny.