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I don't remember seeing this posted here before.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/

Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

Nope, nothing out of line there.

And you don’t have to submit to an illegal stop or search. You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there’s no warrant (though a pat-down is still allowed if there is cause for suspicion). Always ask the officer whether you are under detention or are free to leave. Unless the officer has a legal basis to stop and search you, he or she must let you go.

So his advice after telling you not to argue with the police is to assert your rights. Ok, I'm sure that's always a winning strategy and won't be taken by the officer as a threat to his authority.

Finally, cops are legally prohibited from using excessive force: The moment a suspect submits and stops resisting, the officers must cease use of force.

Uh huh.

We have a justice system in which you are presumed innocent; if a cop can do his or her job unmolested, that system can run its course. Later, you can ask for a supervisor, lodge a complaint or contact civil rights organizations if you believe your rights were violated. Feel free to sue the police! Just don’t challenge a cop during a stop.

Because officers and prosecutors will be sure to investigate your complaints to the best of their ability instead of trying to help their brother officer cover his ass.

eta: and when did the Washington Post become ThoughtCatalog?
 
Sunil Dutta said:
This'll go easier if you don't fight back sweetie

Verbal abuse never justifies violence, and any police officer proffering an opinion like Dutta's should be fired.
 
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"cop" writes:
Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

and it makes my stomach churn. As a middle-aged white woman, I grew up with the "Officer Friendly" model, and most of my personal encounters with police officers have been positive or, at least, neutral. Most of my encounters with police have also been when they were being civilians themselves - home buyers, Girl Scout leaders, neighbors, etc - which creates a very different dynamic. My point being that, as individual human beings, nearly every cop I have ever met has been a wonderful, caring person.

But in the majority of encounters I've had with police officers in their official capacities, the incidents have been negative. Not negative enough for me to be killed or beaten, but negative. The one in particular that the above quoted passage brings to mind is the day I chaperoned my daughter to her first "festival" style concert. When we arrived, police had everyone queuing based on whether they were carrying a bag or not. I had my bag, my daughter did not. I was very uneasy about being separated from my daughter in the crowd, but I was raised to obey police - just like "cop" above demands we do.

I was able to keep my eye on my daughter in her line as I moved forward in mine all the way to the actual check-point. Even then, I remained calm and as soon as I was past the checkpoint I immediately started searching the other checkpoint lines for my daughter. A cop approached and demanded (not nicely) that I get off the pavement and onto the grassy area. I tried to explain that I was searching for my young daughter still coming through the que, but he refused to listen. He just got more aggressive and loud, and started using his body to force me further into the park. I broke left and went to the grassy area as close to the entrance as I could, still trying to spot my little daughter in the crowd with my fear and anxiety rising rapidly. The cop, instead of being satisfied that I was on the grassy area as he unreasonably demanded, followed me, now screaming at me because the toe of my boot was still on the pavement. He was also purposely using his body to block my view of the extrance.

Why was he doing this? I have absolutely no idea. At no point was I doing anything wrong or illegal. I was simply an increasingly frightened mother looking for her lost daughter. Did I start screaming at this son-of-a-bitch at this point? hell yes. I was screaming at him that my daughter was lost in the crowd and I needed his help to find her. Did he care? No. Instead, he was threatening to arrest me. For what!? For being upset that my daughter was missing? At this point, I truly did lose it as only a fellow parent can understand. I started screaming bloody murder, ran around that asshole and back onto the pavement, screaming to everyone in sight that my daughter was missing and that the cop was blocking me from finding her. The commotion caught the attention of two other cops, one of whom turned out to be a supervisor. The commotion also caught the attention of my daughter who recognized my voice and came towards me. It was a really surreal situation that could have turned very ugly very fast, but the supervisor kept his cool even as the asshole cop was demanding that I be ejected from the concert. Again, I ask... for what?

So when I read what was written by "cop" in the passage I quoted (and the entire article), I know from very personal experience that it is utter bullshit. I think it can be considered a truism that when "civilians" encounter police in their official capacity, it is because there is something gone wrong. Leaving aside "stop and frisk" situations (which are wrong on their face), the public typically encounters a police officer during a traumatic event - after a rape, robbery, accident, mugging, lost child, theft, fight, etc.

I find it interesting that "cop" demands a higher level of self-possession from the untrained public during a crisis than he demands of supposedly trained police officers. And even people who typically remain calm in the face of a crisis can be provoked into a reaction by the behavior of the police - my situation was case in point.

I ultimately did all of these things: "don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me" - and he deserved it. HIS behavior caused it, not mine. My only regret is that I didn't follow through. I was so relieved to have located my daughter, and didn't want to ruin her concert experience, that I didn't bother getting that jerk's name and badge number, didn't follow up the next day to file a formal complaint. I should have, though I knew even then it would not have mattered - he would not have been reprimanded.

But my answer to "cop" is "no". No, I will not agree with nor support your demand that the general public must always ask "how high" to your demands that we jump. We, the general public, are not criminals or "perps". We ARE the people who pay your salary whether you like hearing it or not. We ARE the people you are supposed to be helping and protecting. No, I will not accept your demand that WE watch our tone or our conduct when interacting with you during our times of crisis. It is YOUR job to stay calm, not mine. YOU were trained in crisis management, not me. It was MY daughter that was missing. YOU were supposed to help me. Instead your arrogance and expectation that I ignore the very real crisis of my missing daughter to comply with your unneccessary and ridiculous commands meant that YOU escalated a situation that never should have been escalated. So don't you dare tell me that I am the one that needed to stay calm and cooperative because you demanded it. Who the fuck do you think you are anyway?

And here's the thing... I was raised to respect you, respect your uniform. I, a middle-aged white woman, was raised on the "Officer Friendly" model until you, "cop", destroyed that belief during my moment of crisis.
 
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I would be much more sympathetic to this point of view if American police did not have an institutional culture of "thin blue line" bullshit which enables the psychotic/sadistic ones -- whatever percentage they may be -- to abuse their power without being held accountable. But they do.
 
But in the majority of encounters I've had with police officers in their official capacities, the incidents have been negative.

Despite knowing that cops over here can be huge pricks at times too, it's still weird for me to think that there's a western country where 'Cops are jerks' seems to almost be the standard experience.

I've had a bunch of different run-ins with the cops over my lifetime (none of them serious); and in each one of these cases the cops were at worst professional, and at best downright awesome or hilarious. For example; one time me and a couple of friends, pretty damn drunk, decided that the cafe scene wasn't really our thing. So, at about 3 in the morning, we grabbed our bikes (we're Dutch, bicycles are kind of our thing) and decided to buy beer at an out of the way gas station; which we decided to get to by not only drunkingly taking our bicycles out onto the highway, but on the wrong side of the road too. As luck would have it, it was about 10 seconds after we did so that a cop car passed by. They made us try to walk a straight line and upon determining that we were shitfaced decided to give us an 'escort' home. An escort which consisted of them driving slowly behind us as we drove through the night, casually using their car speakers to inform us how fast (making up the speeds as they did) we were going at regular intervals. After a little while they told us to stay out of trouble and then just drove off.

I've had other encounters with cops; but they've all been pretty much like this: hilarious or just pretty chill. At least back when I was in my late teens and early twenties, the cops had a sense of humor; they weren't paranoid about you being a threat and wouldn't get on your case over minor things. They certainly didn't let their authority get to their head like the cop in your story.
 
American cops seem to fall into three general categories:

Schoolyard Bully/Military Wannabe - Yeah, that guy. Don't point and laugh, he's got a badge now. And a gun.

Captain America - He's out to save the Good Guys and punish the Bad Guys. So long as you're wearing your Good Guy hat, you're golden. Just keep your freak flags well out of sight.

Too Thick To Get A Better Job - 'nuff said.

The thing is, being a cop is only glamorous and interesting on TV. In real life, it's long stretches of tedium punctuated by cheap thrills and occasional pants-shitting terror. Discovering this seems to do something to people's brains, warping them beyond recovery. It's sad, really. Scary, but sad.
 
"cop" writes:
Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

and it makes my stomach churn. As a middle-aged white woman, I grew up with the "Officer Friendly" model, and most of my personal encounters with police officers have been positive or, at least, neutral. Most of my encounters with police have also been when they were being civilians themselves - home buyers, Girl Scout leaders, neighbors, etc - which creates a very different dynamic. My point being that, as individual human beings, nearly every cop I have ever met has been a wonderful, caring person.

But in the majority of encounters I've had with police officers in their official capacities, the incidents have been negative.............
Rules are rules. Police can't make exception because everyone then will want one.
Have you tried to explain that you want your daughter with you in the "bag" line even though she had no bag?
I did not go to concerts but my encounters with police were all good. Even when I run a stop sign.
 
But in the majority of encounters I've had with police officers in their official capacities, the incidents have been negative.

Despite knowing that cops over here can be huge pricks at times too, it's still weird for me to think that there's a western country where 'Cops are jerks' seems to almost be the standard experience.
That is the impression you get from some people. It may be you're not hearing from the vast majority of people who don't announce publically they've had only good or neutral interactions with police. Be ever cautious of warped perception created by selective focus. There are echo-chambers on both sides of this issue in America.
 
"cop" writes:

and it makes my stomach churn. As a middle-aged white woman, I grew up with the "Officer Friendly" model, and most of my personal encounters with police officers have been positive or, at least, neutral. Most of my encounters with police have also been when they were being civilians themselves - home buyers, Girl Scout leaders, neighbors, etc - which creates a very different dynamic. My point being that, as individual human beings, nearly every cop I have ever met has been a wonderful, caring person.

But in the majority of encounters I've had with police officers in their official capacities, the incidents have been negative.............
Rules are rules. Police can't make exception because everyone then will want one.
Have you tried to explain that you want your daughter with you in the "bag" line even though she had no bag?
I did not go to concerts but my encounters with police were all good. Even when I run a stop sign.

Serious? You are seriously trying to use the "rules are rules" line on me? I complied with the rules by allowing my daughter to be separated from me at the que. I didn't ask for any special exceptions. Did you completely ignore that part?

Kindly tell me what "rule" I broke after my daughter went missing, and explain why that rule was more important than the fact that my daughter was missing?
 
Despite knowing that cops over here can be huge pricks at times too, it's still weird for me to think that there's a western country where 'Cops are jerks' seems to almost be the standard experience.
That is the impression you get from some people. It may be you're not hearing from the vast majority of people who don't announce publically they've had only good or neutral interactions with police. Be ever cautious of warped perception created by selective focus. There are echo-chambers on both sides of this issue in America.

Those of us who do not look like "decent Christian white folks" are automatically classified as Bad Guys by way too many cops. If you want to get a taste of what the Other America is experiencing, try looking freaky. Get some piercings, wear weird clothing, look like a freak. You WILL be profiled and abused.

I've been both. When I was a Decent White Christian, the police were my friends. When I am the freaky-deaky musician that I far prefer to be, cops are convinced that I must be the perp.
 
Rules are rules. Police can't make exception because everyone then will want one.
Have you tried to explain that you want your daughter with you in the "bag" line even though she had no bag?
I did not go to concerts but my encounters with police were all good. Even when I run a stop sign.

Serious? You are seriously trying to use the "rules are rules" line on me? I complied with the rules by allowing my daughter to be separated from me at the que.
Well, you should not have let her go into separate line and I am reasonably sure that they would have let you do that.
I didn't ask for any special exceptions. Did you completely ignore that part?
I thought you were disrupting orderly processing of your line by trying to watch your daughter.
As I said you should have taken daughter into your line.
Kindly tell me what "rule" I broke after my daughter went missing, and explain why that rule was more important than the fact that my daughter was missing?
Again, you should have taken daughter into your line.
 
That is the impression you get from some people. It may be you're not hearing from the vast majority of people who don't announce publically they've had only good or neutral interactions with police. Be ever cautious of warped perception created by selective focus. There are echo-chambers on both sides of this issue in America.

Those of us who do not look like "decent Christian white folks" are automatically classified as Bad Guys by way too many cops. If you want to get a taste of what the Other America is experiencing, try looking freaky. Get some piercings, wear weird clothing, look like a freak. You WILL be profiled and abused.

I've been both. When I was a Decent White Christian, the police were my friends. When I am the freaky-deaky musician that I far prefer to be, cops are convinced that I must be the perp.

I have always and still do look like a "Decent White Christian" (TM) yet still have more negative than positive encounters with police in their official capacity.

In the incident I described above (which still makes me shake when I think about it) I will note that the supervisor was a decent cop in this situation. So was the third cop. So two out of three did their jobs appropriately, but the bully cop created and escalated a situation that - had my daughter been abducted rather than just lost in the crowd - could have cost her life.
 
Serious? You are seriously trying to use the "rules are rules" line on me? I complied with the rules by allowing my daughter to be separated from me at the que.
Well, you should not have let her go into separate line and I am reasonably sure that they would have let you do that.

You'd be wrong. Clearly, you have not been through an airport security line with your kids recently.
 
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