I'm a Fascist. Am I welcome here?

[GenesisNemesis]

Frankly, you're behaving like a jerk.

But being a fascist doesn't inherently make someone a jerk??

 

[Jarhyn]

You don't know Matt as well as I do.

Little of your screed applies to someone with Matt's long term issues.
Frankly, you're behaving like a jerk. Just put him on ignore if you can't take it.

I have been curating my viewpoints (read, subjecting them to scathing external review) for years here. I oftentimes consider this place a "whetstone of the mind" of sorts.

I'm unimpressed.
Tom

Tom, I've been dealing with this kind of behavior for a very long time.

And yes, I behave like a jerk. The fact is, there is obviously an affect of reinforcement of behavior mediated through his shame response. I don't even assume Matt even has an awareness that this is what they are doing. At any rate I suspect they would enjoy the scorn more if they leaned into it, and wouldn't lose social leverage as they do otherwise, if they did so in a more private setting.

Personally, I would rather not be forced into being an unwilling participant in his quest for psychological and/or sexual gratification of his deprecative drives. It's not a healthy behavior to seek unwilling participants in such scenes, but given his physical location I may, in fact, be coerced to be a participant purely on virtue of physical expisure. If I wish to 'ignore' him, as such, I would have to pluck out my own eyes.

So, I would encourage him that if he needs someone to call him a filthy fascist and spew hate on him until he creams himself, he should make an appointment with Mistress Mara or the like down at Ground Zero and leave the rest of us out of it

 

[laughing dog]

The notion that fascism is peaceful is contradicted by Mussolini's fascist state which routinely used violence against its perceived opponents:

Between 1926 and 1943, the Fascist regime arrested thousands of Italians and deported them to island internment colonies and small villages in southern Italy.

Ordinary Violence in Mussolini’s Italy analyses this system of political confinement and, more broadly, its effects on Italian society, revealing the centrality of political violence to Fascist rule. In doing so, the book shatters the widely accepted view that the Mussolini regime ruled without a system of mass repression.

The Fascist state ruled Italy violently, projecting its coercive power deeply and diffusely into society through confinement, imprisonment, low-level physical assaults, economic deprivations, intimidation, discrimination, and other quotidian forms of coercion.

Moreover, by promoting denunciatory practices, the regime cemented the loyalties of “upstanding” citizens while suppressing opponents, dissenters, and social outsiders. Fascist repression was thus more intense and ideological than previously thought and even shared some important similarities with Nazi and Soviet terror.

(source: https://primolevicenter.org/printed-matter/ordinary-violence-in-mussolinis-italy/)

Every state uses violence against opponents. America dropped atomic bombs on civilians. Does that mean it is intrinsic to the nature of Democracy to nuke women and children and commit the worst acts of terrorism in history?

Mussolini was dealing with a vicious threat that was tearing apart multiple nations and almost causing civil war in Italy, Communism. Yes, people who opposed he regime were sometimes treated unjustly and I'm saddened to hear about it.

However, it was to prevent a greater evil.

Also, when Mussolini became Prime minister, right wingers went door to door to terrorize leftists, communists, and socialists. Mussolini never gave them permission to do that , and in fact voiced his disapproval.

Thing is, the savages that killed Mussolini without trial, pissed on him, hung him upside down, and used him as target practice, were often the people writing the history books about him, and unlike a genuine Fascist, they had no moral code.

After public desecration of the Duce, the savages who were in control who abused the hell out of his corpse, abused his reputation and legacy, and did everything they could to erase everything good Mussolini did or said.

They added all kinds of fiction because they needed to Demonize and destroy Fascism to prevent it from resurrecting. This is why all the quotes I read attributed to Benito online make him look stupid. Then when I read a book written by him, it is eloquent, intelligent, and doesn't sound like the same person.

Point being, I'm convinced there are shit loads of falsehoods and false quotes attributed to Benito.

The "opponents" of the Fascists were Italian citizens whose major crime was not being a Fascist. It is counterfactual to claim that fascism is inherently peaceful - the history of Italian fascism rebuts that claim. . And, of course, the history of German fascism rebuts that claim as well. The defense of "preventing a greater evil" does not rebut the fact that fascism is not inherently peaceful, because fascists used violence (not non-violence) in that "defense".

Of course, the defense of "preventing a greater evil" in the case of Italy and Germany is utter bullshit which makes your rebuttal even less valid.

 

[TomC]

Frankly, you're behaving like a jerk.

But being a fascist doesn't inherently make someone a jerk??

It's not the only thing that makes someone a jerk.
Tom

 

[TomC]

If I wish to 'ignore' him, as such, I would have to pluck out my own eyes.

I thought TFT had a more sophisticated ignore function. I could be wrong.
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

If I wish to 'ignore' him, as such, I would have to pluck out my own eyes.

I thought TFT had a more sophisticated ignore function. I could be wrong.
Tom

What you are missing is that he lives and operates in the same city that I live and operate in, physically speaking. I COULD ignore him here, but I can't ignore him in reality. If he needs some willing participants, locally, to service his scorn fetish, they are available with affordable rates. Some may even participate for free.

Edit: I am impugning his actions in reality as engaging nonconsenting parties to his masturbatory shame dance, as I am directly included in the list of said nonconsenting parties. It's all good when you can pretend such public fetishistic sex acts aren't happening but that isn't possible for me and the 3+ million other residents of the TC metro area.

 

[Elixir]

No, I was emotionally confused sure, but I was at least smarter than these worthless sacks of shit.

50% of all people are of below average intelligence.

 

[TomC]

If I wish to 'ignore' him, as such, I would have to pluck out my own eyes.

I thought TFT had a more sophisticated ignore function. I could be wrong.
Tom

What you are missing is that he lives and operates in the same city that I live and operate in, physically speaking. I COULD ignore him here, but I can't ignore him in reality. If he needs some willing participants, locally, to service his scorn fetish, they are available with affordable rates. Some may even participate for free.

You live in a large urban area.

How much attention do you really pay to the hijinks of the mentally ill?

I PMed a super-mod asking how much I can talk about Matt, whom I've known for several years, without running afoul of TFT staff. I haven't heard back yet.

Get over yourself and your delicate sensibilities. Matt is strange and self-destructive. He does have an exhibitionist streak. But this Fascism obsession isn't close to his weirdest obsession.

Try to have a little empathy. Matt lives with demons you can't imagine.
Tom

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Try to have a little empathy. Matt lives with demons you can't imagine.
Tom

Nope. Personally I'm fucking tired of being told to have empathy for fascists. Fuck that.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is tough to welcome people who openly flame in the OP of the title of their first post. Convinced that they are the first one to ever be so clever.

Their OP could have read ‘I’m trying to get banned’ and been about as honest.

 

[Jarhyn]

I'm a compulsory pedestrian. So I have a lot more streetside interactions than you think. I have on average between 5 and 15 encounters with the mentally ill every week, from thieves (or just plain idiots) calling me a racist in attempts to get me to hand them my phone unlocked when I wouldn't hand my phone unlocked to my own brother, to people telling me about all the demons on me.

We all have a history. I would encourage him to seek healthy outlets for his exhibitionism. It's a pity GZ is closed for the 'Rona. Maybe he could contact MAPS and sort some of the worse traumas with MDMA.

I will suffer no acceptance of an obligation to empathy for fascists, as they have expressed in their fascism an explicit disregard for empathy. I will have empathy instead for a mentally ill man who needs to find better outlets for their drives. But that involves honestly recognizing that this is not a healthy behavior, ceasing to accept coercion to involvement in that behavior, and supplying in exchange a behavior that is consensual and private.

 

[TomC]

Try to have a little empathy. Matt lives with demons you can't imagine.
Tom

Nope. Personally I'm fucking tired of being told to have empathy for fascists. Fuck that.

Yeah, I get it.
Personally, I'm tired of being told to have empathy for people like Andrea Constand and George Floyd.

But there you have it.
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

Try to have a little empathy. Matt lives with demons you can't imagine.
Tom

Nope. Personally I'm fucking tired of being told to have empathy for fascists. Fuck that.

Yeah, I get it.
Personally, I'm tired of being told to have empathy for people like Andrea Constand and George Floyd.

But there you have it.
Tom

So, in the same breath you tell others to have empathy for him, after responses wherein the empathy they do provide is actually more appropriate than the empathy you request, you explain why you won't even entertain an empathy akin to the one you got.

I have empathy for George Floyd in that nobody deserves to be casually murdered by a cop, even if they were misbehaving prior to the incident. I have empathy for a "mentally ill man who got murdered needlessly". I have empathy for Matt. I just don't accept his behavior because his behavior is unacceptable insofar as it coerced others to participate with his exhibitionism.

 

[Lion IRC]

...My primary motive though is to try and eliminate immorality from society, educate people, brighten someone's day at my expense, and cause there to be healthy society and less suffering on the planet.

...AND, fight the errors of Communism!

Sounds OK to me.
Welcome to Free Thought Forum.

 

[laughing dog]

Try to have a little empathy. Matt lives with demons you can't imagine.
Tom

This is the wrong place for him to get therapy.

 

[TomC]

Try to have a little empathy. Matt lives with demons you can't imagine.
Tom

This is the wrong place for him to get therapy.

I agree.

But I don't get as screamy as the SJWs.
They're a hoot.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

Religious nutbar condones fascism... go figure? No, predictable.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Religious nutbar condones fascism... go figure? No, predictable.

Well, our President for the next 21 hours, 11 minutes: HUGE Christian, HUGE Fascist. He even had storm troopers assault a crowd so he could exhibit holy scripture!

 

[laughing dog]

Try to have a little empathy. Matt lives with demons you can't imagine.
Tom

This is the wrong place for him to get therapy.

I agree.

But I don't get as screamy as the SJWs.
They're a hoot.
Tom

Apparently he is a SJW, and he is not a hoot in my view. Frankly, a self-proclaimed fascist ought to expect dismay, disrespect or derision from the public.

 

[TomC]

I agree.

But I don't get as screamy as the SJWs.
They're a hoot.
Tom

Apparently he is a SJW,

Why do you think that?

I see no reason to think that is apparent.


He kinda is. But it's not apparent to me, on TFT.

Ask him about praying to the innocent souls of aborted babies. Or just leave it alone. Whatever.

I have lots of experience at not responding to the strange things I run across on the internet. It's easy. I do it all the time.
Tom