Immigration Issues

[southernhybrid]

The immigration thing in Europe was news to me. Of course it's primarily the Trump supporters in the US who dislike the immigrants.

The US is playing catch up; Europe has been becoming more xenophobic for a long time.

Brexit is an excellent example; English people deciding they won't even tolerate immigrants from the EU - white Christians from Poland - because they are too foreign.

Notably the Welsh, Scottish, and Northern Irish people all opposed Brexit; It was a statement of Englishness, intended to show strength, but actually displaying a horror at having become weak and irrelevant.

Xenophobia has taken longer to really take hold in the US, perhaps because US haters had a home-grown minority, deliberately and forcibly imported by fine upstanding white Americans, on whom to hate.

Nope. There has always been plenty of hatred in the US towards all kinds so immigrants, dating back at least to the 19th Century. I lived briefly in a town near Philadelphia, the so called city of brotherly love. I would stay up late at night listening to some talk radio and learn that Philly should have been called the city of brotherly hate. The city at that time was full of white immigrants but they lived in segregated neighborhoods. They all seemed to hate each other. I think Philly is black majority now so it's probably changed to some extent but I really don't know since I haven't been there since 1970.

My late grandfather was the son of an Irish immigrant in Boston. The Irish were hated in Boston just as much as black people were hated in Boston. The US may have called itself a nation of immigrants and yes we have lots of immigrants, but the hatred was always there.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You do realize that most of the so called free world is starting to turn hard right, don't you?

You do realize that most of the so called free world gets their cultural cues from a minuscule number of wealthy and powerful media moguls, don't you?

Objection: it's not just media moguls, but also the vast amount of disinformation pumped out by other rich guys. But you're right, and it's more than just cultural cues--people react to fake events. It's effectively impossible to detect all the fakes, all you can do is consider suspect anything which supports what a lot of fakes have supported. And watch for what something actually says vs what it appears to say. I recall a perfect illustration from that fat windbag that used to be on the radio. He presented the "failure rate" for condoms (units not specified--I recognized the number as being the in-use "failure" rate per year. Failure in quotes because a lot of the failures were not using one.) Then he was talking about HIV. If the failure rate was 1 in 6 (remember, that was per year and mostly from poor use, the actual number with correct use is 2%/year) to get HIV (no condom, known infected person doesn't carry anything like that risk!) would you risk it? Nothing in his words were false, but he lead listeners to a conclusion that was not remotely supported by the facts.

 

[crazyfingers]

We went to Lubec Maine today. Lubec is the eastern most town in the continental US. We visited the lighthouse and stood on the eastern most continental landmass in the US.

We did some hiking trails but avoided the border.

The land in the distance is Canada.



We hiked a trail and saw the bridge from Lubec to Canada. Traffic is down about 35% because of Trump.



About 50 miles north are Calais and St. Stephen. Calais is US. St. Stephen is Canada. The two towns have been one community for over 250 years. People crossed the border multiple times a day so see friends, to go to work, to see family. Traffic is down 35% across their bridge.

Calais voted overwhelmingly for Trump. I wonder if they regret it. I'd bet that the dumbfucks are blaming Obama.

Here is a Boston Globe story. It might be paywalled.

‘It gets worse depending on the news cycle’: A visit to US-Canada border towns being tested by Trump - The Boston Globe

The residents of Calais, Maine and St. Stephen, New Brunswick have been close for generations. Can they navigate new political divides?

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[TV and credit cards]

Even ICE doesn't like being ICE.
So why don't you quit your job? Stop paying your bills. Lose your healthcare. Your pension. Your 401k. You Nazi.
And aside from having to deal with all that dickery...

Some ICE investigators are frustrated that hundreds of specialized ICE investigative agents, who normally focus on serious crimes such as human trafficking and transnational gangs, have been reassigned to routine immigration enforcement.

Another stress factor for more senior officials is the perpetual threat of being removed for failure to produce arrests.

At the center of the complaints, the current and former ICE officials said, was the demand by the White House for ICE to sharply increase immigration arrest numbers to about 3,000 a day, 10 times the daily arrest rate last year.

I'm sure these agents are frozen out from applying for other positions. So their only option is to stick it out or leave government service altogether. In time, many will leave and what the public will be left with is the abhorrent fucks who enjoy what they are doing. And they'll probably be protected by a union so we'll be stuck with them and will see the lingering effects for years and years to come.
And then I read on...

Asked about the risk of bringing in less qualified people in the rush to staff up, Homan said ICE should choose “quality over quantity.”
“Officers still need to go through background investigations, they still need to be vetted, they still need to make sure they go to the academy,” Homan said.

Oh. Well. My concerns are assuaged.
That's sarcasm, for those who didn't catch that subtle bit.
What will really happen is the background and vetting will be hurried through and only the worst of the worst will be denied. There will be waivers upon waivers. Waivers for all. And as far as the academy goes, the attrition rate will be zero or we'll see a new head of the academy.

 

[ZiprHead]

I've started a thread in the Presidential Politics forum for stories and comments on Trump's overall crime reduction efforts using the military and the FBI not related to immigration. Please PM me with Thread and post numbers if there is a post you think I've missed.

Thanks

Zip

I changed my mind and moved them all into the "Are We In A Fascist..." thread.

 

[ZiprHead]

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the immigrant that a Trump administration has unfairly and illegally targeted, has filed a claim of asylum in the US.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[laughing dog]

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the immigrant that a Trump administration has unfairly and illegally targeted, has filed a claim of asylum in the US.

Mr Garcia needs asylum from the current federal gov't, so does he realize who is asking?

 

[ZiprHead]

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the immigrant that a Trump administration has unfairly and illegally targeted, has filed a claim of asylum in the US.

Mr Garcia needs asylum from the current federal gov't, so does he realize who is asking?

He's an embarrassment to the Trump administration so he must be gotten rid of. This is another means of preventing that.

 

[ZiprHead]

ICE released this Mass. mom with no phone, 30 miles from home in the rain after detainment for a sealed marijuana conviction

Federal authorities refused to tell the Canton woman's husband or lawyer on what grounds she was being detained until shortly before her release.

www.masslive.com

Marcel Rosa watched helplessly as federal agents led his wife, Jemmy Jimenez Rosa, away at Boston Logan International Airport on Aug. 11. Their three young daughters clung to him in tears, fear and confusion.



What should have been the end of a joyful vacation to Mexico for the Canton family, with over 30 relatives, had turned into a nightmare. Jimenez Rosa, a legal permanent resident and mother of four U.S. citizens, was detained over what her lawyer believes was a decades-old, personal-use marijuana charge — an offense that was pardoned by Gov. Maura Healey in 2024 and is no longer a crime in Massachusetts.

During the 10 days after Jimenez Rosa was detained, the family would be thrust into a bureaucratic maze as the 42-year-old mother was shuttled between detention facilities — including one for men only — from Massachusetts to Maine. She was denied proper health care for her diabetes, asthma and other serious health issues, which led to two hospitalizations, her lawyer said.

Jimenez Rosa’s time in custody ended with her alone, wet and begging for help at The Cheesecake Factory in the Burlington Mall, after ICE agents released her into the rainy street outside the detention facility Wednesday night. She was 30 miles from home, with no phone and a broken spirit.

 

[unapologetic]

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the immigrant that a Trump administration has unfairly and illegally targeted, has filed a claim of asylum in the US.

He would be better asking for asylum in Canada.

 

[southernhybrid]

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the immigrant that a Trump administration has unfairly and illegally targeted, has filed a claim of asylum in the US.

He would be better asking for asylum in Canada.

A lot of were saying the same thing in the comment section of the NYTimes.

 

[unapologetic]

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the immigrant that a Trump administration has unfairly and illegally targeted, has filed a claim of asylum in the US.

He would be better asking for asylum in Canada.

A lot of were saying the same thing in the comment section of the NYTimes.

On the other hand, I've got to give him credit for staying and fighting.

 

[southernhybrid]

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the immigrant that a Trump administration has unfairly and illegally targeted, has filed a claim of asylum in the US.

He would be better asking for asylum in Canada.

A lot of were saying the same thing in the comment section of the NYTimes.

On the other hand, I've got to give him credit for staying and fighting.

He does have a lot courage. I wish more people did, especially politicians who won't stand up to Trump.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Dominick Skinner, a Netherlands-based immigration activist, estimates he and a group of volunteers have publicly identified at least 20 ICE officials recorded wearing masks during arrests. He told POLITICO his experts are “able to reveal a face using AI, if they have 35 percent or more of the face visible.”

AI is unmasking ICE officers.

ICE agents “don’t deserve to be hunted online by activists using AI,” said Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.), who chairs the Senate Homeland Security subcommittee on border management and the federal workforce.

Sure Lankford but it's fine when Trump does it, huh?

Under existing U.S. law, however, Skinner’s project is legal — highlighting to lawmakers and law enforcement officials the downside of years of congressional inaction on surveillance and privacy laws.

Hey, you could even extend those privacy laws to everyone.
Why are you laughing?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Dominick Skinner, a Netherlands-based immigration activist, estimates he and a group of volunteers have publicly identified at least 20 ICE officials recorded wearing masks during arrests. He told POLITICO his experts are “able to reveal a face using AI, if they have 35 percent or more of the face visible.”

AI is unmasking ICE officers.

ICE agents “don’t deserve to be hunted online by activists using AI,” said Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.), who chairs the Senate Homeland Security subcommittee on border management and the federal workforce.

Sure Lankford but it's fine when Trump does it, huh?

Under existing U.S. law, however, Skinner’s project is legal — highlighting to lawmakers and law enforcement officials the downside of years of congressional inaction on surveillance and privacy laws.

Hey, you could even extend those privacy laws to everyone.
Why are you laughing?

Sorry, but please, NO! Don't hunt them with AI, it will finger innocents. AI will give you shit rather than say "I don't know."

 

[TV and credit cards]

Dominick Skinner, a Netherlands-based immigration activist, estimates he and a group of volunteers have publicly identified at least 20 ICE officials recorded wearing masks during arrests. He told POLITICO his experts are “able to reveal a face using AI, if they have 35 percent or more of the face visible.”

AI is unmasking ICE officers.

ICE agents “don’t deserve to be hunted online by activists using AI,” said Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.), who chairs the Senate Homeland Security subcommittee on border management and the federal workforce.

Sure Lankford but it's fine when Trump does it, huh?

Under existing U.S. law, however, Skinner’s project is legal — highlighting to lawmakers and law enforcement officials the downside of years of congressional inaction on surveillance and privacy laws.

Hey, you could even extend those privacy laws to everyone.
Why are you laughing?

Sorry, but please, NO! Don't hunt them with AI, it will finger innocents. AI will give you shit rather than say "I don't know."

Really? I haven't had this experienced yet. It has for example on occasion required me to discern whether or not a Reddit post was a good source of information or in general to question it's links. Something I would do anyways. So yeah, some action on the user's part still required. Don't expect it to be all things so early in it's young life. Let it learn to walk first.

When reading this article, I assumed these ICE agents were being identified in a very similar way masked individuals on Jan 6th were identified, that the technology is just more in the public sphere and probably much more accurate all these years later.

Once a name is associated with a masked face, the rest of an individual's info is easily gathered from county websites and data brokers with consumer facing websites. So whether or not an individual is a match is no more difficult than the commonality of the person's name.

 

[ZiprHead]

ICE raids another car wash—target U.S. citizens.

"I got my ID! Check my locker!" worker yelled as agents twisted him to ground.

"I thought it was active shooter and hid in bathroom with 5 other guys," said customer.

"Everybody started screaming. My car is still sitting with towels on it," a man said.

The manager said they just grabbed anyone they could—without asking for any identification.

Agents even took customers' keys—leaving them stranded.

The incident occurred at the Studio City Hand Car Wash in Los Angeles, California.