Immigration Issues

[crazyfingers]

ICE raids another car wash—target U.S. citizens.

"I got my ID! Check my locker!" worker yelled as agents twisted him to ground.

"I thought it was active shooter and hid in bathroom with 5 other guys," said customer.

"Everybody started screaming. My car is still sitting with towels on it," a man said.

The manager said they just grabbed anyone they could—without asking for any identification.

Agents even took customers' keys—leaving them stranded.

The incident occurred at the Studio City Hand Car Wash in Los Angeles, California.

A bit more detail and less misleading. It's still horrible.

Federal agents detain employees at popular Studio City car wash

Federal agents descended on another car wash Friday during an immigration enforcement operation that ended with several employees being detained in Studio City. Customers waiting for their vehicles witnessed the chaos unfold during the morning rush at Studio City Hand Car Wash. “I was looking at...

www.nbclosangeles.com

ICE agents target well-known Studio City car wash, taking several workers into custody

Angry community members confronted federal agents as they stormed a car wash in Studio City on Friday. "They literally just stole somebody!" a witness said.

abc7.com

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Sorry, but please, NO! Don't hunt them with AI, it will finger innocents. AI will give you shit rather than say "I don't know."

Really? I haven't had this experienced yet. It has for example on occasion required me to discern whether or not a Reddit post was a good source of information or in general to question it's links. Something I would do anyways. So yeah, some action on the user's part still required. Don't expect it to be all things so early in it's young life. Let it learn to walk first.

Never seen it???

Simple one I hit and remembered:

"largest tree on mt charleston nevada"

Google's AI response:
"The "largest" tree on Mt. Charleston is often considered the Rain Tree, a 3,000-year-old Great Basin Bristlecone Pine with a massive 12-foot circumference and 455-inch diameter, making it the most massive bristlecone pine in the state. While the exact location of the single largest bristlecone pine in Nevada is a closely guarded secret, the Rain Tree is a famous and accessible example of these ancient, monumental trees in the region."

Self-contradictory, so obviously false. I've actually been at the Raintree many times, it's not 12' in diameter. I won't blame Google for that 3,000 year old bit, that's the common knowledge of those of us who frequent the area but it turns out to be false, the supposed root source said they had no cores of it and were not aware of any trees in the area having been cored. And finding the coordinates of the actual 12' tree wasn't very hard--but getting to it doesn't look easy.

When reading this article, I assumed these ICE agents were being identified in a very similar way masked individuals on Jan 6th were identified, that the technology is just more in the public sphere and probably much more accurate all these years later.

Once a name is associated with a masked face, the rest of an individual's info is easily gathered from county websites and data brokers with consumer facing websites. So whether or not an individual is a match is no more difficult than the commonality of the person's name.

I'm fine with outing ICE agents, I just don't trust AI to be accurate about it.

 

[Shadowy Man]

12-foot circumference and 455-inch diameter,

um…

 

[bilby]

12-foot circumference and 455-inch diameter,

um…

45.5" maybe?

 

[TV and credit cards]

Sorry, but please, NO! Don't hunt them with AI, it will finger innocents. AI will give you shit rather than say "I don't know."

Really? I haven't had this experienced yet. It has for example on occasion required me to discern whether or not a Reddit post was a good source of information or in general to question it's links. Something I would do anyways. So yeah, some action on the user's part still required. Don't expect it to be all things so early in it's young life. Let it learn to walk first.

Never seen it???

Simple one I hit and remembered:

"largest tree on mt charleston nevada"

Google's AI response:
"The "largest" tree on Mt. Charleston is often considered the Rain Tree, a 3,000-year-old Great Basin Bristlecone Pine with a massive 12-foot circumference and 455-inch diameter, making it the most massive bristlecone pine in the state. While the exact location of the single largest bristlecone pine in Nevada is a closely guarded secret, the Rain Tree is a famous and accessible example of these ancient, monumental trees in the region."

Self-contradictory, so obviously false. I've actually been at the Raintree many times, it's not 12' in diameter. I won't blame Google for that 3,000 year old bit, that's the common knowledge of those of us who frequent the area but it turns out to be false, the supposed root source said they had no cores of it and were not aware of any trees in the area having been cored. And finding the coordinates of the actual 12' tree wasn't very hard--but getting to it doesn't look easy.

B – See, in my mind these two things are not equal. There is a chasm of context between what I wrote and your interpretation of it. Sure, if one strips it down to its fundamental meaning, one could argue these two statements are equal. But that's not how the English language is suppose to work. It's not some problem to be solved by tossing all statements in one of two boxes. There implication and distinction, gradations we must interpret.

 

[ZiprHead]

My google ai says nothing about the tree's diameter or circumference. And it always includes a link to where it obtained the information.

 

[ZiprHead]

ICE detains green card holder—days after she passed citizenship exam.

She was awaiting the official ceremony—when agents tricked her into coming in for appointment—only to arrest her.

Sharareh Moghadam entered U.S. legally with all documents in order—but recent trip to Iran may have flagged her in ICE database.

She and her husband have owned their Los Angeles balloon shop together for almost 20 years.

Hooshang Aghdassi hasn't seen his wife in over a month—after she was transferred to an ICE detention center in Phoenix, Arizona

 

[Shadowy Man]

She and her husband have owned their Los Angeles balloon shop together for almost 20 years.

didn’t Hamas use balloons to drop bombs on Israel?

 

[bilby]

There is a chasm of context between what I wrote and your interpretation of it. Sure, if one strips it down to its fundamental meaning, one could argue these two statements are equal. But that's not how the English language is suppose to work. It's not some problem to be solved by tossing all statements in one of two boxes. There implication and distinction, gradations we must interpret.

That's what all astrologers and psychics say when challenged.

I am not wrong; You just don't understand the subtleties of my craft.

AI is the new charlatan on the block. It's highly convincing, and it's even right more often than it is wrong. That doesn't make it reliable. Or valuable.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Sorry, but please, NO! Don't hunt them with AI, it will finger innocents. AI will give you shit rather than say "I don't know."

Really? I haven't had this experienced yet. It has for example on occasion required me to discern whether or not a Reddit post was a good source of information or in general to question it's links. Something I would do anyways. So yeah, some action on the user's part still required. Don't expect it to be all things so early in it's young life. Let it learn to walk first.

Never seen it???

Simple one I hit and remembered:

"largest tree on mt charleston nevada"

Google's AI response:
"The "largest" tree on Mt. Charleston is often considered the Rain Tree, a 3,000-year-old Great Basin Bristlecone Pine with a massive 12-foot circumference and 455-inch diameter, making it the most massive bristlecone pine in the state. While the exact location of the single largest bristlecone pine in Nevada is a closely guarded secret, the Rain Tree is a famous and accessible example of these ancient, monumental trees in the region."

Self-contradictory, so obviously false. I've actually been at the Raintree many times, it's not 12' in diameter. I won't blame Google for that 3,000 year old bit, that's the common knowledge of those of us who frequent the area but it turns out to be false, the supposed root source said they had no cores of it and were not aware of any trees in the area having been cored. And finding the coordinates of the actual 12' tree wasn't very hard--but getting to it doesn't look easy.

B – See, in my mind these two things are not equal. There is a chasm of context between what I wrote and your interpretation of it. Sure, if one strips it down to its fundamental meaning, one could argue these two statements are equal. But that's not how the English language is suppose to work. It's not some problem to be solved by tossing all statements in one of two boxes. There implication and distinction, gradations we must interpret.

Actually, AI needs to interpret... and it isn't there yet. Of course, AI to compare images is a bit different than the Google AI out there. AI as it exists now is a tool... that should be used as one of many tools especially when it comes to identifying people.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to work on getting that Nobel Prize for redefining the value of Pi based on the Google AI search above.

 

[TV and credit cards]

There is a chasm of context between what I wrote and your interpretation of it. Sure, if one strips it down to its fundamental meaning, one could argue these two statements are equal. But that's not how the English language is suppose to work. It's not some problem to be solved by tossing all statements in one of two boxes. There implication and distinction, gradations we must interpret.

That's what all astrologers and psychics say when challenged.

I am not wrong; You just don't understand the subtleties of my craft.

AI is the new charlatan on the block. It's highly convincing, and it's even right more often than it is wrong. That doesn't make it reliable. Or valuable.

It's explanation and links (ChatGPT) provide a very good jumping off point. That has value to me and likely to many others. Maybe it will get better. Maybe it will just bounce sideways for the next forty years like a Microsoft operating system, forever finding new and interesting ways to suck. We don't know. But to dismiss it at this point as a charlatan is premature.

 

[bilby]

There is a chasm of context between what I wrote and your interpretation of it. Sure, if one strips it down to its fundamental meaning, one could argue these two statements are equal. But that's not how the English language is suppose to work. It's not some problem to be solved by tossing all statements in one of two boxes. There implication and distinction, gradations we must interpret.

That's what all astrologers and psychics say when challenged.

I am not wrong; You just don't understand the subtleties of my craft.

AI is the new charlatan on the block. It's highly convincing, and it's even right more often than it is wrong. That doesn't make it reliable. Or valuable.

It's explanation and links (ChatGPT) provide a very good jumping off point. That has value to me and likely to many others. Maybe it will get better. Maybe it will just bounce sideways for the next forty years like a Microsoft operating system, forever finding new and interesting ways to suck. We don't know. But to dismiss it at this point as a charlatan is premature.

On the contrary, it is inherent and unavoidable in the way LLMs work.

They present information from a wide variety of un-vetted sources in a manner and style that carries all the hallmarks of knowledge amd trustworthiness. But they are neither knowlegable nor trustworthy.

They are, by design, highly skilled fraudsters and charlatans.

 

[robnisch]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

12-foot circumference and 455-inch diameter,

um…

You realize I'm quoting Google?? And I specifically said they got it wrong.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

My google ai says nothing about the tree's diameter or circumference. And it always includes a link to where it obtained the information.

Interesting. Now I'm getting a very different and more accurate response to the exact same query I did before.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

On the contrary, it is inherent and unavoidable in the way LLMs work.

They present information from a wide variety of un-vetted sources in a manner and style that carries all the hallmarks of knowledge amd trustworthiness. But they are neither knowlegable nor trustworthy.

They are, by design, highly skilled fraudsters and charlatans.

Yeah. Especially with that 3,000 year bit--common knowledge that is wrong.

 

[ZiprHead]

ICE was gathering in a federal building parking lot preparing to go out for raids and someone used a bike chain on the gate and locked them in.

 

[ZiprHead]

U.S. ally concerned after ICE raid sees 'many' of its nationals detained at Hyundai facility in Georgia

The South Korean government said Friday it had expressed "regret" to the U.S. Embassy over the raid at a battery plant under construction at one of the state's largest manufacturing facilities.

www.nbcnews.com

South Korea said Friday that it had expressed “concern and regret” to the U.S. Embassy over an immigration raid on a Hyundai facility in Georgia during which it said “many” South Korean nationals had been detained.

“The economic activities of our companies investing in the U.S. and the rights and interests of our nationals must not be unfairly violated,” said Lee Jae-woong, a spokesperson for the foreign ministry of the key U.S. ally, according to the Yonhap news agency.


Agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as well as Homeland Security Investigations and other federal agencies were involved in the operation on Thursday, which an ICE spokesperson said was conducted in connection with an investigation into “unlawful employment practices and other serious federal crimes.”

 

[Shadowy Man]

U.S. ally concerned after ICE raid sees 'many' of its nationals detained at Hyundai facility in Georgia

The South Korean government said Friday it had expressed "regret" to the U.S. Embassy over the raid at a battery plant under construction at one of the state's largest manufacturing facilities.

www.nbcnews.com

South Korea said Friday that it had expressed “concern and regret” to the U.S. Embassy over an immigration raid on a Hyundai facility in Georgia during which it said “many” South Korean nationals had been detained.

“The economic activities of our companies investing in the U.S. and the rights and interests of our nationals must not be unfairly violated,” said Lee Jae-woong, a spokesperson for the foreign ministry of the key U.S. ally, according to the Yonhap news agency.


Agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as well as Homeland Security Investigations and other federal agencies were involved in the operation on Thursday, which an ICE spokesperson said was conducted in connection with an investigation into “unlawful employment practices and other serious federal crimes.”

It remains unclear how many people have been taken into custody, but Schrank said, “We are making many arrests of undocumented individuals.”

Any arrests of employers who hired the undocumented workers? If they are serious about dissuading illegal immigration it would seem that could be a good step in order to disincentivize.

 

[Politesse]

They aren't trying to dissuade immigration, they are trying to terrify immigrants. There's a huge difference.