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Do you feel safer yet?

No. I certainly feel less safe now with Trump's gestapo on the streets than I did in 2024 when things were relatively normal.

And I'm as white as they come. In addition to my RealID i keep a photo of my passport, birth certificate, and my parent's birth and death certificates on my phone to show that they were born here too. I wish now that when I had renewed my passport book I had also gotten a passport card too.

One of my adopted sons, who was born in Boston to US citizens has native american ancestry and his last name is hyphenated with my last name and my wife's last name. He looks a little bit Latin American. He keeps his passport card on him whenever he leaves the house.

But if Ice ever stopped me I'd record them and tell them that they are Trump's fascist gestapo.
 
I hear you, TSwizzle. I learned quickly what side of the line I was on. That “land of opportunity” myth looks great on TV, but when you grow up Black in America, you realize the rules are different, and the playing field was tilted long before I ever set foot on it.

One example: I’ve worked at the same company for 25 years, taken on countless responsibilities, and never received a title change or a raise to reflect that. Meanwhile, two white women were hired after me, and after completing a single task, they were promoted into corporate positions. Anecdotal? Maybe. But far from rare, stories like mine happen every day. And to this day, those same women still rely on me for the majority of their work.

At one point, management actually demoted me to warehouse work, claiming my role wasn’t essential. That is, until those same women (not in protest, but in practicality) made it clear I was a key part of their operations. Management reluctantly asked me to return to my previous duties.

What you’re describing, the hierarchy, the gatekeeping, the illusion of mobility, isn’t new. It’s just more visible now. America has always had tiers. But more people are waking up to the fact that this country doesn’t run on merit, it runs on carefully managed access and the preservation of privilege for those deemed part of the in-group. Or as I put it: this system protects those tied to the “right kind” of blood that built the empire. The rest of us? We were always expected to serve beneath it.

Your story matters because it shows that even those who come here legally, with skills and ambition, still hit the wall, that moment when you realize this place isn’t broken. It’s working exactly as intended. Some of us never had the chance to believe in the American Dream. We were born under a ceiling that started pressing down before we even learned how to speak.

Even someone like Jay-Z, who went from selling drugs to becoming a billionaire, still hits structural limits. He can buy into a franchise, but he’ll never own the league. He can own his masters, but the platforms and distribution networks still belong to someone else. That’s the difference between symbolic success and systemic control.

And for anyone wondering why I’m still at this company, it’s simple. I had to work ten times as hard in the beginning just to get where I am, and I’m not about to start all over again with a new group of white folks who’d rather overlook that work than recognize it.

And just to say it preemptively , I agree with anyone who points out that classism plays a major role. But to believe racism isn’t also a factor? That’s delusional, in my opinion.
Was it really racism or was it because you are a man instead of a woman? I ask because the exact same thing happened to me 30 years ago when I hired on at an automotive factory except that the woman was the same race as myself. I was clearly superior at this job (putting parts on the assembly line) because I clearly was bigger and more strength (as a man). Yet she was given full time status 6 months before I was.

Furthermore, the company actually admitted their discrimination was in place because of government quotas they had to meet.

It should be noted there were also black men hired ahead of myself at the same time. But that did not bother me because at least they could do the job as well as I could. At the time of my hiring, a white woman was preferred over everyone else including black men.
 
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Imagine the coincidence borders needed to be closed as a reaction to one receiving citizenship...

"Now that I'm here, everybody else keep out!"
That is a very fair comment. But pretty much all of humanity acts in this exact manner.

Unions certainly act this way because once you have good seniority built up, the people who are under you either want you to quit or retire as soon as possible so they can take your position.
 
We need these immigrants and even if they are deported, at least send them back to their own countries, assuming they won't be subjected to the likelihood of being killed or imprisoned while committing no crimes. :mad:
We certainly do not need these immigrants. The only immigrants we might need are the ones Musk talks about with the H1b visas and even those cases are abused by employers to drive down wages. That being said Trump could sure be a hell of lot more compassionate about how they are sent back.

I still blame Biden much more than Trump because the problem was created during the first few days of his administration when he took down all the border control that Trump had done right. Once the horses jump the fence it is so much harder to get them back where they belong again.
 
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Do you feel safer yet?

No. I certainly feel less safe now with Trump's gestapo on the streets than I did in 2024 when things were relatively normal.

And I'm as white as they come. In addition to my RealID i keep a photo of my passport, birth certificate, and my parent's birth and death certificates on my phone to show that they were born here too. I wish now that when I had renewed my passport book I had also gotten a passport card too.

One of my adopted sons, who was born in Boston to US citizens has native american ancestry and his last name is hyphenated with my last name and my wife's last name. He looks a little bit Latin American. He keeps his passport card on him whenever he leaves the house.

But if Ice ever stopped me I'd record them and tell them that they are Trump's fascist gestapo.
Totally agree with this. This is just more homeland security stuff for all of us. Now our fatherland wants to make sure you have your papers so you won't get thrown in jail. Everyday we get further and further away from limited government of our founding constitution.
 
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We need these immigrants and even if they are deported, at least send them back to their own countries, assuming they won't be subjected to the likelihood of being killed or imprisoned while committing no crimes. :mad:
We certainly do not need these immigrants. The only immigrants we might need are the ones Musk talks about with the H1b visas and even those cases are abused by employers to drive down wages. That being said Trump could sure be a hell of lot more compassionate about how they are sent back.

I still blame Biden much more than Trump because the problem was created during the first few days of his administration when he took down all the border control that Trump had done right. Once the horses jump the fence it is so much harder to get them back where they belong again.
Who do you suppose will work in fields if there are no migrant workers? Who will work in meat processing plants? As personal care attendants? In nursing homes?

Of course you blame Biden even though Trump gave orders to derail a good bipartisan immigration bill.

I suppose it is something that you believe more compassion could be used. Damn cold comfort, especially since people are dying, children separated from parents, and people being sent deliberately to hell holes, sometimes in foreign countries where they have no connection, no rights, and no future except as entertainment for sadists.
 
Do you feel safer yet?

No. I certainly feel less safe now with Trump's gestapo on the streets than I did in 2024 when things were relatively normal.

And I'm as white as they come. In addition to my RealID i keep a photo of my passport, birth certificate, and my parent's birth and death certificates on my phone to show that they were born here too. I wish now that when I had renewed my passport book I had also gotten a passport card too.

One of my adopted sons, who was born in Boston to US citizens has native american ancestry and his last name is hyphenated with my last name and my wife's last name. He looks a little bit Latin American. He keeps his passport card on him whenever he leaves the house.

But if Ice ever stopped me I'd record them and tell them that they are Trump's fascist gestapo.
Totally agree with this. This is just more homeland security stuff for all of us. Now our fatherland wants to make sure you have your papers so you won't get thrown in jail. Everyday we get further and further away from limited government of our founding constitution.
It’s not ‘homeland security.’ It’s keeping track of which groups will be blamed next. It’s eroding basic civil and human rights. It’s 1930’s Germany.
 
We need these immigrants and even if they are deported, at least send them back to their own countries, assuming they won't be subjected to the likelihood of being killed or imprisoned while committing no crimes. :mad:
We certainly do not need these immigrants. The only immigrants we might need are the ones Musk talks about with the H1b visas and even those cases are abused by employers to drive down wages. That being said Trump could sure be a hell of lot more compassionate about how they are sent back.

I still blame Biden much more than Trump because the problem was created during the first few days of his administration when he took down all the border control that Trump had done right. Once the horses jump the fence it is so much harder to get them back where they belong again.
Your comment shows your ignorance. Americans born and raised here can't or won't do the jobs that many hard working immigrants do. Some years back, farmers hired young high school graduates to do work in the fields. The guys were excited because they thought they would love the work, and get a decent paycheck, but most of them didn't last a day because the work was much more difficult then they expected. If I can find the link, I'll post it. I just read about that a few days ago.

When is the last time you saw a bunch of white guys putting on roofs? My late father did, but he was manic and he always did crazy shit during one of his episodes of mania. Who do you think does most of the construction work these days? I hired immigrants to paint my house and they did a great job. The cost was almost the same as what the white guy wanted. Most of the aides in nursing homes these days are immigrants, especially in the Northeast. They receive the same pay as the few who were born in the US. I could give you many other examples but until you wake up and realize how important these folks are, you will likely remain in denial. There is even a minimum wage for farm work, although based on what I've read, it's not uncommon for corporate farm companies to disobey those rules and mistreat the immigrants. Still, even with better pay and working conditions, Americans aren't going to do that type of work.

What Trump is doing is beyond cruel. It's horrific and inhumane. I've never seen anything like this in my life and I'm old.

Btw, Biden did not take down any of Trump's border wall.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...ing-trump-administration.html#google_vignette

The following is from the link:


Has President Joe Biden taken down the southern border wall that former President Donald Trump built? No, that's not true: On Biden's first day in office, January 20, 2021, he ordered a "pause in construction and obligation of funds" relating to the expansion of the border wall Trump had decreed. Biden's order says nothing about tearing down the part of the wall between the United States and Mexico built during the Trump administration. In fact, Biden's order gives the option of resuming wall projects.

The claim appeared in a Facebook post (archived here) published March 28, 2021. The post contains a meme with a photo of a man pressing his index finger and thumb together to form a circle. The text of the meme states:
 
Who do you suppose will work in fields if there are no migrant workers? Who will work in meat processing plants? As personal care attendants? In nursing homes?

Of course you blame Biden even though Trump gave orders to derail a good bipartisan immigration bill.

I suppose it is something that you believe more compassion could be used. Damn cold comfort, especially since people are dying, children separated from parents, and people being sent deliberately to hell holes, sometimes in foreign countries where they have no connection, no rights, and no future except as entertainment for sadists.
Present day robots and automation can already do most of the agriculture work furthermore AI will soon be able to do personal care in the near future. Even without this supposed technology Americans can and will do any job if the price is correct with the market.

Instead of seeking bottom wage slaves, business needs to work smarter, be more competitive, and become more productive. That way everyone who wants a good job has one and everyone has goods they can consume.
 

I suppose it is something that you believe more compassion could be used. Damn cold comfort, especially since people are dying, children separated from parents, and people being sent deliberately to hell holes, sometimes in foreign countries where they have no connection, no rights, and no future except as entertainment for sadists.
Like I said, it is very bad and I don't like it. But the blame goes mostly to Biden who let this get out of control in the first place. Government caused the problem that Trump is now being blamed cleaning up.
 
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Of course you blame Biden even though Trump gave orders to derail a good bipartisan immigration bill.
The immigration bill was just a typical political ruse of Democrat obfuscation.

Even you should see how useless this bill really was given that Trump has fixed the border without needing it. We don't need any more bills or problems caused by congress we just needed to enforce the laws we have.
 
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Who do you suppose will work in fields if there are no migrant workers? Who will work in meat processing plants? As personal care attendants? In nursing homes?

Of course you blame Biden even though Trump gave orders to derail a good bipartisan immigration bill.

I suppose it is something that you believe more compassion could be used. Damn cold comfort, especially since people are dying, children separated from parents, and people being sent deliberately to hell holes, sometimes in foreign countries where they have no connection, no rights, and no future except as entertainment for sadists.
Present day robots and automation can already do most of the agriculture work furthermore AI will soon be able to do personal care in the near future. Even without this supposed technology Americans can and will do any job if the price is correct with the market.

Instead of seeking bottom wage slaves, business needs to work smarter, be more competitive, and become more productive. That way everyone who wants a good job has one and everyone has goods they can consume.
If present day robots could do the work, they would be doing the work. I imagine there are some small number of persons, perhaps such as yourself, who would find having personal care done by Robert’s to be sufficient and an adequate substitute for human touch and connection but damn few would.

There is NOTHING now that prevents industries from hiring American workers for better wages and better work conditions except the desire for larger profits.

You blame immigrants for coming to the US for better wages instead of blaming US corporations for hiring immigrants at lesser wages. Why?
 

Of course you blame Biden even though Trump gave orders to derail a good bipartisan immigration bill.
The immigration bill was just a typical political ruse of Democrat obfuscation.

Even you should see how useless this bill really was given that Trump has fixed the border without needing it. We don't need any more bills or problems caused by congress we just needed to enforce the laws we have.
You are just a typical NewsMax consumer who would not know a piece of legislation unless they told you lies about it.
 


Has President Joe Biden taken down the southern border wall that former President Donald Trump built? No, that's not true: On Biden's first day in office, January 20, 2021, he ordered a "pause in construction and obligation of funds" relating to the expansion of the border wall Trump had decreed. Biden's order says nothing about tearing down the part of the wall between the United States and Mexico built during the Trump administration. In fact, Biden's order gives the option of resuming wall projects.

The claim appeared in a Facebook post (archived here) published March 28, 2021. The post contains a meme with a photo of a man pressing his index finger and thumb together to form a circle. The text of the meme states:
In the final analysis, the immigrants came across the border during Biden's administration and they are returning under Trumps.

On the subject of border security, I could care less if there was a border wall at all as long as we aren't over run and invaded by immigrants. And yes an argument can be made that Trump is not being compassionate about sending these people back that should have not come in the first place.

But there is no question that Trump is now succeeding where Biden failed abysmally.
 

Of course you blame Biden even though Trump gave orders to derail a good bipartisan immigration bill.
The immigration bill was just a typical political ruse of Democrat obfuscation.

Even you should see how useless this bill really was given that Trump has fixed the border without needing it. We don't need any more bills or problems caused by congress we just needed to enforce the laws we have.
You are just a typical NewsMax consumer who would not know a piece of legislation unless they told you lies about it.
I'm just an American making an obvious observation. We did not need a needless bill that would have done nothing. And we know this because we now have border security that is working without this bill that was never needed.

Trump lies all the time but in this case he was right. We did not need another bill, all we needed was a different POTUS.
 

Of course you blame Biden even though Trump gave orders to derail a good bipartisan immigration bill.
The immigration bill was just a typical political ruse of Democrat obfuscation.

Even you should see how useless this bill really was given that Trump has fixed the border without needing it. We don't need any more bills or problems caused by congress we just needed to enforce the laws we have.
You are just a typical NewsMax consumer who would not know a piece of legislation unless they told you lies about it.
I'm just an American making an obvious observation. We did not need a needless bill that would have done nothing. And we know this because we now have border security that is working without this bill that was never needed.

Trump lies all the time but in this case he was right. We did not need another bill, all we needed was a different POTUS.
Even you have pause at the methods of the so called border security. Never mind the estimated $29B in lost revenue due to lost tourism because of the US current policy.

BTW how do you know the current policy is working? I know local work places in factories have fired some immigrants from countries with preferred status when that status was lost. Do you think those workers were not needed? That there are other workers just waiting to get into those jobs?

There are not.
 
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