Immigration Issues

[Colonel Sanders]

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The baying mob are screaming "punch her". The cowardly thug then goes on to drop kick her from behind knocking her to the ground.

Government provocation based on fiction is a hell of a thing. ICE personnel signed up for this. Americans in these selectively persecuted states did not. If you don't want to be despised for killing and shitting on the rights of innocent civilians exercising their rights, then maybe ICE isn't the occupation you want to be in.

ICE has created these "criminals."

 

[Colonel Sanders]

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The baying mob are screaming "punch her". The cowardly thug then goes on to drop kick her from behind knocking her to the ground.

Government provocation based on fiction is a hell of a thing. ICE personnel signed up for this. Americans in these selectively persecuted states did not. If you don't want to be despised for killing and shitting on the rights of innocent civilians exercising their rights, then maybe ICE isn't the occupation you want to be in.

ICE has created these "criminals."

Sorry TS, I should've been more clear with my words.

The Trump administration's hateful vitriolic policies and the subsequent recruitment of untrained, unqualified, and ignorant thugs to a now-paramilitary force invading U.S. cities has made non-criminals exercising their rights into criminals.

Better?

 

[TSwizzle]

The Trump administration's hateful vitriolic policies and the subsequent recruitment of untrained, unqualified, and ignorant thugs to a now-paramilitary force invading U.S. cities has made non-criminals exercising their rights into criminals.

What on earth are you on about?

 

[Gospel]

The Trump administration's hateful vitriolic policies and the subsequent recruitment of untrained, unqualified, and ignorant thugs to a now-paramilitary force invading U.S. cities has made non-criminals exercising their rights into criminals.

What on earth are you on about?

It’s okay, not everyone follows complex discussions.

 

[Elixir]

True; but your post had nothing to do with Elixir's side of our dispute either. You didn't have a good reason to involve either of us.

Was I involved in a dispute?
I dunno, sorry. I have been so involved in dealing with my wife's dementia that I think it might be contagious.
Disputes exist in their moments, and the main skill I have developed lately, is to forget about them.
Did I win? If so, WHAT did I win? Same question if I lost.

 

[Elixir]

The Trump administration's hateful vitriolic policies and the subsequent recruitment of untrained, unqualified, and ignorant thugs to a now-paramilitary force invading U.S. cities has made non-criminals exercising their rights into criminals.

What on earth are you on about?

It’s okay, not everyone follows complex discussions.

Is that a complex point?
We just had a newly manufactured criminal executed in the street, one who had been a medical professional engaged in saving and improving the lives of people who were made ill or injured after serving in our nation's military. But when he stood between nameless armed thugs and a defenseless woman, he was summarily judged, convicted and executed as a domestic terrorist.
But being a well practiced veteran somnambulist, TSwizzle didn't hear about that, or if he did, his likely source (the dog killer gnome) left out the part about him being a "medical professional engaged in saving and improving the lives of people who were made ill or injured after serving in our nation's military" and described him only as a terrorist.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

True; but your post had nothing to do with Elixir's side of our dispute either. You didn't have a good reason to involve either of us.

Was I involved in a dispute?
I dunno, sorry. I have been so involved in dealing with my wife's dementia that I think it might be contagious.
Disputes exist in their moments, and the main skill I have developed lately, is to forget about them.
Did I win? If so, WHAT did I win? Same question if I lost.

Oh sure, just assume you might have either won or lost in someone else's opinion. Listen, buddy, we'll have none of your passive I-don't-even-know-if-Iam-debating here. It's people like you that turn a perfectly divisive political forum into a bunch of peacenik rational conversationalists "discussing" important issues instead of everyone trying to win at their own personal religions!

 

[Jarhyn]

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The baying mob are screaming "punch her". The cowardly thug then goes on to drop kick her from behind knocking her to the ground.

Then they should go to jail for whatever duration the judge decides within the legal parameters. However, not executed in the street.

Yeah TSwizz, Roll your eyes at the idea that (checks notes) people deserve fair trials and due process.

I wonder what you will be thinking in a couple years time when it's an ICE agent rolling their eyes at you as they gun you down or arrest you or rape you or beat you like they have so many others, as you claim "but I'm a Trump supporter!!!111"

 

[Toni]

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The baying mob are screaming "punch her". The cowardly thug then goes on to drop kick her from behind knocking her to the ground.

Then they should go to jail for whatever duration the judge decides within the legal parameters. However, not executed in the street.

After they are arrested, read their Miranda rights, and if they are tried and convicted.

Assuming this is an accurate story.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

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The baying mob are screaming "punch her". The cowardly thug then goes on to drop kick her from behind knocking her to the ground.

The protestors were idiots, committed crimes, and did nothing to positively project their side of things, if such a thing exists. Heck, maybe they are just protest hooligans looking to do nothing but cause trouble. But assuming they are actual protestors, what they did was wrong on several levels.

I would raise an issue with your use of the word "animals". Animals would have actually beat them down. Not been a nuisance and cause mild damage. Also, you put animals down. They acted criminals, immorally, stupidly, but they aren't "animals". That is dehumanizing crap.

 

[Gospel]

How many is many? They've deported 600,000 people, last I saw. If 0.1% were here legally and were deported for no reason that would be 600, which is certainly "many", but it would still be a 99.9% accuracy rate, which would indicate the government is pretty solidly focused on people it thinks are here illegally or abused U.S. hospitality. So what fraction are you claiming were arrested and deported for no reason?

The issue is that you're assuming the error rate is tiny without any transparent data to support that. We don’t actually know the true percentage of wrongful arrests or deportations because immigration enforcement data isn’t fully public, court access is inconsistent, and many people removed never get meaningful review. You can't "math makes it moral" without the math bruh.

 

[Elixir]

How many is many? They've deported 600,000 people, last I saw. If 0.1% were here legally and were deported for no reason that would be 600, which is certainly "many", but it would still be a 99.9% accuracy rate, which would indicate the government is pretty solidly focused on people it thinks are here illegally or abused U.S. hospitality. So what fraction are you claiming were arrested and deported for no reason?

The issue is that you're assuming the error rate is tiny without any transparent data to support that. We don’t actually know the true percentage of wrongful arrests or deportations because immigration enforcement data isn’t fully public, court access is inconsistent, and many people removed never get meaningful review. You can't "math makes it moral" without the math bruh.

The lack of transparency is in large part an enabling mechanism. It lets B#20 put forth such specious supporting arguments while preserving his own deniability, because ANY assertion about rates of uncounted disappearances and deaths is, and shall ever remain, unverifiable. Reliance on “known data” is reliance on known liars. But we’re supposed to forgive that.

 

[Toni]

How many is many? They've deported 600,000 people, last I saw. If 0.1% were here legally and were deported for no reason that would be 600, which is certainly "many", but it would still be a 99.9% accuracy rate, which would indicate the government is pretty solidly focused on people it thinks are here illegally or abused U.S. hospitality. So what fraction are you claiming were arrested and deported for no reason?

The issue is that you're assuming the error rate is tiny without any transparent data to support that. We don’t actually know the true percentage of wrongful arrests or deportations because immigration enforcement data isn’t fully public, court access is inconsistent, and many people removed never get meaningful review. You can't "math makes it moral" without the math bruh.

The lack of transparency is in large part an enabling mechanism. It lets B#20 put forth such specious supporting arguments while preserving his own deniability, because ANY assertion about rates of uncounted disappearances and deaths is, and shall ever remain, unverifiable. Reliance on “known data” is reliance on known liars. But we’re supposed to forgive that.

Yes, it’s a feature not a bug.

 

[crazyfingers]

How many is many? They've deported 600,000 people, last I saw. If 0.1% were here legally and were deported for no reason that would be 600, which is certainly "many", but it would still be a 99.9% accuracy rate, which would indicate the government is pretty solidly focused on people it thinks are here illegally or abused U.S. hospitality. So what fraction are you claiming were arrested and deported for no reason?

The issue is that you're assuming the error rate is tiny without any transparent data to support that. We don’t actually know the true percentage of wrongful arrests or deportations because immigration enforcement data isn’t fully public, court access is inconsistent, and many people removed never get meaningful review. You can't "math makes it moral" without the math bruh.

The lack of transparency is in large part an enabling mechanism. It lets B#20 put forth such specious supporting arguments while preserving his own deniability, because ANY assertion about rates of uncounted disappearances and deaths is, and shall ever remain, unverifiable. Reliance on “known data” is reliance on known liars. But we’re supposed to forgive that.

Yes, it’s a feature not a bug.

BUT but But... Trumps mouth pieces say that this administration is the most Transparent of all time! I don't get it.

 

[scombrid]

ICE tried to detain a friend last Thursday. She was on her way to work. They decided to run a little check point in an area where there are a lot of migrant farm workers. She is a citizen on her way to an academic job of the science type.

She produced a Real ID driver license. Not enough, could be fake. Birth certificate produced. That was suspicious because why would she have it if she were a citizen. Likely also fake then. He was trying to remove her from the vehicle to detain her until she could prove that the documents weren’t fake. A sheriff deputy that went to high school with her stepped in and vouched for her. ICE said “we’ll get you next time bitch” as she drove off.

You GOP apologists are just scum.

 

[Toni]

ICE tried to detain a friend last Thursday. She was on her way to work. They decided to run a little check point in an area where there are a lot of migrant farm workers. She is a citizen on her way to an academic job of the science type.

She produced a Real ID driver license. Not enough, could be fake. Birth certificate produced. That was suspicious because why would she have it if she were a citizen. Likely also fake then. He was trying to remove her from the vehicle to detain her until she could prove that the documents weren’t fake. A sheriff deputy that went to high school with her stepped in and vouched for her. ICE said “we’ll get you next time bitch” as she drove off.

You GOP apologists are just scum.

Horrifying that this is not an extreme mistake/single bad actor. Horrifying if it only happened once to one person and horrible that it was your friend. There needs to be a better word for horrible…

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

ICE tried to detain a friend last Thursday. She was on her way to work. They decided to run a little check point in an area where there are a lot of migrant farm workers. She is a citizen on her way to an academic job of the science type.

She produced a Real ID driver license. Not enough, could be fake. Birth certificate produced. That was suspicious because why would she have it if she were a citizen. Likely also fake then. He was trying to remove her from the vehicle to detain her until she could prove that the documents weren’t fake. A sheriff deputy that went to high school with her stepped in and vouched for her. ICE said “we’ll get you next time bitch” as she drove off.

You GOP apologists are just scum.

Were they profiling?

 

[laughing dog]

ICE tried to detain a friend last Thursday. She was on her way to work. They decided to run a little check point in an area where there are a lot of migrant farm workers. She is a citizen on her way to an academic job of the science type.

She produced a Real ID driver license. Not enough, could be fake. Birth certificate produced. That was suspicious because why would she have it if she were a citizen. Likely also fake then. He was trying to remove her from the vehicle to detain her until she could prove that the documents weren’t fake. A sheriff deputy that went to high school with her stepped in and vouched for her. ICE said “we’ll get you next time bitch” as she drove off.

You GOP apologists are just scum.

Were they profiling?

Oh no, that would a less than a pure belief in her legality as a resident!

 

[TSwizzle]

ICE tried to detain a friend last Thursday. She was on her way to work. They decided to run a little check point in an area where there are a lot of migrant farm workers. She is a citizen on her way to an academic job of the science type.

She produced a Real ID driver license. Not enough, could be fake. Birth certificate produced. That was suspicious because why would she have it if she were a citizen. Likely also fake then. He was trying to remove her from the vehicle to detain her until she could prove that the documents weren’t fake. A sheriff deputy that went to high school with her stepped in and vouched for her. ICE said “we’ll get you next time bitch” as she drove off.

You GOP apologists are just scum.

I’ll take “Things That Never Happened “ for $500, Alex.

 

[Harry Bosch]

ICE tried to detain a friend last Thursday. She was on her way to work. They decided to run a little check point in an area where there are a lot of migrant farm workers. She is a citizen on her way to an academic job of the science type.

She produced a Real ID driver license. Not enough, could be fake. Birth certificate produced. That was suspicious because why would she have it if she were a citizen. Likely also fake then. He was trying to remove her from the vehicle to detain her until she could prove that the documents weren’t fake. A sheriff deputy that went to high school with her stepped in and vouched for her. ICE said “we’ll get you next time bitch” as she drove off.

You GOP apologists are just scum.

I’ll take “Things That Never Happened “ for $500, Alex.

?? This type of thing of happening all over the country? Why do you think that they wear masks? You think that they are sensitive and don't want to spread their germs to people or something??