Immigration, Rule Of Law, And Obstruction of Justice

[Worldtraveller]

Do you have evidence that "LA city hall" would allow violent offenders to be released?

Why do you think they would be any different than San Francisco, another sanctuary city? And they most definitely did release a felon who was deported five times rather than turn him over to ICE. Of course, that illegal (José Inez García Zárate) then went on to kill Kate Steinle. But that's a small price to pay for not deporting felonious illegals, right?

Well, I'm very open to the possibility that I'm completely wrong. But it's been my experience that conservatives don't have evidence for their assertions. So, I'm very suspicious. But please prove me wrong. You're saying that evidence that authorities let violent offenders go free is Jose Inez Garcia Zarate's shooting of Kate Steinle. Good deal. We're making progress. Now, just to soothe my suspicious mind, could you tell us the specific violent offense that Jose committed in one of the five offenses?

The irony of seeing Derec suddenly concerned for the life of a single person (and a woman no less!) should not be lost on anybody here. Like the ICE fellaters, they don't care about the lives of people unless they can use it as a prop to support their bigotry and authoritarian urges.

 

[Angry Floof]

You would have to have a heart of stone not to feel for these poor hard working "immigrants";

Washington's new sanctuary law is among the strongest in the nation, barring local police from assisting federal immigration enforcement officers in any way.
In signing the law, Democratic Governor Jay Inslee said, 'We will not be complicit in the Trump administration's depraved efforts to break up hard-working immigrant and refugee families.'

In February, Fidel Lopez, 52, pleaded guilty to raping his fiancee's Lhasa Apso mix in Portland, Oregon. While he was being held in the Multnomah County Jail, ICE officials interviewed him and determined that he was an illegally present Mexican citizen.

Mexican man is accused of killing wife after Portland jail ignored ICE detainer and released him

Honduran man 'kills and dismembers his cousin' after Washington cops released him without notifying ICE

Convicted rapist 'returns to victimize same wheelchair-bound woman' after Seattle officials release him in defiance of ICE detainer

DailyMail

You might as well cite Fox News. The Daily Mail's main purpose is to hijack the prejudices of ignorant bigots.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You would have to have a heart of stone not to feel for these poor hard working "immigrants";

Washington's new sanctuary law is among the strongest in the nation, barring local police from assisting federal immigration enforcement officers in any way.
In signing the law, Democratic Governor Jay Inslee said, 'We will not be complicit in the Trump administration's depraved efforts to break up hard-working immigrant and refugee families.'

In February, Fidel Lopez, 52, pleaded guilty to raping his fiancee's Lhasa Apso mix in Portland, Oregon. While he was being held in the Multnomah County Jail, ICE officials interviewed him and determined that he was an illegally present Mexican citizen.

Mexican man is accused of killing wife after Portland jail ignored ICE detainer and released him

Honduran man 'kills and dismembers his cousin' after Washington cops released him without notifying ICE

Convicted rapist 'returns to victimize same wheelchair-bound woman' after Seattle officials release him in defiance of ICE detainer

DailyMail

...and we bounce from one fallacy to the next.

 

[Trausti]

You would have to have a heart of stone not to feel for these poor hard working "immigrants";

Washington's new sanctuary law is among the strongest in the nation, barring local police from assisting federal immigration enforcement officers in any way.
In signing the law, Democratic Governor Jay Inslee said, 'We will not be complicit in the Trump administration's depraved efforts to break up hard-working immigrant and refugee families.'

In February, Fidel Lopez, 52, pleaded guilty to raping his fiancee's Lhasa Apso mix in Portland, Oregon. While he was being held in the Multnomah County Jail, ICE officials interviewed him and determined that he was an illegally present Mexican citizen.

Mexican man is accused of killing wife after Portland jail ignored ICE detainer and released him

Honduran man 'kills and dismembers his cousin' after Washington cops released him without notifying ICE

Convicted rapist 'returns to victimize same wheelchair-bound woman' after Seattle officials release him in defiance of ICE detainer

DailyMail

You might as well cite Fox News. The Daily Mail's main purpose is to hijack the prejudices of ignorant bigots.

Ignorant bigot: belief that one's government should put the interests of its citizens above the interests of foreigners.

 

[Angry Floof]

You might as well cite Fox News. The Daily Mail's main purpose is to hijack the prejudices of ignorant bigots.

Ignorant bigot: belief that one's government should put the interests of its citizens above the interests of foreigners.

Ignorant bigot: belief that your fellow human beings are to blame for all your troubles, but only the powerless among us. The powerful do not need to be questioned.

Tribalism has never, ever served the peace or well being of any human society.

 

[Trausti]

You might as well cite Fox News. The Daily Mail's main purpose is to hijack the prejudices of ignorant bigots.

Ignorant bigot: belief that one's government should put the interests of its citizens above the interests of foreigners.

Ignorant bigot: belief that your fellow human beings are to blame for all your troubles, but only the powerless among us. The powerful do not need to be questioned.

Isn't that the whole lefty mantra?

 

[Angry Floof]

Ignorant bigot: belief that your fellow human beings are to blame for all your troubles, but only the powerless among us. The powerful do not need to be questioned.

Isn't that the whole lefty mantra?

In whose fantasy? The "lefty" mantra is about equality and *everyone's* rights, *everyone* being included and counted, *everyone's* needs being met by a society that can meet those needs many times over.

It's the "righty" mantra to exclude, demonize, punish, and even eradicate whole chunks of society.

Something I've noticed about all the right wing morons I've argued with over the last couple years - when I call them on their utter lack of empathy and compassion, they never argue that point. Never.

If it were me that someone was accusing of having no compassion or empathy, I'd be pissed. I'd say yes, I damn well do have compassion and empathy, and that compassion and empathy are not just in how I feel and regard my fellow human beings. It's also reflected in my world view and my values and principles.

But I've never gotten that response from authoritarian followers when their callousness and inhumane world view is called out. I guess they know they have no argument there.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Something I've noticed about all the right wing morons I've argued with over the last couple years - when I call them on their utter lack of empathy and compassion, they never argue that point. Never.

If it were me that someone was accusing of having no compassion or empathy, I'd be pissed. I'd say yes, I damn well do have compassion and empathy, and that compassion and empathy are not just in how I feel and regard my fellow human beings. It's also reflected in my world view and my values and principles.

But I've never gotten that response from authoritarian followers when their callousness and inhumane world view is called out. I guess they know they have no argument there.

This is an excellent point.

They never argue that point. They simply try to justify/rationalize it (and make fun of 'libtards' for actually having those qualities, so yeah).

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You might as well cite Fox News. The Daily Mail's main purpose is to hijack the prejudices of ignorant bigots.

Ignorant bigot: belief that one's government should put the interests of its citizens above the interests of foreigners.

Since when did you give a darn about "the citizens"? Right-wingers are always whining about how the Government shouldn't be helping the citizens... and now they are arguing otherwise.

 

[Angry Floof]

You might as well cite Fox News. The Daily Mail's main purpose is to hijack the prejudices of ignorant bigots.

Ignorant bigot: belief that one's government should put the interests of its citizens above the interests of foreigners.

Since when did you give a darn about "the citizens"? Right-wingers are always whining about how the Government shouldn't be helping the citizens... and now they are arguing otherwise.

Without having any actual principles to guide them, right wing authoritarian followers are left with "No, YOU" as their only argument to every criticism, no matter how comical and contrary to their actual stated, demonstrated views.

 

[ronburgundy]

In the same way that corporations like externalize the real cost of their workforce who have to use welfare, the "broken" immigration system of "wink-wink" non enforcement is a boon for them.

Isn't it kind of strange that leftists and corporations are on the same side of this issue?

The same companies that are sucking the American people dry need more grist for the mill.

http://documents.nam.org/PA/FINAL_DACA_CMASAG_Letter_Final_Passage.pdf

That's no more "strange" than the fact that a secular atheists and a theocratic Muslims are both are against the US government being turned into a Christian theocracy.

Any particular policy position can be based in very different motives/ethics that are diametrically opposed to other motives/ethics for the same position.

Likewise surgeons and a murderers both want to cut a people open with a knife.

 

[repoman]

You might as well cite Fox News. The Daily Mail's main purpose is to hijack the prejudices of ignorant bigots.

Ignorant bigot: belief that one's government should put the interests of its citizens above the interests of foreigners.

Since when did you give a darn about "the citizens"? Right-wingers are always whining about how the Government shouldn't be helping the citizens... and now they are arguing otherwise.

You confused foreign nationals with US citizens? Are you also stuck in the consensus trance?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Ignorant bigot: belief that your fellow human beings are to blame for all your troubles, but only the powerless among us. The powerful do not need to be questioned.

Isn't that the whole lefty mantra?

In whose fantasy? The "lefty" mantra is about equality and *everyone's* rights, *everyone* being included and counted, *everyone's* needs being met by a society that can meet those needs many times over.

It's the "righty" mantra to exclude, demonize, punish, and even eradicate whole chunks of society.

Something I've noticed about all the right wing morons I've argued with over the last couple years - when I call them on their utter lack of empathy and compassion, they never argue that point. Never.

If it were me that someone was accusing of having no compassion or empathy, I'd be pissed. I'd say yes, I damn well do have compassion and empathy, and that compassion and empathy are not just in how I feel and regard my fellow human beings. It's also reflected in my world view and my values and principles.

But I've never gotten that response from authoritarian followers when their callousness and inhumane world view is called out. I guess they know they have no argument there.

You're not rebutting him.

Both sides have their problems.

The left blames everyone else for the situation, even when it should be obvious that the failings are internal.

The right blames the person for the situation even when it should be obvious that the problem is external or bad luck. (For example, disability.)

 

[Angry Floof]

In whose fantasy? The "lefty" mantra is about equality and *everyone's* rights, *everyone* being included and counted, *everyone's* needs being met by a society that can meet those needs many times over.

It's the "righty" mantra to exclude, demonize, punish, and even eradicate whole chunks of society.

Something I've noticed about all the right wing morons I've argued with over the last couple years - when I call them on their utter lack of empathy and compassion, they never argue that point. Never.

If it were me that someone was accusing of having no compassion or empathy, I'd be pissed. I'd say yes, I damn well do have compassion and empathy, and that compassion and empathy are not just in how I feel and regard my fellow human beings. It's also reflected in my world view and my values and principles.

But I've never gotten that response from authoritarian followers when their callousness and inhumane world view is called out. I guess they know they have no argument there.

You're not rebutting him.

Both sides have their problems.

The left blames everyone else for the situation, even when it should be obvious that the failings are internal.

The right blames the person for the situation even when it should be obvious that the problem is external or bad luck. (For example, disability.)

And you live in a bootlicking delusion. Thanks for letting everyone know that you cannot ever be relied upon to solve any problems or do any good in the world whatsoever.

 

[Trausti]

In whose fantasy? The "lefty" mantra is about equality and *everyone's* rights, *everyone* being included and counted, *everyone's* needs being met by a society that can meet those needs many times over.

It's the "righty" mantra to exclude, demonize, punish, and even eradicate whole chunks of society.

Something I've noticed about all the right wing morons I've argued with over the last couple years - when I call them on their utter lack of empathy and compassion, they never argue that point. Never.

If it were me that someone was accusing of having no compassion or empathy, I'd be pissed. I'd say yes, I damn well do have compassion and empathy, and that compassion and empathy are not just in how I feel and regard my fellow human beings. It's also reflected in my world view and my values and principles.

But I've never gotten that response from authoritarian followers when their callousness and inhumane world view is called out. I guess they know they have no argument there.

You're not rebutting him.

Both sides have their problems.

The left blames everyone else for the situation, even when it should be obvious that the failings are internal.

The right blames the person for the situation even when it should be obvious that the problem is external or bad luck. (For example, disability.)

And you live in a bootlicking delusion. Thanks for letting everyone know that you cannot ever be relied upon to solve any problems or do any good in the world whatsoever.

You're quite good at non sequitur.

 

[repoman]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In whose fantasy? The "lefty" mantra is about equality and *everyone's* rights, *everyone* being included and counted, *everyone's* needs being met by a society that can meet those needs many times over.

It's the "righty" mantra to exclude, demonize, punish, and even eradicate whole chunks of society.

Something I've noticed about all the right wing morons I've argued with over the last couple years - when I call them on their utter lack of empathy and compassion, they never argue that point. Never.

If it were me that someone was accusing of having no compassion or empathy, I'd be pissed. I'd say yes, I damn well do have compassion and empathy, and that compassion and empathy are not just in how I feel and regard my fellow human beings. It's also reflected in my world view and my values and principles.

But I've never gotten that response from authoritarian followers when their callousness and inhumane world view is called out. I guess they know they have no argument there.

You're not rebutting him.

Both sides have their problems.

The left blames everyone else for the situation, even when it should be obvious that the failings are internal.

The right blames the person for the situation even when it should be obvious that the problem is external or bad luck. (For example, disability.)

And you live in a bootlicking delusion. Thanks for letting everyone know that you cannot ever be relied upon to solve any problems or do any good in the world whatsoever.

How is this supposed to be a reasonable response to what I said?

 

[Angry Floof]

And you live in a bootlicking delusion. Thanks for letting everyone know that you cannot ever be relied upon to solve any problems or do any good in the world whatsoever.

How is this supposed to be a reasonable response to what I said?

The reasonable response was the part about delusion.

 

[Gun Nut]

The non enforcement of immigration law is the actual law now.

That's really weird if true

Weird like how your State cannot arrest you for evading Federal taxes? Arkansas is releasing thousands of offenders every week!!!

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

And you live in a bootlicking delusion. Thanks for letting everyone know that you cannot ever be relied upon to solve any problems or do any good in the world whatsoever.

How is this supposed to be a reasonable response to what I said?

I think she was testing you to see if you'd get angry and declare how you are not a callous inhumane person, and maybe slander her as she routinely does to others, to display your passion. If you did try to defend against her slander, she would ignore it or pretend you are lying. If you responded to her with insults on the level she spews at you, she'd play victim and you'd get a "warning". As you didn't do either, I think she thinks you've made her point for her, and that you accept that you are a callous and inhumane person.

This is the "logic" of the illiberal. You don't care about anyone or anything, Loren, and you don't want to do any good for the world whatsoever, because you don't blindly march in lock step with her thought leaders, and because you instead noted there are flaws on both the right and left. Oh, and that also makes you, and not her, the authoritarian follower. How dare you??? You monster.