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Well, as I said, he lives in US, maybe he got it from you.
Anyway, I read somewhere that most russians in US support Trump. I suspect mostly because of money.
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Anyway, I read somewhere that most russians in US support Trump. I suspect mostly because of money.
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Makes sense that a grammar nazi is a Trumper.
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Parler was supporting a coup attempt. That's going to make them a pariah. Ever hear of aiding and abetting?
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The article says their own lawyers dumped them. That's not really a liberal issue.
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Damn, didn't know I had all that power. I mean, throughout my career I would have always said to my bosses, "fuck you, I won't write code for nazis and terrorists", I have never had to do so. But now, somehow, that I would say that makes me more powerful than banks willing to loan Tump billions of dollars. Who would have thought?
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They can just have him do
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USUbB-kg6P4[/YOUTUBE]
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Also, kinda makes my heart go pitter-pat when
"Businesses deny service to violent Nazis" is equated with "Liberals take over industry."
"Businesses deny service to violent Nazis" is equated with "Liberals take over industry."
Wow, that’s messed up. Vertigo!
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Parler is the preferred social media platform for QAnnon supporters. That's why Amazon stopped hosting it
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Does Zoid realize that a good percentage of these Trump supporters voted for Obama? Many of them never were conservatives, other than their fear of having their guns taking away, or their desire for a Christian theocracy. Some of them simply lost their minds after becoming victims of a charismatic cult leader.
I don't think Zoid has a clue as to what's going on in the US. And, btw there are plenty of intellectual conservative outlets and writers in the US but the Trump supporters aren't interested in reading them. Trump should have been banned from Twitter a long time ago, since he broke so many of Twitter's rules, but because he was the president, Twitter allowed him to remain right up until he incited violence and encouraged insurrection against his own country. Imo, the real reason they left him on was probably due to trying to push up the price of their stock.
Free speech has limits. We Americans were all taught that in grammar school. Making threats of violence toward someone has always been a crime in the US, as. has been making terroristic threats, etc.
And, for fuck's sake, Zoid, stop claiming that what Twitter and the rest of social media did was an example of cancel culture. It's not. Since when is condemning someone for inciting violence the same thing as condemning someone for something minor they said or did in many cases, decades ago? I don't know if this thread was simply started as a way to get dramatic replies, but it sure looks that way to me.
Why isn't it cancel culture?
I think the guy is an inept leader who doesn't understand cause and effect. A petulant child.
Explain why Amazon must be compelled to be affiliated with QAnon supporters if it doesn't want to.
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If tomorrow, Amazon decided on a whim to shut down BLM websites, or Apple decided to remove the Mastodon app from their store because someone in there made insulting comments about Tim Cook, you wouldn't think there is any problem with that? How about restaurants refusing service to people based on skin color or accent?
Who gave these companies the power to decide what politics or opinions are acceptable?
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What if it isn't about the politics and opinions of their clients, but rather about... the crimes... and clear propensity for criminal activity?
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I already did previously. Amazon likes money. They want to do things that generates money. They want to stop doing things that costs them money. They are afraid that if they host Parler it will reflect badly upon them, and they will lose revenue. I somehow doubt they have any moral qualms either way.
Why could this impact negatively upon their business? That's the big question that leftists continually fail to ask. We like to brand ourselves the defenders of the weak and marginalised. It's one thing to use the power of concerted boycotts to take down things like Apartheid. Quite another to use your power to crush a marginal movement of loony anti-vaxxers who believe that Obama was a space alien. These people clearly aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. Do we really feel so threatened by them that we're trying to crush their voices? They belong to a category of people where the more rope we give them they will eventually hang themselves.
Or to put it another way. What are we afraid of? These people are idiots. Can't they be allowed to be stupid? Why do we feel the need to take away their voices? And we are doing it. "We" is a society that unreflecting supports censorship.
In Sweden there's a famous website called Flashback. It's as old as the Internet. In the early Internet Neo-Nazis where having their hosting cancelled as soon as they posted anything. A journalist and leftist liberal punk rocker called Jan Axelsson became annoyed at this and allowed the Neo-Nazis on his site and made sure the site stayed up. That's the kind of guy I am.
I'm perfectly fine with people discussing attacks on the government and revolution. It'll keep the government on their toes. Prevent them from taking their citizens for granted. And above all, it's a sign of a healthy democracy and healthy public debate.
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And check this out
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgq...-hackers-say-they-downloaded-everything-first
Is this really a service that we need to suppress? They are IDIOTS. Where's the existential threat to our society?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgq...-hackers-say-they-downloaded-everything-first
Is this really a service that we need to suppress? They are IDIOTS. Where's the existential threat to our society?
I really dislike the alternative which is forbidding these companies to regulate their own fucking product. Discriminating against people who support domestic terrorism is fine - discrimination against race gender or sexuality is not. Why is that so fucking hard?
Yep. So why are you making it a left vs right issue?
Speak for yourself. I brand myself as a middle-age obstinate cunt. And I have no problem telling Anti-vaxxer QAnon morons to go and get fucked because giving them a platform tacitly gives their bullshit views legitimacy. The golden rule for de-escalating a situation where someone is having a psychotic episode is that you don't feed their delusions. That's how capitols get stormed and Pizza shops get shot at. So no, I don't think Amazon, Google etc are in anyway obligated to host bullshit, clear bullshit, on their platforms or incitements to terrorism because of some ivory tower "both sides" bullshit equanimity.
No it fucking isn't. That attitude devolves into, "Wah! My side lost! Everyone gather your pitchforks and let's go fuck *them* up!" very quickly. Believe it or not, there are ways to hold politicians to account without advocating acts of terrorism.