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India-Pakistan three-day war

Hindus and Muslims have been at war since the Brits left India. Atrocities on both sides when the Brits pulled out.. Gandhi was assassinated in large part for trying to bridge Muslim and Hindu.

I have no sympathy for cultures that willfully perpetuate hatred based in race, ethnicity, and religion.

At least the west tries to create an environment of tolerance. Trump being an exception.
 
I have no sympathy for cultures that willfully perpetuate hatred based in race, rthnicity, and religion.
One doesn't get to choose their race or ethnicity.
Which makes religious hatred the most hateful hatred of all.
I hate it.
 
Im glad that it is over and you and your family are safe.
We had no worry about it. We knew it will only be at the terror locations on the border, and nuclear bombs are just for boasting.
Even Pakistanis hugely enjoyed the war and were sorry that it ended so soon.


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Im glad that it is over and you and your family are safe.
We had no worry about it. We knew it will only be at the terror locations on the border, and nuclear bombs are just for boasting.
Even Pakistanis hugely enjoyed the war and were sorry that it ended so soon.
It hasn't ended. Not one thing has changed. It's just on a temporary pause.
 
It hasn't ended. Not one thing has changed. It's just on a temporary pause.
You are correct. It has not ended but the fireworks are over.
(Pakistan is reported to be out of action for at least six months)
 
It hasn't ended. Not one thing has changed. It's just on a temporary pause.
You are correct. It has not ended but the fireworks are over.
(Pakistan is reported to be out of action for at least six months)
I have no doubt that in Pakistan, India is reported to be out of action for at least six months.

What either country is reporting has very little to do with the facts of the situation.

Neither side achieved a single solitary thing, so inevitably both are crowing about their "success" for domestic consumption.
 

Since the partition of British India in 1947 and subsequent creation of the dominions of India and Pakistan, the two countries have been involved in a number of wars, conflicts, and military standoffs. A long-running dispute over Kashmir and cross-border terrorism have been the predominant cause of conflict between the two states, with the exception of the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, which occurred as a direct result of hostilities stemming from the Bangladesh Liberation War in erstwhile East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).

In contrast post WWII The EU and NATO developed. Mutually assured survival and prosperity instead of mutually assured destruction.

China and Russia appear to be in the pre WWII mind set. India and Pakistan in this day and age are still acting out very old grudges,.

It is western liberal democracies that try to broker peace and profitable trade. Mantain a glabl order.

The rest is anarchy.

On the left here it is politically incorrect to be critical about any culture for any reason.

South Africa past white minority rule is unable to stabilize. Riddled with crime and corruption. Nigeria with its resources unstable. Tribal conflicts.

Sudan and Ethiopia.

Tjhe3 best minds from Europe and North America for many decades have tried to broker peace and failed.

For some cultures the conclusion is it is endemic to the culture. Ethnic, tribal, religion, race based conflicts.

I am out of empathy. Let India and Pakistan slaughter each other until they are all gone or get sick of it,.
 
It is western liberal democracies that try to broker peace and profitable trade. Mantain a glabl order.

The rest is anarchy.
It was the British - a "western liberal democracy" - that broke up India along religious and ethnic lines, causing decades of bitter conflict. That's not exactly "broker[ing] peace and profitable trade".

Of course, we could write this off as an error of judgement; An unexpected consequence of a well meaning act.

If they hadn't done the exact same thing in Ireland. And in Palestine.

Western liberal democracies are keen on peace, prosperity and free trade in western liberal democracies. Elsewhere, not so much. The British Empire was about getting as much as possible from the colonies for as little as possible in return; And if the people living there didn't like it, well, that's what the Royal Navy was for.

When British Naval (and French, German, Belgian, and Dutch Military) power was sapped by the destruction of WWII, the colonial powers had no option but to allow the colonies their independence. They didn't have to give them a good start though - indeed, strife and conflict was deliberately engendered, to minimise the risk of any new powers (military or economic) arising that might challenge the interests of the colonial nations.

The conclusion that anarchy is endemic to post colonial culture is exactly the one the colonial powers wanted to present. Ethnic, tribal, religion, and race based conflicts were deliberately provoked, just so the colonials could say "See! We told you they couldn't manage without us!".

And you have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.

Insofar as developing world (and for that matter, Middle Eastern) cultures are incapable of peace, order, rule of law, and democracy, they are like that because they were deliberately made to be that way - by the very "Western liberal democracies" you hold in such unjustified esteem.
 
Neither side achieved a single solitary thing, so inevitably both are crowing about their "success" for domestic consumption.
What we consider as success was bombing of 9 major centers of terrorism (indoctrination, training and dispatch) in which reportedly some 160 of them died on the night of May 7, the first night of the war.
If Pakistan would not have sent the drones on May 8, we would not have pursued it. But on the night of May 8th, they again sent drones and missiles, so we destroyed their air-defence and radar system. They again sent drones on the night of May 9, that is when we bombed 11 of their air-bases. That was enough for Pakistan.

There is no anarchy in India. It has a 76 year old Constitution, an effective Supreme Court, an efficient army which does not have any desire to dominate the political field and elections have always been held on time, more fairly now than at any times earlier.

This was something that we had to do after years of provocation. Don't worry. It did not change anything in India. Rupee and the share-price index are just as stable as it was before.
 
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This was something that we had to do after years of provocation.
No, it wasn't.

And it achieved three eighths of fuck all. So if you had to do it, then you still have to. But you didn't, you don't, and you shouldn't.

It's all just stupid beyond belief on both sides - which makes it unremarkable amongst global conflicts, were it not for the fact that both beligerents have nuclear weapons.

And here you are, a prating coxcomb, loudly proclaiming your joy at pointless conflict, and swelling your chest with nationalistic pride and jingoism, apparently oblivious to the fact that your co-belligerents are engaged in the same futility over their own nationalistic delusions about the exact same events.

Fucking grow up.
 
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And it achieved three eighths of fuck all. So if you had to do it, then you still have to. But you didn't, you don't, and you shouldn't.
Does your country have as exalted neighbors as Pakistan, China and Bangladesh; two of them with nuclear bombs?
We had to do something which probably your country does not have to do. (Crocs, but not the gators, Australia?)

The most perfect measure of the success of a military action are the following:
1. Who asked for cease-fire: Pakistan did.
2. How long it took them to capitulate: on the fourth morning of the war.*
3. Who dictated the terms of cease-fire: India did, including the continuation of the suspension of the Indus water treaty.

* Actually Gen. Munir phoned PM Shahbaz at 2.30 am on the night of May 9 that Noor Khan air base, their most important, near Rawalpindi, where Pakistan has its GHQ, was inoperative. Gen. Munir has been rewarded for his war efforts with the position of Field Marshal, perhaps the only time ever that a defeated General has been decorated. Such are the ways of the world. The grapewine says PM Shahbaz is soon to be replaced (I won't say by whom).

Q.E.D.
 
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The most perfect measure of the success of a military action are the following:
1. Who asked for cease-fire: Pakistan did.
2. How long it took them to capitulate: on the fourth morning of the war.*
3. Who dictated the terms of cease-fire: India did, including the continuation of the suspension of the Indus water treaty.
1. Who asked for cease-fire: Everyone did.
2. How long it took them to capitulate: Nobody capitulated.
3. Who dictated the terms of cease-fire: Nobody did.

Your propaganda is exactly mirrored in Islamabad; They think, like you, that they won. They, like you, are wrong. They, like you, don't care, won't listen, and are ready to make the exact same mistakes all over again, only more so, because they believe their own jingoistic bullshit.

As you note, nobody promotes a General to Field Marshall because they think they were defeated. You just lack the ability to grasp that they disagree with you about the outcome of the conflict.

Both sides believe that they won. Both are deeply mistaken, and are blundering into a pointless escalation as a consequence.

Again.
 
Nobody knows Pakistanis better than Indians. But either you are grossly ill-informed or grossly biased about the recent war.
 
By next year, we may have SU-57s and Match-5 Brahmos cruise missiles. They have already been tested. At the moment they are Mach 2.8.

An Australian expert talks to CNN (none too friendly with India) about the war.

No, we did not bomb Pakistan's nuclear facilities, though we could have done that easily. This because no body is going to use nuclear bombs. If we wanted to do this we had all the time and all the equipment to do this, and Pakistan was in no position to stop us.
Part II of the discussion shows that CNN has an anti-India view. We have said that emphatically, repeatedly and today right there in the US that US played no part in the cease-fire. VP Vance talked to Foreign Minister Jaishankar that Pakistan wants cease-fire. Jaishankar told Vance that Pakistan DGMO should talk to the Indian DGMO and that is what was done. It was as simple as that.
Currently, a delegation of Indian Parliamentarians in in the US, and I am sure the US press must have asked or will ask them on this.
The leader of the Indian delegation has asked if this could be considered 'mediation'?
Australia too (if you are an Australian) have apprehensions about China, that is why it is a part of QUAD.
 
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Let us see what Pakistan does now. Modi (InshAllah) is here for four more years, before he relinquishes his responsibilities in April 2029.
 
You say that like it's a good thing.
Yes, we will be better equipped than what we are today.

Let us see what happens in Pakistan. Does Shahbaz really go? Not to worry, we have Modi with us (InshAllah) for four more years.
 
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