Indictment coming for Netanyahu

[Jarhyn]

Man this whole thread reads like someone is in denial over why Israel suffers from Palestinian terrorism. After all, Christians in America are just as crazy, but it turns out when you don't put the crazy people in ghettos, don't deny them food and water and trade, let them have access to healthcare, and provide them with a quality education, they blow less shit up.

Terrorism has a cause and the cause isn't the people doing it being a different shade of brown. Generally the cause is the people doing it being put in a shitty spot and seeing no other way out. It doesn't really matter much what brand of crazy they worship because everyone has their own brand of crazy.

 

[Derec]

What concessions did Ehud Barak make?

Barak offered >90% of Judea and Samaria, in addition to whole of Gaza, for Palestinians to make their state on.
Arafat refused, because he demanded all of East Jerusalem and also for 4 million descendants of 1948 refugees to be allowed to move into Israel (as a demographic ticking time bomb).
Then he started a campaign of terror using Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount as a pretext.

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Terrorism has a cause and the cause is

Islam.

 

[Jarhyn]

Barak offered >90% of Judea and Samaria, in addition to whole of Gaza, for Palestinians to make their state on.
Arafat refused, because he demanded all of East Jerusalem and also for 4 million descendants of 1948 refugees to be allowed to move into Israel (as a demographic ticking time bomb).
Then he started a campaign of terror using Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount as a pretext.

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Terrorism has a cause and the cause is

Islam.

For something to be causal it must be necessary and sufficient. I know plenty of Islamic people who aren't dicks, who are only exactly as crazy as my parents, and there are plenty of people who are terroristic without Islam.

 

[iolo]

After all, many, many Americans supported the IRA when it was killing people in England, and they hold to Mammon rather than Islam.

 

[Jarhyn]

After all, many, many Americans supported the IRA when it was killing people in England, and they hold to Mammon rather than Islam.

It all comes down to a particular kind of situation going on among the people who are acting out, generally a lack of access to resources and education. And black market bullets are cheaper than political power.

 

[iolo]

After all, many, many Americans supported the IRA when it was killing people in England, and they hold to Mammon rather than Islam.

It all comes down to a particular kind of situation going on among the people who are acting out, generally a lack of access to resources and education. And black market bullets are cheaper than political power.

What it comes down to is that if you occupy someone else's country and steal their houses and land, they will resist. It will also be remembered, often inaccurately, for many generations.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He made Israel safer.

No he didn't.

He turned Israel into a hated pariah.

And empowered terrorists by conducting terrorism.

He's a bigoted ignorant asshole.

Only psychos lost on the far right can't see it.

The Islamists have turned Israel into a hated pariah.

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At that level I think there are only two categories of politician: Those that have been caught and those that haven't.

You mean, like Nelson Mandela?

Ok, it's true I can't think of any other example...

Oh dear!
EB

I meant caught for corruption. I don't think anyone gets to the top seat without having a few skeletons in their closet.

 

[untermensche]

No he didn't.

He turned Israel into a hated pariah.

And empowered terrorists by conducting terrorism.

He's a bigoted ignorant asshole.

Only psychos lost on the far right can't see it.

The Islamists have turned Israel into a hated pariah.

Have the Islamists been stealing land nonstop for decades?

Have the Islamists been putting restrictions on the lives of Israelis?

Been throwing Israelis out of homes?

 

[Jayjay]

Sometimes you just can't get rid of an indictment.

 

[Derec]

Have the Islamists been stealing land nonstop for decades?

Islamists have been stealing land ever since Mohammed.

Have the Islamists been putting restrictions on the lives of Israelis?

Yes, when you are blown up by a Hamas rocket or a PIJ suicide bomber, your life is severely restricted, so to speak.

Been throwing Israelis out of homes?

More like murdering them in their homes.

 

[untermensche]

Islamists have been stealing land ever since Mohammed.

Insanity. The ignorance and bigotry is clear.

The Palestinians have stolen no land from Israel.

Israel has stolen land non-stop from the Palestinians for decades.

When one nation is crushing another and stealing from it non-stop the motives of the oppressor are clear.

 

[LordKiran]

Islamists have been stealing land ever since Mohammed.

Kind of a moot point given that conquest and warfare was par for the course for much of human history. In recent history though? When was the last time a nominally Islamic nation has annexed land from a foreign entity?

 

[Derec]

Kind of a moot point given that conquest and warfare was par for the course for much of human history. In recent history though? When was the last time a nominally Islamic nation has annexed land from a foreign entity?

Does Iraq invading Kuwait count?
Or how about this?
Iran’s moves to annex UAE islands slammed

Sure these are small potatoes, but that's due to relative lack of military strength of Islamic countries in the 20th and 21st centuries and not due to lack of expansionist spirit.

 

[Derec]

Insanity. The ignorance and bigotry is clear.

No. Yours is.

The Palestinians have stolen no land from Israel.

That's because "the Palestinians" as an ethnic group are of a fairly recent provenance.
They are Arabs, and Arabs who invaded the Levant have stolen land. They have even build a mosque and a dome on top of Judaism's holiest site.

Israel has stolen land non-stop from the Palestinians for decades.

Israel gained territory by winning wars that were started by Arab states against Israel in 1948, 1967 and 1973. They also returned most of the captured territory in return for a peace treaty.
 Camp David Accords

When one nation is crushing another and stealing from it non-stop the motives of the oppressor are clear.

Palestinians could have had a state a long time ago. The problem is that they want the whole enchilada.

 

[Arctish]

No. Yours is.

The Palestinians have stolen no land from Israel.

That's because "the Palestinians" as an ethnic group are of a fairly recent provenance.
They are Arabs, and Arabs who invaded the Levant have stolen land. They have even build a mosque and a dome on top of Judaism's holiest site.

That old saw about 'Arabs' invading the Levant so the Jews couldn't have it is bullshit.

Blood Brothers: Palestinians and Jews Share Genetic Roots:

Confronted by the violence sweeping over Israel, it can be easy to overlook the things that Jews and Palestinians share: a deep attachment to the same sliver of contested land, a shared appetite for hummus, a common tradition of descent from the patriarch Abraham, and, as scientific research shows - a common genetic ancestry, as well.

Several major studies published in the past five years attest to these ancient hereditary links. At the forefront of these efforts are two researchers: Harry Ostrer, professor of pediatrics and pathology at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx, New York, and Karl Skorecki, director of medical and research development at the Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa. Back in June 2010, and within two days of each other, the two scientists and their research teams published extensive analyses of the genetic origins of the Jewish people and their Near East ancestry.

“The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots,” as Ostrer and Skorecki wrote in a review of their findings that they co-authored in the journal Human Genetics in October 2012...

...Further evidence for the Middle Eastern origins of Ashjenazi Jews came from a study published in 2014: In that research, which appeared in Nature Communications, a team led by Shai Carmi of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem sequenced the complete genomes of 128 people of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. Their analysis revealed that the Ashkenazi Jewish population is “an even mix” of European and Middle Eastern ancestral populations—suggesting, as Carmi writes on the web site of The Ashkenazi Genome Consortium (TAGC), “a sex-biased process, where, say, Middle-Eastern Jewish men married European non-Jewish women.”

Most Palestinians Are Descendants Of Jews:

Most of what we now call “Palestinian Arabs” are descendants of Jews. Among the Bedouin that could reach 100 per cent...

...When the Jordanians took over Judea and Samaria in 1948, they found no mosques there. King Hussein built the first one.

The Crusaders when they came here found that the Arabs here spoke Aramaic, not Arabic.

Both facts would be explained if most of the “Arabs” in this land were really former or crypto-Jews.

When the original Arabians invaded, the population was comprised of a majority of Greek-speaking Christians and a large minority of Aramaic-speaking Jews.

The Arabians did not colonize the Promised Land because they saw that this population was not hostile.

Skip ahead 400 years and a Shi’ite caliph in Egypt decided to forcibly convert everyone here to Islam. The Christians cleared out. Their numbers from that day to this have remained miniscule. The Jews remained and converted.

The decree was cancelled 30 years later but only a quarter of the Jews returned to practising Judaism openly. There was a practical reason for this and you can’t blame the others. Islamic society consisted of two classes of people, superiors and inferiors or “dhimmis.” The dhimmis were hit with confiscatory taxes and had no rights. Rather than impoverish themselves, those who remained technically Muslims, left well enough alone. But there was no Inquisition among the Muslims. No one was snooping on them. They continued speaking Aramaic and paying no more than lip service to Islam.

A traveller Rabbi Yitzhak Khilu in 1300 said he met many nomad Bedouin who were Jews. They had never left the country ever.

The DNA findings back this up. The Palestinian Arabs, who are descendants of Jews, are very close to Ashkenazi Jews in their gene makeup.

There's a whole lot more information on the close genetic links between the Muslim, Christian, and Jewish Palestinians of the Levant, and the more distant relationship between the Palestinians and the Ashkenazi Jews of Europe, if you're ever inclined to look for it.

The indigenous population of the Levant is divided by religious differences, not ethnic ones. That shit came straight out of Europe.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Islamists have turned Israel into a hated pariah.

Have the Islamists been stealing land nonstop for decades?

Have the Islamists been putting restrictions on the lives of Israelis?

Been throwing Israelis out of homes?

How about almost 70 years of attacks by the Islamists?

And the security requirements do put restrictions on the lives of the Israelis. How would you like to have to teach your children about rushing for the bomb shelters when the rockets are fired timed for when they're going to school?

And while they're not in a position to throw Israelis out they're perfectly willing to throw out other Muslims if they happen to be in the way of what Hamas wants. And their intent is to at a minimum throw the Israelis out, preferably to kill them.

 

[LordKiran]

Kind of a moot point given that conquest and warfare was par for the course for much of human history. In recent history though? When was the last time a nominally Islamic nation has annexed land from a foreign entity?

Does Iraq invading Kuwait count?
Or how about this?
Iran’s moves to annex UAE islands slammed

Sure these are small potatoes, but that's due to relative lack of military strength of Islamic countries in the 20th and 21st centuries and not due to lack of expansionist spirit.

I guess but what does Islamism have to do with either of these? Is the Russian subjugation of Georgia due to Orthodox Christianity then?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Islamists have been stealing land ever since Mohammed.

Insanity. The ignorance and bigotry is clear.

The Palestinians have stolen no land from Israel.

Israel has stolen land non-stop from the Palestinians for decades.

When one nation is crushing another and stealing from it non-stop the motives of the oppressor are clear.

Haven't been stealing lands? Look how much of the world is Muslim these days. That's all stolen land, Islam advances by the sword.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No. Yours is.

That's because "the Palestinians" as an ethnic group are of a fairly recent provenance.
They are Arabs, and Arabs who invaded the Levant have stolen land. They have even build a mosque and a dome on top of Judaism's holiest site.

That old saw about 'Arabs' invading the Levant so the Jews couldn't have it is bullshit.

Your evidence has nothing to do with the claim. If that's the best you can do give up now.

 

[Arctish]

That old saw about 'Arabs' invading the Levant so the Jews couldn't have it is bullshit.

Your evidence has nothing to do with the claim. If that's the best you can do give up now.

My evidence that the Palestinians and Jews are descended from the same ancestors has nothing to do with refuting the claim that Arabs invaded the Levant so the Jews couldn't have it? Well then, how about the evidence the Palestinian people have continuously resided in the West Bank for the past 5 thousand years, and in the area around Jericho for at least 9 thousand years? Mean anything to you?