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Is accepting Jesus as messiah a sin?

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Is accepting Jesus as messiah a sin?

It seems to me, that to accept Jesus as our messiah or scapegoat, means abdication our responsibility for our sins and placing it on the messiah or scapegoat.

I think that to use a scapegoat is a sin.

If you are religious, is this the sin that you think you did to deserve hell? If not, what is it that causes you to sin to be saved?

Regards
DL
 
The single most pervasive theme that runs through the OT and NT is blood sacrifice. It's there in the crazy animal sacrifices at the start, and it's there at the end in the "glorious" sacrifice offered by God incarnate in JC -- whatever that means. So it's Biblegod's concept. If you accept the crucified savior, then you are doing Biblegod's will, or at least NT-Biblegod's will. Sin is going against God's will, isn't it?
Your post makes the bizarre nature of the thing palpable. Christopher Hitchens wrote something like, 'Some man being executed twenty centuries ago has nothing to do with my being saved or not saved.' (I can't find the quote but he said it with more panache, I'm sure.)
 
The sacricial lamb symbology predates Jesus in Hebrew mythology.

In some cuktures there have been 'sin eaters'. In a ritual people transfer their transgressions to food that the sin eater eats, absobing the guilt.

What is a b it strange is thousands of years later people believing in n ancient Hebrew prophesy interpretation of a messiah.

I suppose it could be worse, it might have been Ra or Bal.

The suffering of Jesus in Christian mystholgy exetes all sins past and future, yiu jusr have to bekuve.

I heard onr Christian say it did not matter what he does, he is saved.
 
I heard onr Christian say it did not matter what he does, he is saved.

Yeah that’s one of the things that creeps me out most about the,. That and the, “You don’t want to believe becaus eit means you’d have to behave,” letttng us knpw they ae just one faith crisis away from being an axe murderer.
 
The single most pervasive theme that runs through the OT and NT is blood sacrifice. It's there in the crazy animal sacrifices at the start, and it's there at the end in the "glorious" sacrifice offered by God incarnate in JC -- whatever that means. So it's Biblegod's concept. If you accept the crucified savior, then you are doing Biblegod's will, or at least NT-Biblegod's will. Sin is going against God's will, isn't it?
Your post makes the bizarre nature of the thing palpable. Christopher Hitchens wrote something like, 'Some man being executed twenty centuries ago has nothing to do with my being saved or not saved.' (I can't find the quote but he said it with more panache, I'm sure.)

He had years of practice.

The Jewish animal sacrifice rituals were animal, not human, and were used to refresh feelings in the tribes for social cohesion and peace.

The net has quite a bit on their rites.

On human sacrifice. I remember only one Jewish case of a promised human sacrifice that some general threatened for his daughter if a battle was won. It never happened as far as I know and arguments abound for both views.

Jews did have a messiah myth but that was an angel that was to die and not the god man Constantine created.

That myth had the resurrected stay and led. Not go away and never return.

Jesus blew it.

Regards
DL
 
The sacricial lamb symbology predates Jesus in Hebrew mythology.

In some cuktures there have been 'sin eaters'. In a ritual people transfer their transgressions to food that the sin eater eats, absobing the guilt.

What is a b it strange is thousands of years later people believing in n ancient Hebrew prophesy interpretation of a messiah.

I suppose it could be worse, it might have been Ra or Bal.

The suffering of Jesus in Christian mystholgy exetes all sins past and future, yiu jusr have to bekuve.

I heard onr Christian say it did not matter what he does, he is saved.

That is about the shit attitude believers end with.

Regards
DL
 
From a documentary I watched the Temple was a corporation as we would say today.

Ritual slaughter was big business especially during holy days. A str ream pf live animals in and dead cracases out.

The symbolism of Jesus the lamb of god would have been obvious, and highly blasphemous. A serious offense as it is today in Saudi Arabia for a comparison. The idea of a human being realted to god would meet stiff resistance and anger.
 
From a documentary I watched the Temple was a corporation as we would say today.

Ritual slaughter was big business especially during holy days. A str ream pf live animals in and dead cracases out.

The symbolism of Jesus the lamb of god would have been obvious, and highly blasphemous. A serious offense as it is today in Saudi Arabia for a comparison. The idea of a human being realted to god would meet stiff resistance and anger.

Religions, I agree, are business first. Mostly run by con men and liars.

Even Jesus had to run from the mobs when he claimed to be a son of god.

He invoked his holy book which showed him correct, as far as what scriptures said.

Gnostic Christians give that quality to all of us and that is why we are a universalist religion.

Regards
DL
 
From a documentary I watched the Temple was a corporation as we would say today.

Ritual slaughter was big business especially during holy days. A str ream pf live animals in and dead cracases out.

The symbolism of Jesus the lamb of god would have been obvious, and highly blasphemous. A serious offense as it is today in Saudi Arabia for a comparison. The idea of a human being realted to god would meet stiff resistance and anger.

Religions, I agree, are business first. Mostly run by con men and liars.

Even Jesus had to run from the mobs when he claimed to be a son of god.

He invoked his holy book which showed him correct, as far as what scriptures said.

Gnostic Christians give that quality to all of us and that is why we are a universalist religion.

Regards
DL

Every brand, variation, and sect of Christianity has its own set of rationalizations. It is all the same to me. The common thread is that they all make Jesus into their own image.

In terms of modern psychology you could interpret the gospels as Jesus being a delusional bipolar manic depressive who hears voices from a god and thought he had supernatural power, like faith healing.

In the narrative he swings from the Sermon On The Mount with the meek shall inherit the Earth, to a manic rage in the Temple. Mood swings.

In the geopolitical context of the day with civil unrest and Roman occupation he was a wandering rabbi warning of impending doom by Rome unless the Jews got their act together. He would have been one of many, and typical in the history of Jewish prophets and criotics.

He was preaching to fellow Jews.

The initial Jewish followers were co opted by gentiles who made it ther own divorced from Jus daism.

What was passed down probably had little to do with a real person.

Whatever was eventually put to paper was hearsay.
 
From a documentary I watched the Temple was a corporation as we would say today.

Ritual slaughter was big business especially during holy days. A str ream pf live animals in and dead cracases out.

The symbolism of Jesus the lamb of god would have been obvious, and highly blasphemous. A serious offense as it is today in Saudi Arabia for a comparison. The idea of a human being realted to god would meet stiff resistance and anger.

Religions, I agree, are business first. Mostly run by con men and liars.

Even Jesus had to run from the mobs when he claimed to be a son of god.

He invoked his holy book which showed him correct, as far as what scriptures said.

Gnostic Christians give that quality to all of us and that is why we are a universalist religion.

Regards
DL

Every brand, variation, and sect of Christianity has its own set of rationalizations. It is all the same to me. The common thread is that they all make Jesus into their own image.

In terms of modern psychology you could interpret the gospels as Jesus being a delusional bipolar manic depressive who hears voices from a god and thought he had supernatural power, like faith healing.

In the narrative he swings from the Sermon On The Mount with the meek shall inherit the Earth, to a manic rage in the Temple. Mood swings.

In the geopolitical context of the day with civil unrest and Roman occupation he was a wandering rabbi warning of impending doom by Rome unless the Jews got their act together. He would have been one of many, and typical in the history of Jewish prophets and criotics.

He was preaching to fellow Jews.

The initial Jewish followers were co opted by gentiles who made it ther own divorced from Jus daism.

What was passed down probably had little to do with a real person.

Whatever was eventually put to paper was hearsay.

Not much to argue against.

True that all religions are unique.

I like Gnostic Christianity because we do not shy away from the truth we read about the gods. True here is true to the myth. Not real truth.

We speak of what can be known, which is not the supernatural. Mine is a natural religion based on facts and personal knowledge.

We are the moral side of Christianity and see it as our duty to correct poor immoral thinking.

Being moralists always get one hated by the immoral.

That is why we are not shy in calling both Christians and their genocidal, homophobic and misogynous god, --- as evil.

Regards
DL
 
Remember, his genocidal, homophobic, and misogynous tendencies are balanced by his racism, egomania problem, and endorsement of chattel slavery.

Balanced???

I would say you are adding to the evil side and no balance is possible.

God I hope you were not putting your examples of evil on the evil side of the balance.

Regards
DL
 
Remember, his genocidal, homophobic, and misogynous tendencies are balanced by his racism, egomania problem, and endorsement of chattel slavery.

Balanced???

I would say you are adding to the evil side and no balance is possible.

God I hope you were not putting your examples of evil on the evil side of the balance.

Regards
DL


Which god would that be?

Anyone who claims to be a bishop can't be all bad.
 
Remember, his genocidal, homophobic, and misogynous tendencies are balanced by his racism, egomania problem, and endorsement of chattel slavery.

Balanced???

I would say you are adding to the evil side and no balance is possible.

God I hope you were not putting your examples of evil on the evil side of the balance.

Regards
DL


Which god would that be?

Anyone who claims to be a bishop can't be all bad.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Jesus that frees us from religious enslavement.

Here is a TLDR. on the name of my god.

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Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

Regards
DL
 
A sin? What is a sin?

The Jews are still waithng. Are they sinners?

More religious craziness.

IThe Jewish Yiddish word is masugana .

Does a Gnostic Christian Bishop wear robes or carry a staff?

Jesus appears to be a Jewish rabbi calling Jews back to Mosaic Law. He was not freeing anyone.

You are freely interpreting as do all all protestants, Catholics do what the ope says is right.

Are you really 'free' from ideology?
 
A sin? What is a sin?

The Jews are still waithng. Are they sinners?

More religious craziness.

IThe Jewish Yiddish word is masugana .

Does a Gnostic Christian Bishop wear robes or carry a staff?

Jesus appears to be a Jewish rabbi calling Jews back to Mosaic Law. He was not freeing anyone.

You are freely interpreting as do all all protestants, Catholics do what the ope says is right.

Are you really 'free' from ideology?

Jews follow their oral traditions more than their holy books.

They put man above god.

Jesus asked the Jews, have ye forgotten that ye are gods and that scriptures cannot be broken?

Most have thanks to the stupid literal reading of myths.

I, like all of us, hold some kind of ideology that we follow.

I would not want to be free from my ideology as it is my guide to the best rules and laws I can find.

In the case of the O P, my ideology says that I am responsible for what I do and to lay my responsibility on another is immoral.

Regards
DL
 
There you go, speaking in Old English terms. It aooears to give peole a sense of authority and righiusness.

If Jesus freed you from religion why do you call yourself a Gnostic Christian Bishop? You appear ciontradictory.

A quote from Confucius. "Wise is the wise man who gets beyond words of wisdom'.

True freedom is when religion and all that encompasses becomes irrelevant to you.

If you go by the gospels Jesus said if you are a slave be a good one, and a credit to yiuyr master.

He was not about liberation in our modern sense, according to the gospels.

When you start arguing Jesus this and Jesus that you are arguing based on interpretation and filling in the blanks. It is akll illusory and mind created. That might be a Buddhist view, we create our own angels demons, gods, heavens, and hells.

Therre are no contemporaneus accounts of Jesus. Appently he did not refister with the Romans Aany kind of threat. Josephus mentined Jesus but years laterm and like Herodutus as a commentator had no first hand knowledge.

All communcation was delayed and subject to embellishment. Herodtotus the Greek historian was called Herodotus The Liar’ because he reported things he never saw personaly and passed it off as first hand accounts. He took hearsay and presented it as first hand accounts. That was the norm. There were no journalis and biographers.

Your view of Jesus is your own creation. That may be a Buddhist view. We create our own angels, demons, gods, heavens, and hells in our minds. The idea is to get beyond the self delusions and see reality as it is.


True freedom is when religion and all that encompasses becomes irrelevant to you.

If you go by the gospels Jesus said if you are a slave be a good one, and a credit to yiuyr master.

He was not about liberation in our modern sense, according to the gospels.

When you start arguing Jesus this and Jesus that you are arguing based on interpretation and filling in the blanks. It is akll illusory and mind created. That might be a Buddhist view, we create our own angels demons, gods, heavens, and hells.

Therre are no contemporaneus accounts of Jesus. Appently he did not refister with the ROmaNS AS ANY KND OF THREAT. jOSEPHUS MENTIONS HIM, BUT THAT WAS LATER AFTER THE FACT.

aLL COUUNCATION WAS SUBJECTIVE. tHWERE WRER NO JORNALISTS OR BIOGTAPHERS.

yOUR VIEW OF jESUS IS YOUR OWN CREATION NOT BASED O ANY FACTUAL INFORMATION.
 
Why does it matter if accepting Jesus as messiah is a sin?

The idea that people need messiahs presupposes that they sinned. Pray to Jesus and you can be absolved, regardless of whatever heinous acts you may have committed.
 
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