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I had thought that it was illegal to write a law that targets and individual or a company.
Why would it be legal to write a law that gave an individual company special tax breaks but illegal to repeal that law?

Good point.

As an aside, the republicans will lose this culture war. American corporations are overwhealmingly left leaning. Think of it this way, if you were the VP of marketing, whom would you target: a) younger, open minded, liberal, enthusiastic people; or b) stick in the mud old white conservative people. I'm sorry to say that isn't even somewhat close.
 

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I had thought that it was illegal to write a law that targets and individual or a company.
Why would it be legal to write a law that gave an individual company special tax breaks but illegal to repeal that law?

Good point.

As an aside, the republicans will lose this culture war. American corporations are overwhealmingly left leaning. Think of it this way, if you were the VP of marketing, whom would you target: a) younger, open minded, liberal, enthusiastic people; or b) stick in the mud old white conservative people. I'm sorry to say that isn't even somewhat close.

Old white conservative people have more money, and fewer people pursuing it.

It's an ecosystem, and every niche will be exploited. It's easier to eat grass than it is to eat cows. Grass is plentiful, and can't run away. But carnivores are nevertheless successful, despite being less numerous, and there's no likelihood that they will die out any time soon.

The culture wars won't end just because grazing is easier than hunting.
 

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I had thought that it was illegal to write a law that targets and individual or a company.
Why would it be legal to write a law that gave an individual company special tax breaks but illegal to repeal that law?

As I understand it, it's a general tax break on aviation fuel. But Delta being based in Georgia is a major user of that tax break.
 

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https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/atlanta-mayor-issues-executive-order-against-georgias-new-voting-law/TBCD3TM3CNFYTMZCEKOKSVWFMQ/


Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms is taking action against the voting law that Gov. Brian Kemp signed on March 24.


On Tuesday afternoon, Bottoms issued an Administrative Order directing the City’s Chief Equity Officer to implement a series of actions to diminish what her office called “new voting restrictions” imposed by Senate Bill 202. Her office stated these actions will ensure every Atlanta resident can exercise their right to vote.

“The voting restrictions of SB 202 will disproportionately impact Atlanta residents—particularly in communities of color and other minority groups,” Bottoms said in a statement. “This Administrative Order is designed to do what those in the majority of the state legislature did not—expand access to our right to vote.”


The plan involves training staff members on voter registration and general information on early, absentee, and in-person voting. The city staff will provide that information to residents to ensure people know how to obtain the identification required for absentee voting.

The city is also developing plans to provide information on voter registration and absentee voting using water bills, QR Codes, and weblinks to city websites, according to the statement.

The order also seeks coordination with business and community leaders to create Public Service Announcements to explain the newest voting related deadlines and timelines.

That's a start.
 

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Fact check: Republicans falsely equate Georgia and Colorado election laws

Some of these Republicans are trying to convince Americans that baseball officials are not only wrong but hypocritical. On television and on social media, they have claimed or strongly suggested that the new Georgia law is no stricter than Colorado's elections law.

That's not even close to true.

Colorado sends a mail ballot to every active registered voter. Because of this policy and others outlined below, experts say Colorado is one of the states that make it easiest to vote; David Becker, executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research, a nonprofit, said it is "arguably at the very top of the list of easiest states to vote."

There is debate even among experts about where precisely Georgia ranks -- but it is very obviously more restrictive than Colorado. The Republican attempts to portray Colorado as Georgia's equivalent have either been plain false or lacking in essential context.

Yet they have quickly made their way around the right-wing media ecosystem. Echoing assertions uttered by others on Fox News, network reporter Peter Doocy asked White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Tuesday if the White House is concerned that Major League Baseball is moving the game to a state "where voting regulations are very similar to Georgia." Doocy's premise was simply inaccurate.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott, and various other Republicans have pointed out that Georgia's new law mandates 17 days of in-person early voting, while Colorado's in-person early voting begins 15 days prior to Election Day.

This is true -- but leaves out a critical piece of context: Colorado, unlike Georgia, sends out a mail ballot to every active registered voter. And the overwhelming majority of Colorado voters choose to vote by mail rather than in a voting booth.

In the 2020 general election, 94% of Colorado ballots cast were mail ballots, the state Secretary of State's office says. In the 2016 general election, it was 93%.

In Georgia, where voters have to request a mail ballot if they want one, about 26% of votes in the 2020 general election were mail-in votes.

The new Georgia law also prohibits the state from moving in the direction of Colorado-style mail-dominated elections. The law says mail ballots can only be provided upon a specific request from a voter. And it prohibits the secretary of state and other government officials from sending even absentee ballot applications to every active registered voter, as Raffensperger, a Republican, did for the 2020 primaries on account of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Colorado offers more access on Election Day

Colorado offers more drop box access in general

Colorado has looser voter identification requirements

Colorado has a softer restriction on handouts to voters

And there are other provisions in the link.
 

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WaPo won't let me read the link without subscribing.

What I'm seeing in your post is the power elite letting a government body know that they are in charge and not the government. CEOs are deciding this, as usual.

It's great that they're behaving ethically for once. But I don't like the concept of unelected officials telling the government what to do.

OR ELSE...
Tom
 

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The reason I warned of a WaPo link so people would know to open in an incognito window.
 

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From Axios:

Why it matters: American corporations flexed their advocacy muscles earlier this month when more than 100 companies signaled their opposition to Georgia's new voting law, inciting the wrath of GOP leaders, including former President Donald Trump and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Driving the news: During the call, executives from "major airlines, retailers and manufacturers — plus at least one NFL owner" — discussed possibly stopping donations to politicians who support bills curbing voter access and postponing investments in states that approve the controversial measures.

As first reported by the Wall Street Journal, a new statement from Corporate American could be coming this week, condemning voter discrimination and calling for greater voter access.

Saturday's call between company executives "shows they are not intimidated by the flack. They are not going to be cowed," Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, a Yale management professor and one of the call's organizers, told the Post.
 

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It's great that they're behaving ethically for once. But I don't like the concept of unelected officials telling the government what to do.
As if it isn't like this with so much US policy and law?
 

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It's great that they're behaving ethically for once. But I don't like the concept of unelected officials telling the government what to do.
As if it isn't like this with so much US policy and law?

Are you generally OK with that?
If so, then we disagree.

The fact that I agree with them in this instance doesn't change that.
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I don't like the concept of unelected officials telling the government what to do.

WTF are "unelected officials"? You mean PEOPLE?
Who else is supposed to tell the government (aka "elected officials") what to do?

The fact that people who control vast sums of money coordinate their expenditures among themselves is a simple, predictable consequence of defining money as speech.
Don't blame those people, blame the Republican court for creating and enforcing that definition.
 

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I don't like the concept of unelected officials telling the government what to do.

WTF are "unelected officials"? You mean PEOPLE?
Who else is supposed to tell the government (aka "elected officials") what to do?

The fact that people who control vast sums of money coordinate their expenditures among themselves is a simple, predictable consequence of defining money as speech.
Don't blame those people, blame the Republican court for creating and enforcing that definition.

I didn't blame anyone in particular. And, yes, I do consider Citizens United one of the worst SCOTUS rulings ever.

But while it's hypocrisy for McConnell to expect CEOs to "shut up and give us money", it's also hypocrisy to complain when CEOs buy enough influence to ram through environmental deregulation but not social reforms.

And I remember when such corporate pressure has worked for the good before. Similar pressure from big business forced Pence and the Indiana legislature to apologize for and dilute their RFRA legislation. But that sort of thing isn't what CEOs are usually after.
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Will Smith announces he's pulling their upcoming film production “Emancipation” out of Georgia in protest of the state’s new voting law, which makes voting harder for the state’s Black population.
 

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WaPo won't let me read the link without subscribing.

What I'm seeing in your post is the power elite letting a government body know that they are in charge and not the government. CEOs are deciding this, as usual.

It's great that they're behaving ethically for once. But I don't like the concept of unelected officials telling the government what to do.

OR ELSE...
Tom
You want unfettered capitalism, you get unfettered capitalism.

You don't like the consequences of unfettered capitalism, vote differently.
 

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I don't know. After all, SCOTUS said that corporations are people and people certainly have the right to speak out against something the government does that they feel is unjust. I guess you can look at it in different ways.

Of course, corporations will always speak out when they believe that something will hurt their profits. Their employees and customers support the right of the people to vote, so I guess they had to do what they believed was in their best interests. Again, the highest court in our country had decided that corporations are people......
 

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Now, movie production has been a huge thing in Georgia, but now due to the new voting law, some of it is pulling out.


https://www.ajc.com/life/radiotvtalk-blog/will-smith-movie-emancipation-pulls-out-of-georgia-over-new-voting-law/TJYUWNJDQVD7FFVR2HWQK5TPS4/

A movie starring Will Smith is pulling out of Georgia, citing the Georgia voting law that Gov. Brian Kemp recently signed.


Smith and director Antoine Fuqua released a statement to Deadline: “At this moment in time, the Nation is coming to terms with its history and is attempting to eliminate vestiges of institutional racism to achieve true racial justice. We cannot in good conscience provide economic support to a government that enacts regressive voting laws that are designed to restrict voter access. The new Georgia voting laws are reminiscent of voting impediments that were passed at the end of Reconstruction to prevent many Americans from voting. Regrettably, we feel compelled to move our film production work from Georgia to another state.”

The subject matter of the film may have made the optics of shooting in Georgia especially problematic.

The movie is based on a true story about a run away slave that joins the Union Army.
 

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WaPo won't let me read the link without subscribing.

What I'm seeing in your post is the power elite letting a government body know that they are in charge and not the government. CEOs are deciding this, as usual.

It's great that they're behaving ethically for once. But I don't like the concept of unelected officials telling the government what to do.

OR ELSE...
Tom
You want unfettered capitalism, you get unfettered capitalism.

You don't like the consequences of unfettered capitalism, vote differently.

I vote straight ticket Democrat. I've said so many times on TFT.

Got a better plan? If so I'd love to hear it. I don't much care for the Democrats.
Tom
 

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I vote straight ticket Democrat. I've said so many times on TFT.

Got a better plan? If so I'd love to hear it. I don't much care for the Democrats.
Tom

Stop voting for people and start voting for ideas, maybe? To use an extremely simplified example, your vote in the last election could have been between whether or not you want to see more protesters gassed for photo ops. In that scenario, the people on the ticket are largely incidental.
 

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Even if one is a yellow-dog Democrat, there's a place where one's vote can be meaningful: the primaries.

Nitpick: I'm no expert on such terminology, but do you mean blue-dog Democrat? (Not to be confused with Blue-Collar Caucus Democrat.) The yellow-dog Ds are extinct, I think.
 

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[I vote straight ticket Democrat. I've said so many times on TFT.
Even if one is a yellow-dog Democrat, there's a place where one's vote can be meaningful: the primaries.

Nitpick: I'm no expert on such terminology, but do you mean blue-dog Democrat? (Not to be confused with Blue-Collar Caucus Democrat.) The yellow-dog Ds are extinct, I think.

Bunch of racists, y'all. :p
 

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A yellow-dog Democrat is someone who will vote for any yellow dog of a politician who just so happens to be a Democrat.

Some people jokingly call themselves "yellow-dog Republicans", with a very similar meaning.
 

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Now, movie production has been a huge thing in Georgia, but now due to the new voting law, some of it is pulling out.


https://www.ajc.com/life/radiotvtal...er-new-voting-law/TJYUWNJDQVD7FFVR2HWQK5TPS4/

A movie starring Will Smith is pulling out of Georgia, citing the Georgia voting law that Gov. Brian Kemp recently signed.


Smith and director Antoine Fuqua released a statement to Deadline: “At this moment in time, the Nation is coming to terms with its history and is attempting to eliminate vestiges of institutional racism to achieve true racial justice. We cannot in good conscience provide economic support to a government that enacts regressive voting laws that are designed to restrict voter access. The new Georgia voting laws are reminiscent of voting impediments that were passed at the end of Reconstruction to prevent many Americans from voting. Regrettably, we feel compelled to move our film production work from Georgia to another state.”

The subject matter of the film may have made the optics of shooting in Georgia especially problematic.

The movie is based on a true story about a run away slave that joins the Union Army.
The good news is that Jon Voight is coming to the rescue. Okay, that might be Fake News.
 

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Even if one is a yellow-dog Democrat, there's a place where one's vote can be meaningful: the primaries.

Nitpick: I'm no expert on such terminology, but do you mean blue-dog Democrat? (Not to be confused with Blue-Collar Caucus Democrat.) The yellow-dog Ds are extinct, I think.
Blue Dogs are the conservative on some things Democrats. They were declared officially extinct in the House of Representatives after the 2010 election. They are labeled as "extremely endangered" in the Senate by the Department of Wildlife.
 

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Nitpick: I'm no expert on such terminology, but do you mean blue-dog Democrat? (Not to be confused with Blue-Collar Caucus Democrat.) The yellow-dog Ds are extinct, I think.
Blue Dogs are the conservative on some things Democrats. They were declared officially extinct in the House of Representatives after the 2010 election. They are labeled as "extremely endangered" in the Senate by the Department of Wildlife.
Look, I don't wanna know about the breeding program ok.

Keep that shit under wraps. Or, in a zoo. :p
 

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I vote straight ticket Democrat. I've said so many times on TFT.

Got a better plan? If so I'd love to hear it. I don't much care for the Democrats.
Tom

Stop voting for people and start voting for ideas, maybe? To use an extremely simplified example, your vote in the last election could have been between whether or not you want to see more protesters gassed for photo ops. In that scenario, the people on the ticket are largely incidental.

I do. That's exactly how I vote.

They're just much bigger ideas than your example.

Here's my example:

By the end of the Bush II administration I was not voting for another Republican presidential candidate. But I wasn't supporting yet another Bush/Clinton candidate either. Having the same two families toss the presidency back and forth is called "oligarchy", even if we aren't Honduras or whatever. I couldn't stomach another Bush/Clinton presidency, so I supported a black youngster from Chicago, mostly just because he was neither a Republican nor a Clinton.

With the clarity of hindsight, I wish I'd supported a Clinton/Obama ticket in 2008. Godzillary was the kind of experienced bitch who could have gotten stuff like UHC passed. As opposed to Obama's bipartisan "Republican Healthcare reform", which the Republicans opposed anyway.

But, hindsight is 20/20, and I backed the wrong ideas in 2008. I believe that now. Which is why I didn't support Sanders in 2016 or 2020. I saw him as another Obama, well intentioned, but ineffective. I'm confident that Godzillary could have accomplished more of Sanders platform than Sanders could and so can Biden. I support Sanders' platform, I just don't think he can do it.

With a bit of luck, the Democrats will work on preparing a new crop of leaders. The Republicans seem intent on building their plans on voter suppression and constitutional technicalities, rather than good ideas for the country.
Tom
 

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Even if one is a yellow-dog Democrat, there's a place where one's vote can be meaningful: the primaries.

Nitpick: I'm no expert on such terminology, but do you mean blue-dog Democrat? (Not to be confused with Blue-Collar Caucus Democrat.) The yellow-dog Ds are extinct, I think.

A yellow-dog Democrat is someone who will vote for a Democrat no matter what, even if they field a yellow dog as their candidate.
 

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It appears as if it may be very difficult to keep Georgia blue.

There were GOP meetings in all but one district over the weekend and a large percentage of those who showed up had never been involved before, so I think that unless Democrats can manage to have a lot more voter participation and enthusiasm for Democratic candidates, we may be looking at a defeat for Warnock next year and a second term for Kemp.



https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/a-surge-of-newcomers-pack-georgia-gop-meetings-across-state/UEDLCU5MIZDL7MVYSZT67HVZBY/

he grassroots effort to punish Gov. Brian Kemp largely fizzled at key Republican meetings across the state this weekend even as record crowds of activists continued a relentless focus on former President Donald Trump’s lies about Georgia’s election results.


Fury over Trump’s narrow defeat combined with anger at President Joe Biden’s administration helped bring a surge of new faces to the weekend meetings, held in 13 of Georgia’s 14 congressional districts. Many speakers repeated Trump’s false claims of widespread election fraud in Georgia, which have been repeatedly debunked.

n west Georgia’s 3rd Congressional District, former state Sen. Josh McKoon asked for a show of hands and was surprised to find more than half of the 274 delegates had never attended a convention before.

Likewise for Brandon Phillips, chair of the 2nd Congressional District in South Georgia, who posted a picture of dozens of newcomers with the caption: “Y’all better keep up in Atlanta.”


The above is just on example of what is happening in just about all of the Georgia districts. Republicans are very motivated. I find this disturbing because based on my own experiences living in Georgia for about 25 years, I know that there is a lot of voter apathy among Democrats in Georgia. This is especially true in midterm elections. Add to that, the efforts by our Republican Congress to make voting a bit more difficult means another barrier to Democratic turnout. I know that Warnock has raised a substantial bit of money, but then, so has crazy lady, Marjorie Greene.


At least a half-dozen districts passed resolutions condemning Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan and Secretary of State Brad Raffenspeger for defying Trump’s demands to overturn the election.

But Kemp avoided similar fallout, despite votes in more than a dozen county-level GOP meetings to “censure” him last month. In some districts, the “censure” resolutions never made it to a final vote. In others, the efforts to rebuke Kemp were bottled up in committees or watered down.

One exception was the 7th District in Atlanta’s northeastern suburbs, where delegates voted overwhelmingly to pan Kemp. Former state Rep. Buzz Brockway, who opposed the resolution, said he wished Republicans “would quit fighting each other and put forward a positive agenda.”

I think Kemp will likely win in the Republican primary. For some reason, the Republicans are angrier at the SOS and Lt. Governor for not over turning the election. It's hard to believe how many idiots still believe that the election was stolen from Trump.

Does anyone know what's going on in other states that appear to be swinging towards the Democrats?
 

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Will the Trumpers ever admit that their cult leader lost!

I can't believe this.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgia-headed-toward-another-presidential-election-audit/O6WU557RGZACJL3PUHVNKIP57M/?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_2370798


Georgia is headed for another review of its presidential election results after a judge agreed Friday to unseal more than 145,000 Fulton County absentee ballots.


The details and timing of the review must still be determined. But the plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the county want to scan and examine the ballots to determine whether they are legitimate.

At a hearing Friday, Henry County Superior Court Judge Brian Amero made clear the ballots must remain in the custody of Fulton election officials. That could prevent the kind of allegations of mishandling ballots and improper procedures that have dogged a Republican-sponsored audit of ballots in Arizona in recent weeks.

For those not familiar with Georgia, t he part of Fulton County that is in question is Black majority. It's also the largest county in the state. So, a bunch of crazies are insisting that some absentee ballots be reviewed because they are sure there was some fraud or mistakes. OMG! When will this bullshit end?


The latest Georgia review cannot change the election results, which were certified months ago and have already been confirmed by multiple recounts. But the plaintiffs say an examination of ballots would get to the bottom of what they see as suspicious activity by election officials at State Farm Arena in November.

Former Republican U.S. Sen. Kelly Loeffler welcomed the review in a statement issued Friday.

Of course she did.

Fulton County Commission Chairman Robb Pitts, a Democrat, blasted the review in his own statement.

“It is outrageous that Fulton County continues to be a target of those who cannot accept the results from last year’s election,” Pitts said. “The votes have been counted multiple times, including a hand recount, and no evidence of fraud has been found.

This is insane!
 

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Isn't "insane" the definition for most republicans these days?

That may be the case, but I was still surprised that a judge in a neighboring county allowed this absurd request, especially considering that even our Republican gov and SOS have said over and over again that the election was fair, without any evidence of fraud, and there have already been recounts which came to the same conclusions.
 

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I can't believe this.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgia-headed-toward-another-presidential-election-audit/O6WU557RGZACJL3PUHVNKIP57M/?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_2370798




For those not familiar with Georgia, t he part of Fulton County that is in question is Black majority. It's also the largest county in the state. So, a bunch of crazies are insisting that some absentee ballots be reviewed because they are sure there was some fraud or mistakes. OMG! When will this bullshit end?




Of course she did.

Fulton County Commission Chairman Robb Pitts, a Democrat, blasted the review in his own statement.

“It is outrageous that Fulton County continues to be a target of those who cannot accept the results from last year’s election,” Pitts said. “The votes have been counted multiple times, including a hand recount, and no evidence of fraud has been found.

This is insane!

Thanks to Q Anon assistance, the right wing has gone into a literal cult status. It is almost like they actually believe it was stolen.
 

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I can't believe this.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgia-headed-toward-another-presidential-election-audit/O6WU557RGZACJL3PUHVNKIP57M/?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_2370798




For those not familiar with Georgia, t he part of Fulton County that is in question is Black majority. It's also the largest county in the state. So, a bunch of crazies are insisting that some absentee ballots be reviewed because they are sure there was some fraud or mistakes. OMG! When will this bullshit end?




Of course she did.

Fulton County Commission Chairman Robb Pitts, a Democrat, blasted the review in his own statement.

“It is outrageous that Fulton County continues to be a target of those who cannot accept the results from last year’s election,” Pitts said. “The votes have been counted multiple times, including a hand recount, and no evidence of fraud has been found.

This is insane!

Thanks to Q Anon assistance, the right wing has gone into a literal cult status. It is almost like they actually believe it was stolen.

Pretty sure they DO really believe that. The division that has been cultivated by Putin and Trump is very nearly total. This has rendered the Trumpanzees blissfully fact-free, and invulnerable to the truth.

* The Trump cult do not believe anything at all that is critical of Trump. The anti-trump conspiracy is responsible for all those subversive efforts.
* They absolutely believe everything he tells them no matter what their lyin' eyes - or anyone else - might say.
* This includes the "fact" that those opposed to Trump are few and far between, and are all subversive communist lib'ruls.

Thee people embedded in the cult do not communicate with anyone outside their group, and are totally convinced that the vast majority of all Americans are in love with their orange idol - after all, he tells them so, and everyone they know, agrees.
Knowing" that somewhere near 80% of all Americans love Trump, it is inconceivable to them that he could have lost the election if it was free and fair. The common understanding among them is that if they all take up arms to defend America, the truth of Trump's 2020 victory will prevail. Failure to defend that truth would be treasonous.
 

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Trump is still being investigated for possibly breaking state election law.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/the-jolt-fulton-county-investigation-into-donald-trump-moving-forward/ZDPWQS2UVRHPBEFF2SODWEV4XM/


Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ investigation into whether former President Donald Trump broke state laws by trying to overturn the results of the election is moving forward.


Over the holiday weekend, the Daily Beast quoted Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger confirming that Fulton County investigators have “asked us for documents, they’ve talked to some of our folks, and we’ll cooperate fully.”

The outlet reported that investigators have interviewed at least four people, including office attorney Ryan Germany, communications specialist Ari Schaffer, chief operating officer Gabriel Sterling and outreach director Sam Teasley.


Investigators are also coordinating with federal lawmakers probing the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol to share documents that could be useful to the state probe, according to a person with direct knowledge of the discussions.

The DA’s office is focusing on the Jan. 2 phone call Trump placed to Raffensperger, in which he urged his fellow Republican to “find” the votes to reverse Joe Biden’s win in Georgia.

But the investigation also could extend to Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, who promoted lies about election fraud in a state legislative hearing; and U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who was accused by Raffensperger of urging him to toss mail-in ballots in certain counties. Graham and Giuliani have denied any wrongdoing.


This could get interesting.
 

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He broke the law. He very well clearly broke the law. But thanks to lawyers and mob-speak, he will get away with breaking the law, but we know for a fact what he was asking them to do.
 

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Are they just going to investigate for the rest of his life and never bring charges??
 

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And lets remember that Jim Crow is alive and well in the south still. Whites want to keep the power they've wrested from blacks and need all the allies they can muster for their fight.
 

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And lets remember that Jim Crow is alive and well in the south still. Whites want to keep the power they've wrested from blacks and need all the allies they can muster for their fight.

That can't be. I have it on the good authority of several posters here that systemic racism is dead and buried.
 

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And lets remember that Jim Crow is alive and well in the south still. Whites want to keep the power they've wrested from blacks and need all the allies they can muster for their fight.

That can't be. I have it on the good authority of several posters here that systemic racism is dead and buried.

Southern white supremacy continues to be the most influential dynamic in southern politics today. The disenfranchisement of black voters like we see in Georgia and Texas is no different than what happened in the decades after the civil war. The posters who claim otherwise are members of the Long Live Jim Crow Society.
 

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And lets remember that Jim Crow is alive and well in the south still. Whites want to keep the power they've wrested from blacks and need all the allies they can muster for their fight.

That can't be. I have it on the good authority of several posters here that systemic racism is dead and buried.

Southern white supremacy continues to be the most influential dynamic in southern politics today. The disenfranchisement of black voters like we see in Georgia and Texas is no different than what happened in the decades after the civil war. The posters who claim otherwise are members of the Long Live Jim Crow Society.

It's really not as bad as the media tells you. Every one of my Black friends and acquaintances have voted in most every election without any difficulty. If they live in Fulton or Dekalb counties, it does take more patience as the lines are much longer than in my county. But, despite all of recent changes in voting, anyone can still request an absentee ballot without a reason, which isn't the case in every state. We still have 3 full weeks of early voting, but too many people don't take advantage of that.

Imo, the biggest problem in Georgia has been voter apathy. One of my Black friends finally convinced her two middle aged children to vote in 2020 for the first time in their lives. She isn't sure if they will vote again. Before I retired, I worked with many young Black women, but very few of them ever voted. I helped two register when Obama ran for president, but one of them "forgot" to vote in the midterms. Others were totally disinterested in voting. My city is slightly Black majority so I have had the opportunity to discuss politics and voting with quite a few Black folks. I think most of the older ones vote all of the time, but for some reason that I don't completely understand, the younger folks, both Black and White aren't all that interested in voting. Voter suppression combined with voter apathy hurt the Democrats.

Poor White folks aren't very reliable voters either. I've worked with many who never voted and had no interest in doing so. Imo, Stacey Abrams changed that to some extent. She is a brilliant, highly motivated politician who has certainly helped get out the vote. The Republicans in Georgia are scared shitless of her. They know she is powerful and influential. They've already started at least one anti-Stacey organization. They try to demonize her at every opportunity. These are some of the same people who admired her when she was the minority leader in the Georgia Congress. Now, that she's become so powerful, she is suddenly a commie or something along those lines. The truth is, she is a pragmatic progressive who understands that compromise is the only way to make progress. It's not as much about race as it is about maintaining their power, when it comes to Republicans. They know that about 95% of Black Georgians vote for Democrats, so they are easy targets. Calling the current situation "Jim Crow" is way over the top. I visited the South once as a child in the 50s. I've seen Jim Crow for myself. We are far removed from those days, despite the current increase in racism, inspired by the former president and his allies. Considering that our neighborhoods are far more integrated than they were 10 years ago, it will be harder for Republicans to target certain areas based on race. I do a little happy dance every time I have a new Black neighbor. The more integrated we become, the harder it will be to gerrymander based on race. Plus to be honest, my Black neighbors tend to be much nicer than my White neighbors.

The systemic racism that I see isn't limited to the South. Systemic racism is a country wide problem. It's just that a lot of people from other areas of the country refuse to see what's happening in their own cities and states.
 

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It's really not as bad as the media tells you. Every one of my Black friends and acquaintances have voted in most every election without any difficulty.

I'm probably overly cynical, but I can't help thinking the GA Republicans be like "Why not let 'em vote? We can just declare Fulton County corrupt, and cancel them out."
 
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