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Is This the Death of Europe?

maxparrish said:
But it is easy to say that Mexico was more democratic and less hopelessly mired in corruption by 1836 than it is today. By early 19th century standards, Mexico was likely a leader in modernity rather than a hell hole. But it is now a degenerate oligarchic mess.
But I wasn't going by a relative comparison (i.e., relative to "early 19th century standards").
I would pick today's Mexico over 1836 Mexico any time.

Frankly, while some of your long-term concerns about migration and culture are reasonable - e.g., people tend to take their culture with them, and there are cultures where prevalent moral beliefs, customs, etc., makes them more prone to oppressing minorities or women, corruption, and so on -, your genetic concerns do not appear to be so (i.e., regardless of the degree of heritability of IQ, progress can continue with a majority of any racial background, and that's not even counting future progress made by AI), and your prediction that in 100 years, the US will be a place that few other people of backgrounds other than Mexican and Central American lineage, etc., would want to live in, is unwarranted.
 
Ah woe is me! The great American liberal. Hillary lies rotting in jail, Europe is the new Caliphate, the clouds are parting to allow Jesus to land in a garbage dump in Jerusalem, while naked people float to the sky. America (pbuh) is the only bastion of liberty and strength left in the world - that is until the naked folks (ugh, some fat ugly guy just flew past my window, shouting about sperm in Starbucks latte and "I told you so?") started leaving. Obama has ripped off his mask, revealing he is the antichrist and has secretly been weakening Merica from within. They've started hauling everyone into Walmarts to re-educate us. What are we to do now?
 
Genetic destruction? You've been spending too much time reading crap from your white...sorry...White Identity authors.

And no, the "historic population" of the Americas was not European and African until relatively recent history. The actual natives were here for thousands of years prior to when white...sorry...White people showed up with their slaves in tow.
Irrelevant. The red man of the US has passed into history, a remnant only of interest to gamblers, anthropologists and jade trinket tourists. For the last 150 years they have been on the edge of extinction. The United States was formed in, and populated by, the European and African populations - the red man was an outsider. In 1965 the law was changed which has lead to ongoing significant population increases, and to the detriment of that population's well being.
What is interesting is how out of touch with history this statement is. It apparently forget the major immigration waves that occurred in the US, and the general hatred for immigrants back in the "good ole days" as well. Around the Constitution, the British portion of the population was about 2/3's of the nation. This would dwindled as western Europeans came in, then southern and eastern Europeans came in, and of course, you speak of Europeans as being one conglomerate, when if they consist of a bunch of different cultures on their own right.

Oddly, the US seemed to have survive the whole ordeal of immigration. In fact, immigration built a lot of our major infrastructure. Go fig.

In another 100 years, that historic population will have passed into history and most of the country will be from Mexican (and some Central American) lineage, breeding, and attendant intellectual and behavioral attributes.
Now there is a racist statement if ever one. You log in with the wrong username?
Given the 200 year degeneration of their Spanish culture and its micro accomplishments, it is not a place anyone of other backgrounds would want to live in.
Oddly enough, the sacrifice and dedication (followed by being the only industrial nation not destroyed by WWII) is what put America on top. The WASPs in this country seem to think sacrifice is unnecessary and think progress just happens and when it doesn't... immigrants!!!
 
Germans Welcome First of the Wave of Immigrants - Oh Joy.

We interrupt the refutation of the driveling nonsense of critics to see how the initial "refugees" are doing in Germany! Great news, things are great as long as you don't live near or among them (or block their route to the welfare department):

German multiculturalism has worked so well that Christians have been segregated in asylum camps for their safety because they have been threatened by Muslims.

In the German state of Thuringia, Prime Minister Bodo Ramelow, one of the multiculturalists driving and celebrating the migrant crisis, has been forced to initiate a policy of separating and segregating different cultures as soon as they arrive in Europe.

“In Iran, the Revolutionary Guards have arrested my brother in a house church. I fled the Iranian intelligence, because I thought in Germany I can finally live freely according to my religion,” says Said, a Christian who fled persecution in his native country.

“But I can not openly admit that I am a Christian in my home for asylum seekers. I will be threatened,” he told Germany language paper Die Welt.

This year Germany prepares to absorb a million people in just twelve months – one per cent of its entire population – from numerous, diverse and alien cultures.

“We must rid ourselves of the illusion that all those who arrive here are human rights activists,” says Max Klingberg of the International Society for Human Rights (ISHR), who has worked with refugees for 15 years. “Among the new arrivals is not a small amount of religious intensity, it is at least at the level of the Muslim Brotherhood,” he said.

Said is living in an asylum centre in southern Brandenburg, near the border with Saxony. “They wake me before dawn during Ramadan and say I should eat before the sun comes up. If I refuse, they say I’m a kuffar, an unbeliever. They spit at me… They treat me like an animal. And threaten to kill me.”

“… They are also all Muslims,” he adds.

And Gottfried Martens, a pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Trinity in Berlin-Steglitz, has said he has around 600 Afghanis and Iranians converts in his church. “Almost all have big problems in their homes,” says Martens. “Devout Muslims teach their view, that here [in Germany] there is the Sharia, and then there is our law.”

He told Die Welt that the Christian refugees are often stopped from using kitchens to prepare food in asylum centres, and are constantly bullied for not praying five times a day to Mecca. Martens continues:

“And [the Christians] ask the question: What happens when the devout Muslim refugees leave the refugee center, must we continue hiding ourselves as Christians in the future in this country?” 0

Said’s fear is not unfounded. On the 14th of September German police in the town of Hemer revealed in a statement that an Eritrean Christian and his wife – who was eight months pregnant – had been hospitalised after being brutally attacked with a glass bottle by Algerian Muslims. The man had been wearing a wooden crucifix, which had “insulted” the Algerians.

In September, Syrian refugees rioted in the town of Suhl when an Afghan man tore a few pages out of the Koran. Last week during Ramadan, in Baden-Württemberg Ellwangen, there was a mass brawl between Christians, Yazidis and Muslims, and just this weekend migrant violence erupted as hundreds fought in the city of Kassel, leaving 14 injured...

A young Syrian from Erstaufnahmelager in Giessen, who has reported threats against him, said he is concerned that among the refugees are followers of the Islamic State (IS): “They shout Quranic verses. These are words that IS shouts before they cut off people’s heads. I cannot stay here. I am a Christian,” he said

And then BBC reported that 400 supplicants residing in a tent camp in central Germany erupted in a riot where Albanians and Pakistanis fought each other. Fourteen were injured, three of them police officers. The camp has an estimated 1500 "Syrian refugee" aliens from 20 countries! My..my.

It seems that Germans are determined to commit suicide, initially in a World War II in launching a war of conquest of the backward peoples, now in inviting the conquest of Germany by the backward peoples.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ing-christians-as-migrant-violence-escalates/
 
Four hundred rioters, with only fourteen injuries?

I've seen worse at a Leeds-Millwall match at Elland Road.

If you stick people in refugee camps, then occasionally they will get sufficiently bored and uncomfortable to start brawling.

I doubt you could find any comparable situation in history that was better behaved than this. Fights of much greater magnitude and frequency were notorious amongst Irish steerage passengers migrating to America in the 1800s.

This is a non-story.
 
As long as you define needed policy changes in governments and personal behavior patterns among the citizens as "death" I suppose you will have a little "death." So what. It will only be death of prejudice. We need a lot more of that kind of "death" in America, a country whose capitol's football team's very name is an affront to native Americans. We keep sustaining racial prejudice through the notable efforts of people like Donald Trump and Sheriff Arpayo. We keep our whitey attitudes in high places and our exceptionalism gets its daily shot in the arm. I think Europe is simply reaping the harvest of imperialism and will simply have to adapt to the new living conditions. Germany needs concentrate on getting rid of its Nazi residue. If that is dying, then that is what they need to be doing.
 
As long as you define needed policy changes in governments and personal behavior patterns among the citizens as "death" I suppose you will have a little "death." So what. It will only be death of prejudice. We need a lot more of that kind of "death" in America, a country whose capitol's football team's very name is an affront to native Americans. We keep sustaining racial prejudice through the notable efforts of people like Donald Trump and Sheriff Arpayo. We keep our whitey attitudes in high places and our exceptionalism gets its daily shot in the arm. I think Europe is simply reaping the harvest of imperialism and will simply have to adapt to the new living conditions. Germany needs concentrate on getting rid of its Nazi residue. If that is dying, then that is what they need to be doing.

I think it's pretty arrogant to single out Germany, a country that's spent the past 70 years getting rid of its "Nazi residue". If anything, it's the refugees who need to concentrate on getting rid of their "islamist residue".
 
Irrelevant. The red man of the US has passed into history, a remnant only of interest to gamblers, anthropologists and jade trinket tourists. For the last 150 years they have been on the edge of extinction. The United States was formed in, and populated by, the European and African populations - the red man was an outsider. In 1965 the law was changed which has lead to ongoing significant population increases, and to the detriment of that population's well being.
What is interesting is how out of touch with history this statement is. It apparently forget the major immigration waves that occurred in the US, and the general hatred for immigrants back in the "good ole days" as well. Around the Constitution, the British portion of the population was about 2/3's of the nation. This would dwindled as western Europeans came in, then southern and eastern Europeans came in, and of course, you speak of Europeans as being one conglomerate, when if they consist of a bunch of different cultures on their own right.

Methinks I am out of touch with folks who dodge a fact they cannot refute, i.e.; "The United States was formed in, and populated by, the European and African populations - the red man was an outsider." That statement is literally true, much to your annoyance.

I am well aware that the US had a base population of British (and some German and Dutch), and that for the the next 140 years periodic waves of white immigrants migrated to the nation. And I am also aware that such waves started with Northern Europeans in the Great Atlantic migrations (see B. Bailyn) and later were almost exclusively from Europe - products of Western culture and old world European alliances. But you, in turn, seem to unaware of current differences, not only for the US but for Europe.

First, Europeans were divided and often hostile to one another, but not so much that they did not recognize the huge difference between themselves and the "Mohammedans" and "the orient". They were at least bonded by being the people of the West, in christianity, shared political theories, and forms of social and family relationships. On the other hand, "the Turk" and the "Sultan" was far more alien, one that enslaved Christians and invaded Europe on behalf of 'Allah'.

Second, the waves of Europeans assimilated into a generalized European American culture, reformed by the American frontier and British-American political experience. No single nation or race overwhelmed the Americas through immigration, it was diffuse and measured. The "base" population identity changed to either 'white' or 'black' American, and people gradually assimilated (more or less) on that basis.

Third, the US "survived" the whole ordeal of assimilation...including the surviving the ordeal over assimilating blacks in the Civil War, the bloodiest war in American history. But "surviving an ordeal" is not relevant. The point is was the immigration ordeal worth it to the base population of people that either benefited or suffered from it?

My take is that immigration to the Americas, at least during the periods of high immigration, was harmful to the base population. It was harmful to the Native American, it was harmful to the non-Irish of the 19th century, it was harmful to the non-Sicilian, etc. Its no coincidence that the era of the 'ruthless' robber baron and the resultant gilded age was also the era of out-of-control immigration and hyper cheap labor. Having plentiful labor created low wages, displaced native born workers in mines and factories, and created the most labor strife in American history, etc. . It was only after strict immigration laws were passed that such waves ended, and Americans slowly assimilated Jews, Italians, Greeks, Chinese, and others. So by 1970, 50 years later the white population was largely assimilated - although white ethnic neighborhoods still existed in many large cities (Boston Irish, etc.).

But who cares if today's immigration works out after I (or my children) are dead? Why should today's base population suffer for your romantic ideal 50 to 100 years from now?

Last, the assimilation of different races and non Judaic-Christian peoples has always been more of an ordeal than that of assimilating Europeans. At its root, Islam is incompatible with secular Western law and complete religious tolerance. The difficulties Europe will face will be far worse than that experienced by the US - at least the US has always been much better at "melting" diverse peoples than other countries whose national identity is rooted in a 'national race' of peoples.

In short, the policies of Europe will lead to greater disappoint (as it did with the Turkish "temporary worker"), an ethnic underclass, and increasing social conflict.

In another 100 years, that historic population will have passed into history and most of the country will be from Mexican (and some Central American) lineage, breeding, and attendant intellectual and behavioral attributes.
Now there is a racist statement if ever one. You log in with the wrong username?
Given the 200 year degeneration of their Spanish culture and its micro accomplishments, it is not a place anyone of other backgrounds would want to live in.
Oddly enough, the sacrifice and dedication (followed by being the only industrial nation not destroyed by WWII) is what put America on top. The WASPs in this country seem to think sacrifice is unnecessary and think progress just happens and when it doesn't... immigrants!!!

No, what "put America on top" was a WASP work and thrift ethic, a talented base population from the British middle classes, and a base population of successful Germans; as well as the American culture individualism and market capitalism. If not for the WASP, the Yankee seed population of talent and values, I doubt the papist Irish, Italian, and others would have prospered as they (eventually) did.
 
Four hundred rioters, with only fourteen injuries?

I've seen worse at a Leeds-Millwall match at Elland Road.

If you stick people in refugee camps, then occasionally they will get sufficiently bored and uncomfortable to start brawling.

I doubt you could find any comparable situation in history that was better behaved than this. Fights of much greater magnitude and frequency were notorious amongst Irish steerage passengers migrating to America in the 1800s.

This is a non-story.

If the people of Leeds and Millwall rioted because of different religious beliefs and cultures, my suggestion to Germany is to not import them. The history of Northern Ireland for that matter, should not be someone's ideal.
 
Methinks I am out of touch with folks who dodge a fact they cannot refute, i.e.; "The United States was formed in, and populated by, the European and African populations - the red man was an outsider." That statement is literally true, much to your annoyance.

You are out of touch.
Passed October 1988 to acknowledge the contribution of the Iroquois Confederacy of Nations to the Development of the United States Constitution and to reaffirm the Continuing government-to-government relationship between Indian tribes and the United States established in the Constitution.

Concurrent Resolution

To acknowledge the contribution of the Iroquois Confederacy of Nations to the development of the United States Constitution and to reaffirm the continuing government-to-government relationship between Indian tribes and the United States established in the Constitution.
 
Chronicles in Diversity - Isn't building multiculturalism fun?

In a matter of a few days, these "helpless" and "grateful" so-called refugees are fighting:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...e-on-frankfurt-streets-german-army-called-in/

Police said The Thursday event was billed as a “solidarity march commemorating fallen Turkish soldiers”. According to FR Online to it was organised by the “Federation of Turkish young people” which campaigns on behalf of Turkey. ...

Soon after the Turkish supporters set off there were attacks by immigrant Kurd counter-demonstrators who used sticks, bottles and stones to attack marchers. One taxi driver reportedly had his car damaged in the brawl.

Police confirmed the counter-demonstrators were of Kurdish origin and quickly withdrew.
 
And yet more fun:

Said’s fear is not unfounded. On the 14th of September German police in the town of Hemer revealed in a statement that an Eritrean Christian and his wife – who was eight months pregnant – had been hospitalised after being brutally attacked with a glass bottle by Algerian Muslims. The man had been wearing a wooden crucifix, which had “insulted” the Algerians.

In September, Syrian refugees rioted in the town of Suhl when an Afghan man tore a few pages out of the Koran. Last week during Ramadan, in Baden-Württemberg Ellwangen, there was a mass brawl between Christians, Yazidis and Muslims, and just this weekend migrant violence erupted as hundreds fought in the city of Kassel, leaving 14 injured.

A young Syrian from Erstaufnahmelager in Giessen, who has reported threats against him, said he is concerned that among the refugees are followers of the Islamic State (IS): “They shout Quranic verses. These are words that IS shouts before they cut off people’s heads. I cannot stay here. I am a Christian,” he said

Die Welt even reports a case of a Christian family from Iraq who was housed in a refugee camp in Bavarian Freising. The family lived like “prisoners” in Germany, they said, so returned to Mosul in Iraq. The father told a TV crew how Syrian Islamists had attacked them in Germany: “You have my wife yelled at and beaten. My child they say… We will kill you and drink your blood.”

Simon Jacob of the Central Council of the Eastern Christians said that stories like this no longer surprise him: “I know a lot of reports of Christian refugees who are under attack. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ing-christians-as-migrant-violence-escalates/
 
When ISIS starts moving into Europe with force then Europe has a problem.

Until then it can either live up the best of human ideals and help people in trouble or it can turn them away like frightened children.
 
You are out of touch.
Passed October 1988 to acknowledge the contribution of the Iroquois Confederacy of Nations to the Development of the United States Constitution and to reaffirm the Continuing government-to-government relationship between Indian tribes and the United States established in the Constitution.

Concurrent Resolution

To acknowledge the contribution of the Iroquois Confederacy of Nations to the development of the United States Constitution and to reaffirm the continuing government-to-government relationship between Indian tribes and the United States established in the Constitution.

Apparently you were never in touch. I asserted that in the formation of the United States, it was populated by white and black, and that the Red man was outside of that. You provide us a quote that says to "reaffirm the Continuing government-to-government relationship between Indian tribes and the United States established in the Constitution."

I shouldn't have to explain that this conveys the idea of Indian Tribes being a separate government (nation) outside of the US political compact, with a government to government relationship. Ever heard of the term "Indian nations"?

Ergo, the tribes were considered OUTSIDE the nation-state...not unlike France and other backward snail eating places. ;)
 
Conservatives, didn't you humiliate yourselves enough with that "no go zone" nonsense?

Why would you willingly talk about Islam and Europe again after the what happened the last time you tried this?
 
You are out of touch.

Apparently you were never in touch. I asserted that in the formation of the United States, it was populated by white and black, and that the Red man was outside of that. You provide us a quote that says to "reaffirm the Continuing government-to-government relationship between Indian tribes and the United States established in the Constitution."

I shouldn't have to explain that this conveys the idea of Indian Tribes being a separate government (nation) outside of the US political compact, with a government to government relationship. Ever heard of the term "Indian nations"?

Ergo, the tribes were considered OUTSIDE the nation-state...not unlike France and other backward snail eating places. ;)

Did you even read the post? It, Congress, y'know, whitey, acknowledges the influence of Native American thought i.e. culture on the US constitution.

You respond with irrelevant babble about native sovereignty. Try again.
 
Apparently you were never in touch. I asserted that in the formation of the United States, it was populated by white and black, and that the Red man was outside of that. You provide us a quote that says to "reaffirm the Continuing government-to-government relationship between Indian tribes and the United States established in the Constitution."

I shouldn't have to explain that this conveys the idea of Indian Tribes being a separate government (nation) outside of the US political compact, with a government to government relationship. Ever heard of the term "Indian nations"?

Ergo, the tribes were considered OUTSIDE the nation-state...not unlike France and other backward snail eating places. ;)

Did you even read the post? It, Congress, y'know, whitey, acknowledges the influence of Native American thought i.e. culture on the US constitution.

You respond with irrelevant babble about native sovereignty. Try again.

Do you even read what you are responding to and then read what you wrote as a reply? I quoted where your own source impeached your original objection to my comment, showing that the Indian Tribes were outside the social compact - just as I pointed out. Kinda missed that part when you posted it, eh?

As far as "the woh-woh influence", that is a folkloric myth. Unfortunately Congress often passes ignorant proclamations, placating some identity group. I already canned this nonsense on the prior (or other) boards, citing academic journal articles that debunked this belief.
 


Stand-up act by the guy who somehow had the media thinking he was the Oregon shooter.
 
Did you even read the post? It, Congress, y'know, whitey, acknowledges the influence of Native American thought i.e. culture on the US constitution.

You respond with irrelevant babble about native sovereignty. Try again.

Do you even read what you are responding to and then read what you wrote as a reply? I quoted where your own source impeached your original objection to my comment, showing that the Indian Tribes were outside the social compact - just as I pointed out. Kinda missed that part when you posted it, eh?

As far as "the woh-woh influence", that is a folkloric myth. Unfortunately Congress often passes ignorant proclamations, placating some identity group. I already canned this nonsense on the prior (or other) boards, citing academic journal articles that debunked this belief.

Yeah right. If the choice is between white supremacist "academy" over mainstream or IOW western(ie superior according to you) scholarship, I'll take the one unblinded by ideology.

That's the trouble with putting some quality of the producers of culture over their result; the essence is lost because it's become a secondary consideration.
 
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