islam is growing in the west

[Syed]

other religion do have answer but islam's answer makes more sense to them for example

god is one

God is a claim. Neither you nor any other Muslim nor any Christian nor any practitioner of any other religion has managed to demonstrate that any gods exist.

what is the purpose of life?

Purpose is a human creation, so your life has whatever purpose you decide.

what is right and wrong

Islam offers answers to this question. Christianity offers answers to this question. In fact, every religion offers answers to this question. Unfortunately, the Euthyphro dilemma proved thousands of years ago that no authority can make you more moral. Not religion, not imaginary gods, not real gods, not religious leaders, not the government, not ethics professors, no one. An authority can only demand obedience, which is not at all the same thing as morality.

why god created human?

You have to establish that your god exists first before you can hope to prove that he created humans.



Like many Christians, you think the important thing is to have answers. Having answers doesn't matter at all. Any fool can give you answers to any question as long as you don't care if the answers are true or not. What matters is not having answers, but having answers which are independently verifiable, and while religions offer lots of answers, none of them can offer answers of any real import or value.

islam attractive to believer in god not to you because you have PROOF god does not exist

 

[Syed]

Syed! You didn't respond to my post. Atheism is growing in the Muslim world. A great many ex-Muslims (and non-extremist Muslims) are aware and concerned about the inhumane, dogmatic, and destructive nature of Islamic culture.

Of course, true to form, those addled by your diseased religion seek to torture or kill anyone who challenges those corrupt and violent aspects of the belief system. They seek a better world for all people, yet your religion is a powerful force against those efforts, needing to resort to violence and abuse rather than admit wrong.

Don't be scared, Syed. They want a better world for you, too, even though you support the violent, backward one.

Atheism is growing in Muslim countries.

https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/4898/the-rise-of-arab-atheism
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/12/ath...ust_talking_about_atheism_is_illegal_partner/
https://newrepublic.com/article/121559/rise-arab-atheists
http://www.economist.com/news/inter...ore-outspoken-tolerance-still-rare-no-god-not
http://www.islam-watch.org/home/68-mumin/1609-about-the-rise-of-atheism-in-the-arab-world.html

Mwahahahahahahaaa!

those exmuslims have some problem of depression and war in middle east cause them leave religion and most of them will come back to islam and some will commit suicide

 

[Keith&Co.]

CONCLUSION: TRINITY lead to DISBELIEVE in god AND atheist's LIFESTYLE lead to believe in god AGAIN

Very nice, Syes. YOU don't understand the trinity, therefore no one understands the trinity.
.

do you understand trinity?

That's not exactly a rebuttal of my accusation, Syed.

But yeah, sure, the Trinity was not a sticking point for me.
My dad was Dad when I talked to him, Mr. &Co. when my friends talked to him, Mark when Mom or his coworkers talked to him, Merthyn to his parents (his middle name, since his first name was HIS father's). And different aspects of his personality came into play depending on who he was talking to and how much Scotch he'd had.

And that was just a pharmacist at a 200-bed hospital. So it was not a big stretch of the imagination to figure a Supreme Being would have different aspects in different situations and that the distinct facets would have enough power to function as different people from our non-omnipotent viewpoint.

Now, Hell? Hell has always stumped me. But the fact that it stumps me does not drive me to claim that EVERYONE will eventually be driven from their faith because the idea of a loving god setting up a torture-porn studio is offensive. It does not drive me to claim that the injustice of eternal punishment after finite sin will cause all to DISBELIEVE in that particular afterlife model.

I have a problem with the very idea, but plenty of people seem comfortable with it. Or are unwilling to risk discomfort by thinking about it.

You, on the other hand, are quite willing to ignore the actual fact of the Faithful and their dedication to imagine that everyone's going to believe like you do for no better reason than that's what you believe.

And you look like an idiot when you do so.

 

[Keith&Co.]

those exmuslims have some problem of depression

But you said that Islam is what depressed people turn to as a solution, right?
Is it NOT an actual solution to depression?
If Muslims can be depressed out of Islam, then why believe any depressed people will find Islam better for them in the first place?

You're babbling, Syed.

 

[Angry Floof]

Syed! You didn't respond to my post. Atheism is growing in the Muslim world. A great many ex-Muslims (and non-extremist Muslims) are aware and concerned about the inhumane, dogmatic, and destructive nature of Islamic culture.

Of course, true to form, those addled by your diseased religion seek to torture or kill anyone who challenges those corrupt and violent aspects of the belief system. They seek a better world for all people, yet your religion is a powerful force against those efforts, needing to resort to violence and abuse rather than admit wrong.

Don't be scared, Syed. They want a better world for you, too, even though you support the violent, backward one.

those exmuslims have some problem of depression and war in middle east cause them leave religion and most of them will come back to islam and some will commit suicide

Yeah, religion tends to do that to people, sadly. Islam and Christianity in particular, of the world religions. Islam and Christianity have a lot in common with lesser known but equally destructive and backward cults and sects.

But it's OK! Don't be afraid, Syed. Atheism is spreading quickly, and that means more people are allowed to learn about different ways to counteract the sad effects of religion and how to escape its terrible bonds, and they are learning that they can be part of a humane community around the world, and not have to depend on a small, closed group of psycho clerics to define the world for them.

 

[Syed]

I'll cop to the idea that Islam is less confusing with respect to the Trinity concept. Even the RCC admitted that it's a "logical mystery."

But then, why not convert to Judaism? All you have there is good old Yahweh in all his glorious one-ness.

But why limit yourself to one god when you could worship many, like the Hindus do?

judaism is unattractive tribal religion.

hindu's god look like human, AGAIN unattractive religion

 

[iolo]

I think we have to remember that Paul was a Roman citizen, and the Romans found it quite easy to elect war-criminals and other smelly politicians 'gods'. If the Roman colonialists failed to kill Jesus, it seemed then, I suppose, that he wasn't a normal human at all, although he was, and the only answer was the tormented trinity notion, because only that could reconcile their view of Jesus as divine with monotheism. I don't think they came at it without a lot of sweat, fair play.

 

[Perspicuo]

More Westerners are becoming Wiccans, Buddhists and nones, too.
I guess they're all the one true religion.

In other news, argumentum ad populum is the new roasting that's all the rage at Sizzler. Now there's rare, medium rare, done, well done and yourefullashit.

 

[Bomb#20]

CONCLUSION: TRINITY lead to DISBELIEVE in god AND atheist's LIFESTYLE lead to believe in god AGAIN

Very nice, Syes. YOU don't understand the trinity, therefore no one understands the trinity.
.

do you understand trinity?

So why would Christians need the Trinity? That's what Unitarianism is for.

"Unitarianism is historically a Christian theological movement named for the affirmation that God is one entity, in direct contrast to Trinitarianism, which defines God as three persons in one being. Traditional Unitarians maintain that Jesus of Nazareth is in some sense the "son" of God (as all humans are children of the Creator), but that he is not the one God himself. They may believe that he was inspired by God in his moral teachings and can thus be considered a savior, but all Unitarians perceive Christ as human rather than a Deity."​

It was good enough for pre-Nicene-creed Christians; it was good enough for Isaac Newton; so what do Christians who figure out the trinity makes no sense need Islam for?

I'll cop to the idea that Islam is less confusing with respect to the Trinity concept. Even the RCC admitted that it's a "logical mystery."

But then, why not convert to Judaism? All you have there is good old Yahweh in all his glorious one-ness.

But why limit yourself to one god when you could worship many, like the Hindus do?

judaism is unattractive tribal religion.

hindu's god look like human, AGAIN unattractive religion

But then, why not convert to Deism? Attractive, non-tribal religion, only one God, and He doesn't look anything like human.

 

[Syed]

CONCLUSION: TRINITY lead to DISBELIEVE in god AND atheist's LIFESTYLE lead to believe in god AGAIN

Very nice, Syes. YOU don't understand the trinity, therefore no one understands the trinity.
.

do you understand trinity?

So why would Christians need the Trinity? That's what Unitarianism is for.

"Unitarianism is historically a Christian theological movement named for the affirmation that God is one entity, in direct contrast to Trinitarianism, which defines God as three persons in one being. Traditional Unitarians maintain that Jesus of Nazareth is in some sense the "son" of God (as all humans are children of the Creator), but that he is not the one God himself. They may believe that he was inspired by God in his moral teachings and can thus be considered a savior, but all Unitarians perceive Christ as human rather than a Deity."​

It was good enough for pre-Nicene-creed Christians; it was good enough for Isaac Newton; so what do Christians who figure out the trinity makes no sense need Islam for?

I'll cop to the idea that Islam is less confusing with respect to the Trinity concept. Even the RCC admitted that it's a "logical mystery."

But then, why not convert to Judaism? All you have there is good old Yahweh in all his glorious one-ness.

But why limit yourself to one god when you could worship many, like the Hindus do?

judaism is unattractive tribal religion.

hindu's god look like human, AGAIN unattractive religion

But then, why not convert to Deism? Attractive, non-tribal religion, only one God, and He doesn't look anything like human.

why do deist believe in god ?

 

[Syed]

CONCLUSION: TRINITY lead to DISBELIEVE in god AND atheist's LIFESTYLE lead to believe in god AGAIN

Very nice, Syes. YOU don't understand the trinity, therefore no one understands the trinity.
.

do you understand trinity?

That's not exactly a rebuttal of my accusation, Syed.

But yeah, sure, the Trinity was not a sticking point for me.
My dad was Dad when I talked to him, Mr. &Co. when my friends talked to him, Mark when Mom or his coworkers talked to him, Merthyn to his parents (his middle name, since his first name was HIS father's). And different aspects of his personality came into play depending on who he was talking to and how much Scotch he'd had.

father, son, ghost are one god makes sense to you?

 

[skepticalbip]

CONCLUSION: TRINITY lead to DISBELIEVE in god AND atheist's LIFESTYLE lead to believe in god AGAIN

Very nice, Syes. YOU don't understand the trinity, therefore no one understands the trinity.
.

do you understand trinity?

That's not exactly a rebuttal of my accusation, Syed.

But yeah, sure, the Trinity was not a sticking point for me.
My dad was Dad when I talked to him, Mr. &Co. when my friends talked to him, Mark when Mom or his coworkers talked to him, Merthyn to his parents (his middle name, since his first name was HIS father's). And different aspects of his personality came into play depending on who he was talking to and how much Scotch he'd had.

father, son, ghost are one god makes sense to you?

That seems to be a silly question. Why would you think that it would make sense to him when the idea of Allah, Ganish, Odin, Thor, etc. obviously doesn't make sense to him. But then the trinity makes just as much sense as Allah - which is zero sense.

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

why do deist believe in god ?

The deist god makes more sense than any others tha have been proposed. It created the universe, then left it alone. It doesn't interfere in its creation, which agrees with the evidence against (and the lack of evidence for) divine intervention. It doesn't need worship like the narcissistic Abrahamic god.

If there is, by some small chance, any sort of deity, the deist one is the only one that fits what we see in the universe. Since that also fits the state of no god, and the deist god is an absentee deity, it makes sense to live as if there is no god, even if the deist god exists.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I'll cop to the idea that Islam is less confusing with respect to the Trinity concept. Even the RCC admitted that it's a "logical mystery."

But then, why not convert to Judaism? All you have there is good old Yahweh in all his glorious one-ness.

But why limit yourself to one god when you could worship many, like the Hindus do?

judaism is unattractive tribal religion.

hindu's god look like human, AGAIN unattractive religion

Judaism is unattractive?

This is what has always puzzled me about the Christian and Muslim crowd. Judaism is where your religion came from. It's the original, the first, and is the most influential and groundwork laying religion on the planet these days. Jews make up only small number of people, but your religion wouldn't exist without theirs. So doesn't it make more sense to go right to the source?

It's like buying things through a middleman when all you have to do is call a different number to buy direct. Many Christians reject Catholicism for this very same reason. Why confess to a priest when you can bend god's ear about how you beat off to internet porn 20 times last week?

As to the appearance of Hindu gods, well... I hope you aren't dating an elephant. You don't seem to know the difference between their physical characteristics and that of a human. Now that'sbad eyesight.

 

[DBT]

All of that is in the bible, both in the new testament and the old testament....which was copied and adapted by Mohammed in order to construct his own version, Islam. The basic ideas are not original. Nor are they supported by evidence. They are faith based beliefs.

people who convert to islam they like islamis's explanation god OVER other religions

Can you give examples of why...and what in particular they like?

 

[Syed]

" 3) without religion they enjoy materialism and sex with multiple partners
4) bored with materialism and sex "

So that makes them likely to join a religion which promotes polygamy? You haven't thought this through, Syed.

polygamy is a marriage not sex partner

not all muslims do polygamy

 

[Syed]

people who convert to islam they like islamis's explanation god OVER other religions

Can you give examples of why...and what in particular they like?

Quran

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.

translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali

 

[Syed]

CONCLUSION: TRINITY lead to DISBELIEVE in god AND atheist's LIFESTYLE lead to believe in god AGAIN

Very nice, Syes. YOU don't understand the trinity, therefore no one understands the trinity.
.

do you understand trinity?

That's not exactly a rebuttal of my accusation, Syed.

But yeah, sure, the Trinity was not a sticking point for me.
My dad was Dad when I talked to him, Mr. &Co. when my friends talked to him, Mark when Mom or his coworkers talked to him, Merthyn to his parents (his middle name, since his first name was HIS father's). And different aspects of his personality came into play depending on who he was talking to and how much Scotch he'd had.

father, son, ghost are one god makes sense to you?

That seems to be a silly question. Why would you think that it would make sense to him when the idea of Allah, Ganish, Odin, Thor, etc. obviously doesn't make sense to him. But then the trinity makes just as much sense as Allah - which is zero sense.

do you understand trinity please explain ?

 

[Syed]

judaism is unattractive tribal religion.

hindu's god look like human, AGAIN unattractive religion

Judaism is unattractive?

This is what has always puzzled me about the Christian and Muslim crowd. Judaism is where your religion came from. It's the original, the first, and is the most influential and groundwork laying religion on the planet these days. Jews make up only small number of people, but your religion wouldn't exist without theirs. So doesn't it make more sense to go right to the source?

It's like buying things through a middleman when all you have to do is call a different number to buy direct. Many Christians reject Catholicism for this very same reason. Why confess to a priest when you can bend god's ear about how you beat off to internet porn 20 times last week?

As to the appearance of Hindu gods, well... I hope you aren't dating an elephant. You don't seem to know the difference between their physical characteristics and that of a human. Now that'sbad eyesight.

judaism is for jews, judaism is not universal but a tribal religion

 

[skepticalbip]

CONCLUSION: TRINITY lead to DISBELIEVE in god AND atheist's LIFESTYLE lead to believe in god AGAIN

Very nice, Syes. YOU don't understand the trinity, therefore no one understands the trinity.
.

do you understand trinity?

That's not exactly a rebuttal of my accusation, Syed.

But yeah, sure, the Trinity was not a sticking point for me.
My dad was Dad when I talked to him, Mr. &Co. when my friends talked to him, Mark when Mom or his coworkers talked to him, Merthyn to his parents (his middle name, since his first name was HIS father's). And different aspects of his personality came into play depending on who he was talking to and how much Scotch he'd had.

father, son, ghost are one god makes sense to you?

That seems to be a silly question. Why would you think that it would make sense to him when the idea of Allah, Ganish, Odin, Thor, etc. obviously doesn't make sense to him. But then the trinity makes just as much sense as Allah - which is zero sense.

do you understand trinity please explain ?

You missed the point. The Trinity is nonsense just as is Allah, Vishnu, Thor, Odin, Baal, etc. All make no sense at all if anyone tries to make sense of the claims made about them. However, they all make just as much sense as in they make no sense. However, for the believers in each of those religions, they make sense in the context of their particular mythos (which makes no sense in the real world outside their belief).