islam is growing in the west

[Methinx]

the first law of thermodynamics states that mass/energy can neither be created or destroyed.

One wonders why God violates his own laws...?

in the quran god said he created universe from smoke like dust

so universe from NOTHING makes no sense

The quraan says many things...


Here is a quote from another Hanuman Ji (as you call them) :Jinasena Mahapurana

Some foolish men declare that Creator made the world. The doctrine that the world was created is ill-advised, and should be rejected.
If god created the world, where was he before creation?

If you say he was transcendent then, and needed no support, where is he now? No single being had the skill to make the world - for how can an immaterial god create that which is material? How could god have made the world without any raw material? If you say he made this first, and then the world, you are face with an endless regression.

If you declare that the raw material arose naturally you fall into another fallacy, for the whole universe might thus have been its own creator, and have risen equally naturally. If god created the world by an act of will, without any raw material, then it is just his will made nothing else and who will believe this silly stuff?

If he is ever perfect, and complete, how could the will to create have arisen in him? If, on the other hand, he is not perfect, he could no more create the universe than a potter could. If he is formless, actionless, and all-embracing, how could he have created the world? Such a soul, devoid of all modality, would have no desire to create anything.

If you say that he created to no purpose, because it was his nature to do so then god is pointless. If he created in some kind of sport, it was the sport of a foolish child, leading to trouble. If he created out of love for living things and need of them he made the world; why did he not make creation wholly blissful, free from misfortune?

Thus the doctrine that the world was created by god makes no sense at all.

wslm.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It makes more sense to me that the universe doesn't have a creator. This is mostly for reasons you either wouldn't understand or wouldn't want to understand. All I will say is that there is evidence for the existence of the universe everywhere I look, listen or feel. For a creator thereof ... not so much. The way things are, the way seeming order always turns out to be nothing more than "seeming" - everything we know or discover leads inexorably to the belief that there is no Grand Plan in place, there is no Divine Planner behind it all. Things are as they are because that's the way they worked out, not because some super being in the sky wanted them to work out that way. (BTW, we've checked the sky, and there's no super being there ... where should we llook next?)


No, I know that evolution is the best explanation of how we arrived at the place where we are. It fits with all the evidence and shows Creationism up for the stupidity that it is. Abiogenisis fits the evidence as well; the only question is "how", not "whether" it happened. One way I'm sure it didn't happen is by some super being telling things to "be", and suddenly they were. That's like some shit out of Harry Potter or Hans Christian Anderson. Nice stories for the kids, but there must be something wrong with an adult who still believes it.

And you still haven't answered my question: by what mechanism did this Allah of yours create not only life, but the universe and everything it contains? Do you have an answer to that that contains more than just a wave of the hands and a "yadda, yadda, yadda, there was a universe"?

the reason we believe in god because that NOTING can happen without make it happen

Except for god that is.

 

[crispy]

Since Syed has no problem making absolutist certain claims, you could as easily say that a universe without god makes sense because that is reality. Reality makes more since than fairy tails.

cars without engineers makes no sense

universe / life without god makes no sense

Did you skip my question on purpose?

 

[Keith&Co.]

How surprising.

HOW did Allah make everything?

allah has power over ALL elements, he can makes anything he want by his command

That's not a 'how,' Syed.
And there's no evidence that the elements are voice-activated.

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the first law of thermodynamics states that mass/energy can neither be created or destroyed.

One wonders why God violates his own laws...?

in the quran god said he created universe from smoke like dust

so universe from NOTHING makes no sense

Where'd the smoke like dust come from?

 

[skepticalbip]

Since Syed has no problem making absolutist certain claims, you could as easily say that a universe without god makes sense because that is reality. Reality makes more since than fairy tails.

cars without engineers makes no sense

Are you claiming that Allah is a mechanical device (created by humans) that is prone to breaking down?

I would agree with some of that. Allah was created by humans and is prone to revisions when needed.

universe / life without god makes no sense

In the same way that my home town makes no sense without dragons and fairies.

 

[Syed]

in the quran god said he created universe from smoke like dust

so universe from NOTHING makes no sense

The quraan says many things...


Here is a quote from another Hanuman Ji (as you call them) :Jinasena Mahapurana

Some foolish men declare that Creator made the world. The doctrine that the world was created is ill-advised, and should be rejected.
If god created the world, where was he before creation?

If you say he was transcendent then, and needed no support, where is he now? No single being had the skill to make the world - for how can an immaterial god create that which is material? How could god have made the world without any raw material? If you say he made this first, and then the world, you are face with an endless regression.

If you declare that the raw material arose naturally you fall into another fallacy, for the whole universe might thus have been its own creator, and have risen equally naturally. If god created the world by an act of will, without any raw material, then it is just his will made nothing else and who will believe this silly stuff?

If he is ever perfect, and complete, how could the will to create have arisen in him? If, on the other hand, he is not perfect, he could no more create the universe than a potter could. If he is formless, actionless, and all-embracing, how could he have created the world? Such a soul, devoid of all modality, would have no desire to create anything.

If you say that he created to no purpose, because it was his nature to do so then god is pointless. If he created in some kind of sport, it was the sport of a foolish child, leading to trouble. If he created out of love for living things and need of them he made the world; why did he not make creation wholly blissful, free from misfortune?

Thus the doctrine that the world was created by god makes no sense at all.

wslm.

how does universe created itself?

 

[jonJ]

how does universe created itself?

Here's one possibility: whatever it is you imagine your god did just happened by itself. And since you can't explain how a god does anything, there's no way for you to show that the presence of a god is necessary for whatever you think happened.

There's no way of distinguishing between "An undetectable god made the universe by magic" and "The universe came into being by magic, all by itself". And the second has the advantage of being simpler.

You explain what happened -- with evidence -- and I'll explain why a god's not necessary.

 

[Syed]

the reason we believe in god because that NOTING can happen without make it happen

Except for god that is.

please explain what do you mean by that ?

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allah has power over ALL elements, he can makes anything he want by his command

That's not a 'how,' Syed.
And there's no evidence that the elements are voice-activated.

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the first law of thermodynamics states that mass/energy can neither be created or destroyed.

One wonders why God violates his own laws...?

in the quran god said he created universe from smoke like dust

so universe from NOTHING makes no sense

Where'd the smoke like dust come from?

does not explain

 

[Syed]

universe without god makes sense ? why?

It makes sense because it is simpler. It is simpler because in a universe without god you wont also have to explain god. Explain to me why god is loving. And no, I don't believe in your book, so please reference something else.

your answer does not satisfied me

 

[Syed]

how does universe created itself?

Here's one possibility: whatever it is you imagine your god did just happened by itself. And since you can't explain how a god does anything, there's no way for you to show that the presence of a god is necessary for whatever you think happened.

There's no way of distinguishing between "An undetectable god made the universe by magic" and "The universe came into being by magic, all by itself". And the second has the advantage of being simpler.

You explain what happened -- with evidence -- and I'll explain why a god's not necessary.

no one know how universe and life come about, IF you did knew its just your IMAGINATION nothing more

 

[bilby]

Here's one possibility: whatever it is you imagine your god did just happened by itself. And since you can't explain how a god does anything, there's no way for you to show that the presence of a god is necessary for whatever you think happened.

There's no way of distinguishing between "An undetectable god made the universe by magic" and "The universe came into being by magic, all by itself". And the second has the advantage of being simpler.

You explain what happened -- with evidence -- and I'll explain why a god's not necessary.

no one know how universe and life come about, IF you did knew its just your IMAGINATION nothing more

Exactly.

And yet, you claim to know.

Strange.

 

[skepticalbip]

It makes sense because it is simpler. It is simpler because in a universe without god you wont also have to explain god. Explain to me why god is loving. And no, I don't believe in your book, so please reference something else.

your answer does not satisfied me

Thanks, Syed. That is funny as hell and I do enjoy a good laugh.

 

[atrib]

Here's one possibility: whatever it is you imagine your god did just happened by itself. And since you can't explain how a god does anything, there's no way for you to show that the presence of a god is necessary for whatever you think happened.

There's no way of distinguishing between "An undetectable god made the universe by magic" and "The universe came into being by magic, all by itself". And the second has the advantage of being simpler.

You explain what happened -- with evidence -- and I'll explain why a god's not necessary.

no one know how universe and life come about, IF you did knew its just your IMAGINATION nothing more

You mean no one except you knows, correct?

And you are right; claiming that Allah created the universe because a syphilitic, pedophile bandit prophet wrote a story about it many years ago is purely imagination.

You have the critical thinking skills of a six year old child, at best. But you are entertaining, and persistent.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Except for god that is.

please explain what do you mean by that ?

You rail about the insanity that is an uncaused universe, yet give a pass on the uncaused god. Seems quite inconsistent.

 

[Keith&Co.]

does not explain

I know you don't.

Look, according to you nothing comes from nothing, so something had to exist for all eternity. Allah and smoke and dust, apparently.
Why is Allah necesary, though?
Why can't the smoke and dust have just done the so-far undescribed act that you think Allah did?

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no one know how universe and life come about,

Then it's not possible for you to point to anyone else's theory and say 'that's wrong.'
Because you don't know.

 

[Syed]

allah has power over ALL elements, he can makes anything he want by his command

That's not a 'how,' Syed.
And there's no evidence that the elements are voice-activated.

human are earth's elements we can hear, talk, see, walk, feel, smell

god has power over all thing

 

[Syed]

no one know how universe and life come about, IF you did knew its just your IMAGINATION nothing more

Exactly.

And yet, you claim to know.

Strange.

since science does not know about origin of universe, god theory makes sense

 

[bilby]

Exactly.

And yet, you claim to know.

Strange.

since science does not know about origin of universe, god theory makes sense

since science does not know about origin of god, flying spaghetti monster theory makes sense

 

[skepticalbip]

Exactly.

And yet, you claim to know.

Strange.

since science does not know about origin of universe, god theory makes sense

Since even the greatest scholar of the Quran does not know about the origin of Allah, an eternal universe without a god or a spontaneously occurring universe without a god or an eternally cyclic universe without a god makes sense.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Exactly.

And yet, you claim to know.

Strange.

since science does not know about origin of universe, god theory makes sense

Dude, when you die, you will be awarded the worst apologist for Allah Award by Allah.