Islamic Terrorism in Spain

[Derec]

And the Islamic terrorists are back at it. First a "van of peace" struck some pedestrians in Barcelona, for which ISIS claimed responsibility. Then, there was a second attempt in Cambrils (70 miles from Barcelona), but luckily it was foiled and terrorists shot and killed.
Van Hits Pedestrians in Deadly Barcelona Terror Attack

In related news, the illegal mass migration from Africa seems to be shifting toward Spain. Many of them are Moroccan, just like at least one of the terrorists in Spain yesterday, although most are from sub-Saharan West Africa.
Spain Rescues Nearly 600 People At Sea As Migration Patterns Change

A country or a region cannot have safety with unregulated migration, especially unregulated mass smigration. As long as these "rescued" migrants get free rides to Europe, nothing will change. What needs to happen is that they should be brought where they came from.

 

[Juma]

And the Islamic terrorists are back at it. First a "van of peace" struck some pedestrians in Barcelona, for which ISIS claimed responsibility. Then, there was a second attempt in Cambrils (70 miles from Barcelona), but luckily it was foiled and terrorists shot and killed.
Van Hits Pedestrians in Deadly Barcelona Terror Attack

In related news, the illegal mass migration from Africa seems to be shifting toward Spain. Many of them are Moroccan, just like at least one of the terrorists in Spain yesterday, although most are from sub-Saharan West Africa.
Spain Rescues Nearly 600 People At Sea As Migration Patterns Change

A country or a region cannot have safety with unregulated migration, especially unregulated mass smigration. As long as these "rescued" migrants get free rides to Europe, nothing will change. What needs to happen is that they should be brought where they came from.

And Derec is backat it...

2 busses... how many terrorist do you need to drive 2 busses?
Do you really think you need mass immigrarion two get 2 persons that can drive buses?
There is NO connection between immigration and the busses.

 

[Derec]

And Derec is backat it...

2 busses... how many terrorist do you need to drive 2 busses?
Do you really think you need mass immigrarion two get 2 persons that can drive buses?
There is NO connection between immigration and the busses.

The more unregulated migration you have, the more potential terrorists you let in. if you just let in every Tariq, Daoud and Hassan who comes in on a dinghy, do not be surprised when a few of them are terrorists, and many more would support abolishing secular European society and replacing them with an Islamic one. Vast majority of Afghan, Pakistani, Somali etc. populations support the Sharia Law. Vast majority support death penalty for apostates. When you take in millions of people from these societies, you also import their worldviews, and their attitudes toward secular societies of Europe. No wonder some of them choose terrorism to fight against what they hate.
Why are you so vociferously in favor of unrestricted mass migration? Do you want European population to be replaced by Arab/African and mostly Muslim population? Why are you in favor of that? Typical lefty self-loathing?

I am not calling for end to all immigration. But there should be sensible immigration policies:
- only people who are willing to integrate should be allowed to immigrate. No burqa-wearing, Sharia-supporting, Western-world-hating immigrants need apply! Enough people want to immigrate into Western societies that they can afford to be picky. There is no need to take in random boat migrants.
- only numbers needed by host countries should be allowed to immigrate. The current level of migration into Europe (and also US) is too high for the needs of the host societies.
- only legal immigration should be tolerated.
And if immigrants commit serious crimes, or develop radical views opposed to their host societies, they should be deported. That last bit should apply especially to preachers, as they can radicalize others.
I do not see why any of these points should be in any way controversial.

 

[dismal]

And Derec is backat it...

Well, that didn't take long. This thread is not about Derec.

It turns out some people consider a car deliberately ramming into civilians newsworthy. Even when it's not done by a white supremacist.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I'd just like to point out that there are some very nice people in ISIS and we should remember that there's violence on both sides. They're all just as bad as each other and we shouldn't focus on condemning terrorists simply because they're the ones with a backwards, hate-filled ideology who are actively murdering innocent civilians.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Islamic Terrorism is in a rather special place, it is happening badly in the first world but not in the US. So the standard American cognitive dissonance is kicking in about how it is bad in places we think are civilized but not bad because it isn't happening to us specifically.

 

[TSwizzle]

Islamic Terrorism is in a rather special place, it is happening badly in the first world but not in the US. So the standard American cognitive dissonance is kicking in about how it is bad in places we think are civilized but not bad because it isn't happening to us specifically.

It does happen here. Maybe not as frequently as in Europe but it does happen.

 

[dismal]

I'd just like to point out that there are some very nice people in ISIS and we should remember that there's violence on both sides. They're all just as bad as each other and we shouldn't focus on condemning terrorists simply because they're the ones with a backwards, hate-filled ideology who are actively murdering innocent civilians.

Yeah, fortunately with the new found clarity of blaming the evil ideology of the people who actually did it the left has recently discovered we won't have to endure the usual claims this is due to the US invasion of Iraq.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Yes, it does happen here. But unless it is a big thing here most Americans won't notice it. Sad, really, because it makes the conversations about it difficult at times.

 

[Elixir]

Islamic Terrorism is in a rather special place, it is happening badly in the first world but not in the US. So the standard American cognitive dissonance is kicking in about how it is bad in places we think are civilized but not bad because it isn't happening to us specifically.

It does happen here. Maybe not as frequently as in Europe but it does happen.

Nazi/white supremacist terrorism seems more common in the US than in Europe though.

 

[TSwizzle]

Yes, it does happen here. But unless it is a big thing here most Americans won't notice it. Sad, really, because it makes the conversations about it difficult at times.

It's as "big as thing" here in the USA as anywhere else and people do notice it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes, it does happen here. But unless it is a big thing here most Americans won't notice it. Sad, really, because it makes the conversations about it difficult at times.

It's as "big as thing" here in the USA as anywhere else and people do notice it.

How much are we spending on the "war on terror"? $100ish billion? If that isn't taking notice...

 

[TSwizzle]

More than 300 killed by allah's holy warriors in two years;

Europol chief warned British tourists that they face highest threat in Europe for a generation, to be vigilant while visiting Spain, and said additional terror-related incidents were 'likely'.

DailyMail

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

More than 300 killed by allah's holy warriors in two years;

Europol chief warned British tourists that they face highest threat in Europe for a generation, to be vigilant while visiting Spain, and said additional terror-related incidents were 'likely'.

DailyMail

I emphasized that, because the word is singular tense. In 1988, nearly 450 died in Europe because of terrorism. '02, '03, '06, '08, '09, '10, '12, '13, '14 were years of almost no terror related deaths. Yes, these attacks are awful, they are terrible, but it has been much worse and more consistent in the past. The whole, 'the world is tearing at the seams' is a gross exaggeration.

 

[Derec]

And now there has been a deadly stabbing in Finland.
Finland stabbings: Turku killings being investigated as terror attack, police say

The culprit is another Moroccan, another Muslim. How can anybody say that this wave of terror has nothing to do with the misguided policy of allowing unrestricted mass migration into Europe?

 

[whichphilosophy]

There is a terrorist problem in Europe.

 

[iolo]

There is a terrorist problem in Europe.

Because there was a colonialist problem in the Middle East, which continues. The difficulty is that those who spend most time shouting about it have no solution - just a primitive urge to make it much, much worse!

 

[bilby]

More than 300 killed by allah's holy warriors in two years;

Europol chief warned British tourists that they face highest threat in Europe for a generation, to be vigilant while visiting Spain, and said additional terror-related incidents were 'likely'.

DailyMail

More than 300 in two years, across Europe??? OMFG!!!! that's one eighth of the number of people killed in Spain alone in motor vehicle crashes.

In 2016 alone, across the EU, 25.500 people died in road crashes. That means that the risk to British tourists from motor vehicles is at least 170 times greater than their risk from terrorists - probably somewhat more than that, as British Tourists are used to vehicles using the other side of the road.

And yet Europol, the UK Government, and the Daily Mail are all derelict in their duty to warn British tourists in Europe to be vigilant when visiting the EU, lest they become a casualty of the road carnage.

For each and every person killed by terrorists in Europe, 170 people died in road traffic crashes.

Get a fucking grip; vigilance when crossing the road or driving a car is important; Vigilance against the 'threat' of terrorism is of value only to the fear-mongers who want to sell newspapers and restrict citizen's rights and freedoms. And it is 0.0059 times as important as being careful on the roads, and deserves proportionally less news coverage. Do we see 170 Daily Mail articles and TFT threads on how to safely drive on an Autobahn for each article about terrorism? No? Why do you imagine that is?

Perhaps being hit by a van makes you 170 times more dead if it is driven by a Muslim extremist, than it does if it is driven by a dutch teenager who is busy texting her boyfriend?

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There is a terrorist problem in Europe.

No; There is a problem of European (and particularly British) tabloids giving vast amounts of free publicity to terrorists, because they share an agenda - both the terrorists and the tabloid owners want to limit Europeans' freedoms.

 

[dismal]

No; There is a problem of European (and particularly British) tabloids giving vast amounts of free publicity to terrorists, because they share an agenda - both the terrorists and the tabloid owners want to limit Europeans' freedoms.

Yes, when they should be running 24-7 CNN style coverage on Nazis.

 

[Thomas II]

More than 300 killed by allah's holy warriors in two years;



DailyMail

More than 300 in two years, across Europe??? OMFG!!!! that's one eighth of the number of people killed in Spain alone in motor vehicle crashes.

In 2016 alone, across the EU, 25.500 people died in road crashes. That means that the risk to British tourists from motor vehicles is at least 170 times greater than their risk from terrorists - probably somewhat more than that, as British Tourists are used to vehicles using the other side of the road.

And yet Europol, the UK Government, and the Daily Mail are all derelict in their duty to warn British tourists in Europe to be vigilant when visiting the EU, lest they become a casualty of the road carnage.

For each and every person killed by terrorists in Europe, 170 people died in road traffic crashes.

Get a fucking grip; vigilance when crossing the road or driving a car is important; Vigilance against the 'threat' of terrorism is of value only to the fear-mongers who want to sell newspapers and restrict citizen's rights and freedoms. And it is 0.0059 times as important as being careful on the roads, and deserves proportionally less news coverage. Do we see 170 Daily Mail articles and TFT threads on how to safely drive on an Autobahn for each article about terrorism? No? Why do you imagine that is?

Perhaps being hit by a van makes you 170 times more dead if it is driven by a Muslim extremist, than it does if it is driven by a dutch teenager who is busy texting her boyfriend?

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There is a terrorist problem in Europe.

No; There is a problem of European (and particularly British) tabloids giving vast amounts of free publicity to terrorists, because they share an agenda - both the terrorists and the tabloid owners want to limit Europeans' freedoms.

Terrorism in Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe