Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government

[Derec]

Your inhumanity is not an argument.

The refutation of iolo's ridiculous (and frankly antisemitic) claims is my argument.

Palestinians by the scores have been murdered, tortured, kidnapped, denied their rights, had their economy and futures destroyed for decades.

BS, and you know it. When a Palestinian terrorist is killed, that is not murder. It is self-defense.
And bogus claims of torture are just that, bogus. For example, one of the organizers of the Day Withot Women (a sort of Pussy Hat March MkII), Rasmea Odeh was a Palestinian terrorist who feebly claimed she was "tortured" (without any evidence) to avoid deportation once US authorities (20 years late btw) realized they did not vet her and allowed her to immigrate and even fraudulently obtain citizenship.
The Palestinian Woman Convicted of Terror Casting a Shadow Over 'Day Without Women'
It's easy for terrorists to claim "torture" but that doesn't mean its true.

That Palestinians live a long time in the face of this insane and nonstop oppression is not any possible excuse for it.

Is is certainly an refutation of iolo's antisemitic claims that Israel operates "death camps" for Palestinians. Death camps are incompatible with extremely low death rates and exploding (no pun intended) population.

 

[Derec]

They make the same hand gesture.
Therefore they are the same thing.

They are not the same thing, but Palestinian terrorists are obviously inspired by Nazi Germany. Why else would they be aping the Nazi Salute?
Or are you seriously going to pretend that the Palestinian use of the Hitlergruß is mere coincidence?

An argument a three year old would be ashamed to make.

That's because three year olds do not know much if any history.

Palestinians have the daily VICTIMS of massive torture and terrorism for decades.

Bullshit. They are perpetrators of terrorism.

The Israelis are the Nazi's here. And the Palestinians are the French resistance.

Antisemitic twaddle. Also, there are no apstrophes in plurals.

Many of the scum you find supporting Israeli Nazis also support Trump. These are the people that allow despotism to reign.

If you look in the region, who are the despots? Not Netanyahu, who is fairly and democratically elected head of governmment of Israel, but for example Abbas, who is currently in year 13 of his 4 year term. Or Hamas who violently took power in Gaza and is oppressing the population severely not only with harsh Islamic rules but also by diverting aid for their own nefarious purposes.

 

[untermensche]

The refutation of iolo's ridiculous (and frankly antisemitic) claims is my argument.

Palestinians by the scores have been murdered, tortured, kidnapped, denied their rights, had their economy and futures destroyed for decades.

BS, and you know it. When a Palestinian terrorist is killed, that is not murder. It is self-defense.

We're talking about the murder of innocent civilians. The sadistic torture of innocents.

Palestinians live in a constant state of terrorism against them.

A sadistic terrorist state that is slowly stealing all their land is oppressing them. They live in a state of deliberate oppression.

They live in the immoral apartheid state of Israel.

 

[Derec]

We're talking about the murder of innocent civilians.

LIke who for example?

The sadistic torture of innocents.

Like who for example?

Palestinians live in a constant state of terrorism against them.

You got it exactly backward.

A sadistic terrorist state that is slowly stealing all their land is oppressing them.

The "sadistic terrorist state" being Hamas-ruled Gaza.

They live in a state of deliberate oppression.

By the likes of Hamas, although PA is only marginally better.

They live in the immoral apartheid state of Israel.

No, they do not.

 

[ZiprHead]

Palestinian toddler was burned to death in his West Bank home in Molotov cocktail attack

I guess it's okay when Israelis do it.

 

[iolo]

Obviously your hero

He is the hero of the Palestinian terrorists. As such, he is probably also your hero, since you seem to like everything Hamas et al like.

Then there is a store in Gaza City literally named after Hitler.
'Name of shop is Hitler and I like him because he was the most anti Jewish person'

So tell me iolo, whose hero is Hitler really?

Yours, obviously - you hate real Jews and prefer a nasty little Volk killing Semites in their own country.

 

[Derec]

Palestinian toddler was burned to death in his West Bank home in Molotov cocktail attack

I guess it's okay when Israelis do it.

Who said it was ok?
From your link:

"PM Netanyahu called firebombing an 'act of terrorism in every respect' and ordered hunt for the perpetrators"

Those responsible were later charged with murder:
Israel Charges Two in Relation to Duma Arson Attack, Death of Ali Dawabsheh

The response of the Israeli government to terrorism by Israelis is diametrically opposed to the response to terrorism by the Palestinian Authority which pays terrorists and their families generous stipends and also names buildings after terrorists. And it is even more differnet than the Hamas government of Gaza, which are themselves murderous terrorists.



P.S.: Has "Daily Fail" become an acceptable source again.

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Yours, obviously - you hate real Jews

Real Jews?

 

[ZiprHead]

P.S.: Has "Daily Fail" become an acceptable source again.

What difference does it make. You already acknowledged it happened.

 

[Derec]

What difference does it make.

On the Internet nobody knows that you are really Hillary Clinton. Lol.

In rare occasions I have posted something from DM before, I was always attacked about using it as a source.

You already acknowledged it happened.

I never claimed I didn't.
But I fail to see what you bringing it up is supposed to show. Israel can't control every one of its millions of citizens. But their response to this attack bolsters my side of the argument, not yours, unter's and iolo's. Israel condemed the attack and is trying the attackers for murder. Palestinian Authority praises terrorists attacks against Israel, pays terrorists money and names things after terrorists to further honor them.

 

[untermensche]

LIke who for example?

The sadistic torture of innocents.

Like who for example?

What are you talking about? There is case after case.

Israeli torture of Palestinian children 'institutional'

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/01/coercion-violence-threats-torture-israeli-style-170129092739964.html

Only the very very ignorant and biased can't see the difference between a brutal apartheid state and the expected consequences of that torture.

Israel IS the apartheid state.

Palestinian resistance is the natural consequences.

 

[Derec]

What are you talking about? There is case after case.

Then you should have an easy time finding a few.

Israeli torture of Palestinian children 'institutional'

You are shifting goalposts. Your initial claim was "sadistic torture of innocents", not "enhanced interrogation techniques used on terrorism suspects".
And note that your source is Al Jazeera, the state organ of the Qatari government which is, along with Iran, the main backer of Hamas terrorists. They are not exactly the most unbiased source out there, and not even they talk of "sadistic torture of innocents".

Only the very very ignorant and biased can't see the difference between a brutal apartheid state and the expected consequences of that torture.

Only the wilfully blind and the antisemites can't see the difference between a country defeding itself against an existential terrorist threat and terrorist who seek to destroy Israel and (in case of Islamic Jihad and Hamas) impose an Islamic theocracy in the entire region.

Palestinian resistance is the natural consequences.

It's the opposite. Israeli crackdown on terrorists is the natural consequence of decades of murderous Palestinian terrorism.

 

[zorq]

"Enhanced interrogation techniques" is always a euphemism for "torture." Always.

 

[untermensche]

Then you should have an easy time finding a few.

I just gave you thousands. Nothing I give you will matter because you have been dehumanized and do not even think Palestinians are humans worthy of rights.

Israeli torture of Palestinian children 'institutional'

You are shifting goalposts. Your initial claim was "sadistic torture of innocents", not "enhanced interrogation techniques used on terrorism suspects".
And note that your source is Al Jazeera, the state organ of the Qatari government which is, along with Iran, the main backer of Hamas terrorists. They are not exactly the most unbiased source out there, and not even they talk of "sadistic torture of innocents".

No shift. Institutional torture is what you are defending. Torture to quell resistance against oppression.

Only the very very ignorant and biased can't see the difference between a brutal apartheid state and the expected consequences of that torture.

Only the wilfully blind and the antisemites can't see the difference between a country defeding itself against an existential terrorist threat and terrorist who seek to destroy Israel and (in case of Islamic Jihad and Hamas) impose an Islamic theocracy in the entire region.

Israel is not a Semite. It is a brutal modern apartheid state.

There were defenders of the apartheid state of South Africa too. And those who called Mandela a terrorist.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This is a very common strategy over there--the Palestinians build something with outside help on land they do not own or with other major irregularities. They then cry to the world press when Israel stops them.

What makes you say the people of Jubbet al-Dhib don't own the land? Their town was founded while the British were still in charge. Did someone forget to file the proper paperwork and if so, how in the heck did you find out about it?

Read again. "Or with other major irregularities."

Such as not bothering with getting building permits.

Or in another such case, keeping rebuilding a camp on an archeological site where nobody is permitted to build.

This is pure anti-Israel propaganda funded by fools in the EU.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That place and areas in it have gone through several names:

• Canaan
• Palestine: Peleset ~ Philistia ~ Palaestina ~ Filastin
• Israel
• Judah ~ Judea

Interesting list, but it doesn't appear to have anything to do with Loren's allegations about Palestinians building on land they don't own and his excuses for Israelis stealing donated solar panels from impoverished villagers living outside of Israel.

You tell me what country this travel poster was promoting:

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-solar-panels-palestinians-seize-dutch-government-donate-jubbet-al-dhib-area-c-a7820711.html?cmpid=facebook-post

The article has an error.

It says;

building permits are almost impossible to obtain.

This should be corrected to read:

building permits are almost impossible to obtain.

And what is your evidence they are impossible to obtain? Is that truth or just part of the propaganda?

 

[LordKiran]

The article has an error.

It says;

building permits are almost impossible to obtain.

This should be corrected to read:

building permits are almost impossible to obtain.

And what is your evidence they are impossible to obtain? Is that truth or just part of the propaganda?

Remember how after the civil war it was next to impossible for blacks to vote in the south? Practically speaking, this is the same as it being completely impossible and the only people interested in quibbling over the word 'impossible' are people looking for a pedantic leg to stand on.

Tell me, LP. Is stealing okay? Is it okay to take other people's property from them?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Which should cause difficulty for certain jingoistic defenders of Israel. What is one supposed to do if building permits are almost impossible to get?

While just a few miles away, completely illegal Jewish settlements are left untouched.

They sometimes get demolished also.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah, the worst thing Hitler ever did to the Jews was to demolish some illegally built power plants.

I do not know how people can make idiotic claims of "death camps" with a straight face while the Palestinian population enjoys one of the lowest death rates in the world and doubles every ~20 years.

Your inhumanity is not an argument.

Palestinians by the scores have been murdered, tortured, kidnapped, denied their rights, had their economy and futures destroyed for decades. Israel is a despicable apartheid state. And it is all over some primitive religious texts that only the insane take seriously.

That Palestinians live a long time in the face of this insane and nonstop oppression is not any possible excuse for it.

The primary group that is hurting the Palestinians is the Palestinian Authority and Hamas.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

They are not the same thing, but Palestinian terrorists are obviously inspired by Nazi Germany. Why else would they be aping the Nazi Salute?

Objection: "Aping" implies mindless copying. I see no reason to say it's mindless.