Jamar Clark Protests: 5 Shot Near Black Lives Matter Encampment

[repoman]

The Fire Rises is related to "Baneposting" which came from this scene:



It may have been adopted for the meaning you said, not sure...




But even for non radical whites the issue of avoiding even passing through shitty black neighborhoods the cause from redlining, property taxes going to local schools to richer get better ones, white flight are complex problems. I would say that property taxes to pay for education is rooted in classism and racism.

BUT, for a white person the rational decision is to NOT live in shitty areas with blacks - even if that same shittiness was partially caused by white politicians and voters. I won't be made to feel bad about not wanting to live in a black area after having been attacked by blacks twice as a white teenager back in the day.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Also, in case you're wondering what kind of people you're defending: that was a reference to /pol/ on 4chan. The kind of wonderful shit you are likely to find on Pol includes:

I think this is an issue with no good guys. It's just assholes don't forfeit their right of self defense.

 

[RavenSky]

Also, in case you're wondering what kind of people you're defending: that was a reference to /pol/ on 4chan. The kind of wonderful shit you are likely to find on Pol includes:

I think this is an issue with no good guys. It's just assholes don't forfeit their right of self defense.

But, per your own claims, the instigators do. And in this case, the asshole alt-right dickheads were the instigators

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I think this is an issue with no good guys. It's just assholes don't forfeit their right of self defense.

But, per your own claims, the instigators do. And in this case, the asshole alt-right dickheads were the instigators

The question is whether they really instigated or not.

Filming something that somebody doesn't want filmed isn't instigating.

 

[repoman]

But, per your own claims, the instigators do. And in this case, the asshole alt-right dickheads were the instigators

The question is whether they really instigated or not.

Filming something that somebody doesn't want filmed isn't instigating.

hmm, the stuff they said in the car when coming to the protest was crazy, but if the protestors did not know about it then it was not incitement.

It does make it more likely that they would incite. They were already doing IRL trolling.

At any rate this is a video from that night, go to 1:30 for it:

 

[laughing dog]

But, per your own claims, the instigators do. And in this case, the asshole alt-right dickheads were the instigators

The question is whether they really instigated or not.

Filming something that somebody doesn't want filmed isn't instigating.

Hold on here. The police investigated this matter and the police think it was instigating.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Given the rhetoric of BLM I am a little surprised that we haven't seen more KKK type white supremacists acting up in response. Where have these people been? Have there been no more marches or protests or even fred Phelps style shoutings in the corner by white bigots? Or has explicit white bigotry been reduced to implicit police bias (or accusations thereof)?

 

[arkirk]

Given the rhetoric of BLM I am a little surprised that we haven't seen more KKK type white supremacists acting up in response. Where have these people been? Have there been no more marches or protests or even fred Phelps style shoutings in the corner by white bigots? Or has explicit white bigotry been reduced to implicit police bias (or accusations thereof)?

KKK type white supremacists are generally cowards that do things like bomb schools and lynch hopelessly outnumbered foes. Thank your lucky stars the KKK is not to active in your neighborhood. They really are nothing more than a group dedicated to white priviledge. The police bias is real. You give people guns and send them out to "keep the peace." The prime directive is nowhere near explicit enough. KKK idiots are a lot less sure of themselves. They have the same kind of prime directive with no restrictions except don't get caught. They really would avoid a BLM group. They are cowards after all.

 

[RavenSky]

But, per your own claims, the instigators do. And in this case, the asshole alt-right dickheads were the instigators

The question is whether they really instigated or not.

Filming something that somebody doesn't want filmed isn't instigating.

They are on record as saying they went there to instigate. They did, they got a reaction, and then they shot the gun they took with them to that rally.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Also, in case you're wondering what kind of people you're defending: that was a reference to /pol/ on 4chan. The kind of wonderful shit you are likely to find on Pol includes:

I think this is an issue with no good guys. It's just assholes don't forfeit their right of self defense.

"No clean hands" remember? We have a look at their motivations for going there in the first place and we can plainly see they went there looking for trouble. It's no different from when YOU initially called the protesters "thugs" for openly talking about the incident on Youtube (supposedly indicating that they culturally approved of violence, and thus we could glean something from their worldview from the fact that they posted the videos).

I also have been negligent in calling you on your other bullshit canard: that the protestors actually assaulted the gunmen is very much in dispute. By the accounts of MOST of the witnesses, they were intercepted by several people who forcibly -- though far from "gently" -- escorted them to a safe distance away from the rally; one of the gunmen got angry (angrier?) and a fight erupted. No one is sure who threw the first punch, only that the gunmen fired into the crowd BEFORE they ran away.

You are still puzzled why people think you're at least as racist and authority-worshipping as Derec? It's because you CLEARLY do not hold black people and white people to the same standard of conduct. The shooters in this case did exactly what you've accused the protesters of doing, and the actions they took -- that you are attempting to defend -- are actions you would AND HAVE condemned if their races were reversed.

 

[Mumbles]

Also, in case you're wondering what kind of people you're defending: that was a reference to /pol/ on 4chan. The kind of wonderful shit you are likely to find on Pol includes:

I think this is an issue with no good guys. It's just assholes don't forfeit their right of self defense.

Well, no. I'm all for self-defense, but someone who causes a fight, and then starts busting shots when they get punched in the face for their efforts, is not acting in defense. Quite the opposite, they are ramping up their attack.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Given the rhetoric of BLM I am a little surprised that we haven't seen more KKK type white supremacists acting up in response. Where have these people been? Have there been no more marches or protests or even fred Phelps style shoutings in the corner by white bigots? Or has explicit white bigotry been reduced to implicit police bias (or accusations thereof)?

KKK type white supremacists are generally cowards that do things like bomb schools and lynch hopelessly outnumbered foes.

Fine, but where are they? When was the last time they marched through a town or bombed schools or lynched hopelessly outnumbered foes? There was a time when a black man walking into a white area of town and say walking into a white diner and sitting at the lunch counter was putting a target on his head for certain physical harm. It used to be a real thing to legit fear right? Is it still? I would have expected them to come out in force following displays like BLM and their ilk have done, not just against police but against white people and "white privilege" etc, but I haven't seen it. Maybe I've just missed it or it hasn't been reported on?

I've seen a few rabid anti-white people in the vids of protests I have seen, where white people are targeted for being white and attacked (verbally mostly, but also physically a few times). Where are black people being attacked explicitly just for being black? At least the police alleged to be abusive towards blacks deny it and put forth excuses.

Granted, I am asian and from Canada, so I can only gather from the news, online, and what people tell me, but I feel the need to ask: Given two neighbourhoods, one mostly black and one mostly white, that are equal in wealth and general crime rate, at this point would a white man walking through the black neighbourhood be safer, or would a black man walking through the white neighbourhood? Which direction is the street level race hatred tilted?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

KKK type white supremacists are generally cowards that do things like bomb schools and lynch hopelessly outnumbered foes.

Fine, but where are they? When was the last time they marched through a town or bombed schools or lynched hopelessly outnumbered foes?

The FBI busted them up in the 80s and did a remarkably good job of cracking down on groups that actually ACTED OUT violently. Since then they've gone underground and only act when they're sure they can get away with it and it won't attract attention to themselves.

That doesn't mean shit doesn't still happen. There are the lone wolf Timothy McVeighs and Dylan Roofs who would probably (and ironically) not cause as much mayhem as they did if they had actually fallen in with a white supremacist group that gave them a safer, less destructive outlet for their hatred.

The other dimension is, white nationalist groups that realized their brand had been poisoned by the victories of the civil rights movement and federal cooperation with it piggybacked their ideology onto other organizations and stayed out of the spotlight. Especially in Greater Chicago, there are several chapters of the Fraternal Order of Police that either started that way or eventually became fronts for the Illinois Klans. White Supremacists have found they have ALOT of room to maneuver when they partner with law enforcement, just as long as they aren't too loud about it (and sometimes even then).

Given two neighbourhoods, one mostly black and one mostly white, that are equal in wealth and general crime rate, at this point would a white man walking through the black neighbourhood be safer, or would a black man walking through the white neighbourhood?

The white man would be safer, mainly because he would be less likely to be stopped and/or shot by police officers on suspicion of committing a crime.

Which direction is the street level race hatred tilted?

When is the last time you saw an "All lives matter" protest?

 

[repoman]

Fine, but where are they? When was the last time they marched through a town or bombed schools or lynched hopelessly outnumbered foes?

The FBI busted them up in the 80s and did a remarkably good job of cracking down on groups that actually ACTED OUT violently. Since then they've gone underground and only act when they're sure they can get away with it and it won't attract attention to themselves.

That doesn't mean shit doesn't still happen. There are the lone wolf Timothy McVeighs and Dylan Roofs who would probably (and ironically) not cause as much mayhem as they did if they had actually fallen in with a white supremacist group that gave them a safer, less destructive outlet for their hatred.

The other dimension is, white nationalist groups that realized their brand had been poisoned by the victories of the civil rights movement and federal cooperation with it piggybacked their ideology onto other organizations and stayed out of the spotlight. Especially in Greater Chicago, there are several chapters of the Fraternal Order of Police that either started that way or eventually became fronts for the Illinois Klans. White Supremacists have found they have ALOT of room to maneuver when they partner with law enforcement, just as long as they aren't too loud about it (and sometimes even then).

Given two neighbourhoods, one mostly black and one mostly white, that are equal in wealth and general crime rate, at this point would a white man walking through the black neighbourhood be safer, or would a black man walking through the white neighbourhood?

The white man would be safer, mainly because he would be less likely to be stopped and/or shot by police officers on suspicion of committing a crime.

Which direction is the street level race hatred tilted?

When is the last time you saw an "All lives matter" protest?

check out http://newnation.org for some perspective on your question.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The FBI busted them up in the 80s and did a remarkably good job of cracking down on groups that actually ACTED OUT violently. Since then they've gone underground and only act when they're sure they can get away with it and it won't attract attention to themselves.

That doesn't mean shit doesn't still happen. There are the lone wolf Timothy McVeighs and Dylan Roofs who would probably (and ironically) not cause as much mayhem as they did if they had actually fallen in with a white supremacist group that gave them a safer, less destructive outlet for their hatred.

The other dimension is, white nationalist groups that realized their brand had been poisoned by the victories of the civil rights movement and federal cooperation with it piggybacked their ideology onto other organizations and stayed out of the spotlight. Especially in Greater Chicago, there are several chapters of the Fraternal Order of Police that either started that way or eventually became fronts for the Illinois Klans. White Supremacists have found they have ALOT of room to maneuver when they partner with law enforcement, just as long as they aren't too loud about it (and sometimes even then).

Given two neighbourhoods, one mostly black and one mostly white, that are equal in wealth and general crime rate, at this point would a white man walking through the black neighbourhood be safer, or would a black man walking through the white neighbourhood?

The white man would be safer, mainly because he would be less likely to be stopped and/or shot by police officers on suspicion of committing a crime.

Which direction is the street level race hatred tilted?

When is the last time you saw an "All lives matter" protest?

check out http://newnation.org for some perspective on your question.

That gives me pause

 

[Nice Squirrel]

http://www.startribune.com/scarsell...2476503/?om_rid=AABkxB&om_mid=_BYkmP1B80DeRKV

Guilty.

 

[laughing dog]

http://www.startribune.com/scarsell...2476503/?om_rid=AABkxB&om_mid=_BYkmP1B80DeRKV

Guilty.

Only after 7 hours of deliberation. Which means the jury found the case pretty convincing and the defense very unconvincing.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Also, in case you're wondering what kind of people you're defending: that was a reference to /pol/ on 4chan. The kind of wonderful shit you are likely to find on Pol includes:

I think this is an issue with no good guys. It's just assholes don't forfeit their right of self defense.

Turns out the jury sees things differently.

 

[Toni]

KKK type white supremacists are generally cowards that do things like bomb schools and lynch hopelessly outnumbered foes.

Fine, but where are they? When was the last time they marched through a town or bombed schools or lynched hopelessly outnumbered foes? There was a time when a black man walking into a white area of town and say walking into a white diner and sitting at the lunch counter was putting a target on his head for certain physical harm. It used to be a real thing to legit fear right? Is it still? I would have expected them to come out in force following displays like BLM and their ilk have done, not just against police but against white people and "white privilege" etc, but I haven't seen it. Maybe I've just missed it or it hasn't been reported on?

I've seen a few rabid anti-white people in the vids of protests I have seen, where white people are targeted for being white and attacked (verbally mostly, but also physically a few times). Where are black people being attacked explicitly just for being black? At least the police alleged to be abusive towards blacks deny it and put forth excuses.

Granted, I am asian and from Canada, so I can only gather from the news, online, and what people tell me, but I feel the need to ask: Given two neighbourhoods, one mostly black and one mostly white, that are equal in wealth and general crime rate, at this point would a white man walking through the black neighbourhood be safer, or would a black man walking through the white neighbourhood? Which direction is the street level race hatred tilted?

The last KKK parade I am aware of was held in celebration of the election of Donald Trump on Dec. 3, 2016 in Roxboro, NC. They did move the parade a bit because there were counter protesters but they had a parade, complete with police escort

Then there was this: http://www.theroot.com/3-stabbed-at-calif-kkk-march-1790854408

There are more. You have the internet. Try a google search. I did.

A more comprehensive (if a couple of years old) overview:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/year-hate-and-extremism

Then, of course, there is Dylan Roof, who disavows membership in the KKK and is mutually disavowed, but obviously, he is both seriously mentally ill and also seriously inspired by the KKK.

Then, there's this: http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/st...ns/2015/08/13/wisconsin-hate-groups/31567043/

And this: https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-hate-crime-statistics-report-released

And a nauseating number of other incidents, compilations, etc.

FWIW, although I currently live in a small city in an overwhemingly white part of my state, I have lived on the outskirts of two large metropolitan areas with very significant (40% or higher) black population. I've never been a city person--too crowded and dense for me--but I commuted daily on public transport into the center of these cities, often the only white person on the bus or subway car. I never had a problem--not a single problem--not once. I was young, female, semi-attractive, very slight build (topped out at 100 lbs), etc. Never was concerned about my safety because of any black person--or non-white person-- nor did I ever have reason to be.

 

[thebeave]

KKK type white supremacists are generally cowards that do things like bomb schools and lynch hopelessly outnumbered foes.

Fine, but where are they? When was the last time they marched through a town or bombed schools or lynched hopelessly outnumbered foes? There was a time when a black man walking into a white area of town and say walking into a white diner and sitting at the lunch counter was putting a target on his head for certain physical harm. It used to be a real thing to legit fear right? Is it still? I would have expected them to come out in force following displays like BLM and their ilk have done, not just against police but against white people and "white privilege" etc, but I haven't seen it. Maybe I've just missed it or it hasn't been reported on?

I've seen a few rabid anti-white people in the vids of protests I have seen, where white people are targeted for being white and attacked (verbally mostly, but also physically a few times). Where are black people being attacked explicitly just for being black? At least the police alleged to be abusive towards blacks deny it and put forth excuses.

Granted, I am asian and from Canada, so I can only gather from the news, online, and what people tell me, but I feel the need to ask: Given two neighbourhoods, one mostly black and one mostly white, that are equal in wealth and general crime rate, at this point would a white man walking through the black neighbourhood be safer, or would a black man walking through the white neighbourhood? Which direction is the street level race hatred tilted?

Well, there was this incident:

https://www.campusreform.org/index.cfm?ID=8688

Granted, this one didn't pan out, but next time it could be for reals.

Seriously, there seems to be some sort of mass hysteria going on these days with the KKK. Reminds me of those old Ghosthunter shows on Discovery channel shows a while back where a bunch of paranoid people went into some old "haunted house" at night and heard some rats running around the attic and creaking hinges and decided it was ghosts and ran screaming in terror outside. Then, to further boost their case, they process (and reprocess), amplify & filter their audio recordings until they can produce some vague sounding gibberish like "<mumble, mumble>...chicken nuggets...<faint scream in background>...textbook ankles...<more mumbling>...babysitter...". Then, they spend another day trying to crowbar that nonsense into some meaningful backstory about someone who died there 100 years ago.