January 6 Hearings Live

[ZiprHead]

The threats were also directed against the election workers mother and grandmother…,

Extremely upsetting to hear of the personal threats directed towards the family if the AZ SOS while their daughter was dying in their home! And against not only election workers but their elderly mother/grandmother.

She and her mother should sue the lot of them into oblivion.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump's 12 page response to the J6 investigation (PDF)

More of the same bullshit.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Truth doesn't matter with Trump. He creates these alternate realities that have this terrible tendency of sticking... regardless how fake they are.

I suspect Trump is a symptom and not a cause. Say 3% of Americans are not just Trump supporters, but also believe in his style of playing politics as completely legitimate. And when I say believe, I mean fanatically. That's nearly 10 million dedicated highly motivated disciples who want to see their way come into being whatever it takes. Trump didn't create this, he was simply the first Republican to say the quiet part out loud and tap into that group.

Which means unfortunately, no matter what the outcome of this committee is, this will happen again. Going after Trump is very much like arresting the bomber and leaving all the explosives behind with the front door unlocked.

Truths in there. But Trump specifically has made it a career of creating a persona and image based on one series of lies after the other.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump's 12 page response to the J6 investigation (PDF)

More of the same bullshit.

I mean, the entire world is conspiring against Trump.

 

[ZiprHead]

Exclusive: Trump's Team Setting Up Eastman to Take Blame for Jan. 6

Trump in recent weeks has told confidants that he sees no reason to defend the lawyer who tried to help him overturn the 2020 election, sources tell Rolling Stone

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With the Justice Department and Jan. 6 committee taking a close look at Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, he and his cronies could certainly use a fall guy, and it looks like they’ve found their patsy: right-wing lawyer John Eastman.

That's where the paywall hit.

Eastman is a smart guy. He should have seen this coming.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Truth doesn't matter with Trump. He creates these alternate realities that have this terrible tendency of sticking... regardless how fake they are.

I suspect Trump is a symptom and not a cause. Say 3% of Americans are not just Trump supporters, but also believe in his style of playing politics as completely legitimate. And when I say believe, I mean fanatically. That's nearly 10 million dedicated highly motivated disciples who want to see their way come into being whatever it takes. Trump didn't create this, he was simply the first Republican to say the quiet part out loud and tap into that group.

Which means unfortunately, no matter what the outcome of this committee is, this will happen again. Going after Trump is very much like arresting the bomber and leaving all the explosives behind with the front door unlocked.

This. His Flatulence was the nutcase in charge, but he's not the driving force.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

His Flatulence was the nutcase in charge, but he's not the driving force.

And why would you make this claim? You are saying a segment of the population is responsible for Orange's behavior?

 

[Patooka]

And why would you make this claim? You are saying a segment of the population is responsible for Orange's behavior?

I would say no one is responsible for Trump's behaviour except Grown Up Joffrey Cunt himself.

I would also say a significant segment of the USA's population enabled and empowered him because that is what they believe in down to their core. Anything to own the libs etc.

The two statements are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Ford]

I just watched the SOS of Arizona testify. He did an excellent job of describing how Trump, Eastman, and I think a few others asked him to change the results of the election by sending in a different set of electors. He asked them for evidence. They kept saying there was evidence of fraud and dead people voting but they never provided any evidence. He kept telling them that it would be illegal for him to do what they were asking and he intended to do what his roll as SOS demanded. He even mentioned his religious faith, proclaiming something like it would be wrong to go against God, by lying etc Too bad the other Christian Republicans don't follow the teachings of their Good Book, when it comes to lying.

He mentioned that he and his family have been targets of repeated threats etc. It got so bad at one point, that they couldn't work do to all of the interruptions.

It's sad that so many people still believe Trump's lies. Still, it good to see one more honest Republican, as they are so rare these days.

Now, the SOS chief operating officer of Georgia is testifying. Gotta go watch him.

I'm watching Rep. Bowers testify. Minor quibble...he's not Secretary of State, but rather the Speaker of the House in Arizona.

That said, while I disagree with his policy positions, I'm glad that he decided to testify. For context, there are a few Republicans left in this state's government who are deeply conservative, voted for Trump, but at the same time called bullshit on the claims of fraud. One is Stephen Richer, the current Maricopa County Recorder. Others include members of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors. Unfortunately, there are the likes of Paul Gosar, Kelli Ward, and candidate and current nutjob Kari Lake who are trying to steer the once "maverick" Arizona GOP off a cliff.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Truth doesn't matter with Trump. He creates these alternate realities that have this terrible tendency of sticking... regardless how fake they are.

I suspect Trump is a symptom and not a cause. Say 3% of Americans are not just Trump supporters, but also believe in his style of playing politics as completely legitimate. And when I say believe, I mean fanatically. That's nearly 10 million dedicated highly motivated disciples who want to see their way come into being whatever it takes. Trump didn't create this, he was simply the first Republican to say the quiet part out loud and tap into that group.

Which means unfortunately, no matter what the outcome of this committee is, this will happen again. Going after Trump is very much like arresting the bomber and leaving all the explosives behind with the front door unlocked.

This. His Flatulence was the nutcase in charge, but he's not the driving force.

Social media is the driving force. Trump is just the first to exploit social media for political means and utilize the group polarization it creates in identity politics.
Does this make him an evil genius? No. It makes him the first huckster in the right place at the right time. Enough people were active on social media and formed up in their political groups reinforcing their long held beliefs and being pulled away from their individual beliefs and into the group’s beliefs. That is, further to the right and further to the left than the individual may have normally been.
Remember after the 2016 elections the stories of how the Republicans better utilized social media than the Democrats in reaching their voters? And guess what dumbass was standing on stage with the unique ability to speak to the angry voters who never quite made The American Dream work for them? With all his terrible character traits, his lack of knowledge, and biases against all things not White America, he spoke to them. And I’ve heard it on more than one occasion: “He thinks like us”. Yes he does.

 

[Gospel]

America has always been bout that cash yo. Claimed independence over it, enslaved Africans because of it, & voted a dickhead into its high office for it.

 

[Hermit]

His Flatulence was the nutcase in charge, but he's not the driving force.

And why would you make this claim? You are saying a segment of the population is responsible for Orange's behavior?

Trump's behaviour was irrelevant until 62,985,153 voters made him POTUS in 2016.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

His Flatulence was the nutcase in charge, but he's not the driving force.

And why would you make this claim? You are saying a segment of the population is responsible for Orange's behavior?

Trump's behaviour was irrelevant until 62,985,153 voters made him POTUS in 2016.

Tell that to his debt holders. And those he fooled into investing in his failed casino venture. The other owners in the USFL which was catching as Spring league.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

America has always been bout that cash yo. Claimed independence over it, enslaved Africans because of it, & voted a dickhead into its high office for it.

Trump was elected because of white supremacism, not cash.

 

[Gospel]

America has always been bout that cash yo. Claimed independence over it, enslaved Africans because of it, & voted a dickhead into its high office for it.

Trump was elected because of white supremacism, not cash.

The white supremacists are the minority. The Majority of Trump supporters are a combination of people dealing with some level of poverty and living with unfounded concerns about threats to their way of life (like gun ownership and Christian values).

 

[ZiprHead]

America has always been bout that cash yo. Claimed independence over it, enslaved Africans because of it, & voted a dickhead into its high office for it.

Trump was elected because of white supremacism, not cash.

The white supremacists are the minority. The Majority of Trump supporters are a combination of people dealing with some level of poverty and living with unfounded concerns about threats to their way of life (like gun ownership and Christian values).

Those people at the capital on January 6th didn't appear to be impoverished.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

America has always been bout that cash yo. Claimed independence over it, enslaved Africans because of it, & voted a dickhead into its high office for it.

Trump was elected because of white supremacism, not cash.

The white supremacists are the minority.

Minority, yes. Small minority? No. The one's wearing hoods, small group. The evangelicals? Much much larger. We learned with 2016 that there were a few types of Republicans: racist evangelicals, evangelicals that'd sell their souls to the devil for courts to rule over sex, hyper-partisans, and a few of them are actually principled conservatives.

The Majority of Trump supporters are a combination of people dealing with some level of poverty and living with unfounded concerns about threats to their way of life (like gun ownership and Christian values).

No. No. And No. What we learned on January 6th, which consisted of a lot of middle to upper class white people, a lot of white people are sick of no longer being the defacto owners of America by default. Yes, Trump has support among the poor, but he has a good deal of support among not poor white people as well. It has little to do with economics and much more to do with race. These opinions have been cultivated by the right-wing since Nixon's adoption of the Southern Strategy and things really got going with Limbaugh and then Fox News. Things are so bad, these people think Fox News is part of the MSM and they need Newsmax or OANN.

 

[Hermit]

His Flatulence was the nutcase in charge, but he's not the driving force.

And why would you make this claim? You are saying a segment of the population is responsible for Orange's behavior?

Trump's behaviour was irrelevant until 62,985,153 voters made him POTUS in 2016.

Tell that to his debt holders. And those he fooled into investing in his failed casino venture. The other owners in the USFL which was catching as Spring league.

They may not have been among the 62,985,153 voters who made him POTUS in 2016, so there's no need of telling them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

His Flatulence was the nutcase in charge, but he's not the driving force.

And why would you make this claim? You are saying a segment of the population is responsible for Orange's behavior?

Trump's behaviour was irrelevant until 62,985,153 voters made him POTUS in 2016.

Tell that to his debt holders. And those he fooled into investing in his failed casino venture. The other owners in the USFL which was catching as Spring league.

They may not have been among the 62,985,153 voters who made him POTUS in 2016, so there's no need of telling them.

You said "Trump's behaviour was irrelevant" until the 2016 election, but that wasn't true. His actions had ad consequences before that. When he won the electoral college in 2016, he would just end up breaking the next thing he touched, as per the norm.

 

[Gospel]

America has always been bout that cash yo. Claimed independence over it, enslaved Africans because of it, & voted a dickhead into its high office for it.

Trump was elected because of white supremacism, not cash.

The white supremacists are the minority.

Minority, yes. Small minority? No. The one's wearing hoods, small group. The evangelicals? Much much larger. We learned with 2016 that there were a few types of Republicans: racist evangelicals, evangelicals that'd sell their souls to the devil for courts to rule over sex, hyper-partisans, and a few of them are actually principled conservatives.

The Majority of Trump supporters are a combination of people dealing with some level of poverty and living with unfounded concerns about threats to their way of life (like gun ownership and Christian values).

No. No. And No. What we learned on January 6th, which consisted of a lot of middle to upper class white people, a lot of white people are sick of no longer being the defacto owners of America by default. Yes, Trump has support among the poor, but he has a good deal of support among not poor white people as well. It has little to do with economics and much more to do with race. These opinions have been cultivated by the right-wing since Nixon's adoption of the Southern Strategy and things really got going with Limbaugh and then Fox News. Things are so bad, these people think Fox News is part of the MSM and they need Newsmax or OANN.

Every type of Trump supporter you've mentioned can be tied to a cash-driven purpose.

Many evangelicals are seeking financial blessings (prosperity) from the lord by voting according to what they believe God expects (like no abortion & gay sex).

White people, that are sick of no longer being defacto owners of America are seeking to hold on to what exactly? Hint, it's related to wealth.

Racism itself was and still is a tool used to exploit people for profit.