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January 6 Hearings Live

About MTG, Hillary Clinton on Twitter: "This woman should be on a watch list. Not in Congress." / Twitter


In Wake Of Riot, U.S. Capitol Police Union Blasts Leadership : Capitol Insurrection Updates : NPR
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NPR on Twitter: "Nearly 140 police officers were injured during pro-Trump extremists' deadly attack on the Capitol — including officers who sustained brain injuries, cracked ribs, smashed spinal discs and an officer who'll likely lose an eye, the Capitol Police union said. https://t.co/wR60qwsv4H" / Twitter

YP's Full Statement.pdf
By January 4th, the Department knew that the January 6th event would not be like any of the previous protests held in 2020. We knew that militia groups and white supremacists organizations would be attending. We also knew that some of these participants were intending to bring firearms and other weapons to the event. We knew that there was a strong potential for violence and that Congress was the target.
Back to the article.
Pittman, who apologized in her testimony for her department's "failings" during the insurrection, told Congress that the former police chief, Steven Sund, had asked the Capitol Police Board, a three-member oversight body, on Jan. 4 to declare a state of emergency for Jan. 6 and to request National Guard assistance.

Pittman said the board denied both requests.
Union Chair Gus Papathanasiou:
"We have one officer who lost his life as a direct result of the insurrection. Another officer has tragically taken his own life," Papathanasiou said. "Between USCP and our colleagues at the Metropolitan Police Department, we have almost 140 officers injured. I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained brain injuries. One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs. One officer is going to lose his eye, and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake."
Steven Sund, Former Capitol Police Chief, Defends Role : Capitol Insurrection Updates : NPR - "This was not a demonstration. This was not a failure to plan for a demonstration. This was a planned, coordinated attack on the United States Capitol."
 
Jeff Sharlet on Twitter: "Let's stop saying "Republicans were silent" ..." / Twitter
Let's stop saying "Republicans were silent" with regard to Marjorie Taylor Greene's support for political murder. In a court, silence is absence of evidence. In politics, it's rhetoric. Accurate reporting would say "Republicans quietly stood behind Greene's violent rhetoric." In both-sides journalism, doing so would be called bias. A reporter might say, "how do we know what they think?" That's a conflation of interior motive & external action. We don't know what Republicans who don't condemn violence think. But we can observe the fact of inaction. Even the word "inaction" can be misleading. If kids fight & a teacher just observes, nobody wld say, "We can't know what the teacher thinks." Of course, we can't know what they *think*; but we see what they did. Inaction in that case is active permission for violence.

Rep. Ro Khanna on Twitter: "If anyone else, in any workplace, said even a fraction of what Marjorie Taylor Greene said, they would have been removed. Why should the rules for members of Congress be any different? (video link)" / Twitter


Kyle Griffin on Twitter: "New: Rep. Jimmy Gomez announced today he will introduce a resolution to expel Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene from the U.S. House of Representatives." / Twitter
 
AOC: There are ‘legitimate white supremacist sympathizers’ at core of House GOP - interviewed by Chris Hayes of "All In"

She doesn't have much confidence that anything positive will come out of House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy pulling MTG aside and talking to her.

The ReidOut on Twitter: ""This is not new in the Republican Party ... This is the party of the Willie Horton ad. This is the party of Mitch McConnell posing in front of a Confederate flag. This is a party of birtherism ..."

@nhannahjones on #TheReidOut (vid link)" / Twitter



US Capitol riots: Democrats stunned by briefing on Capitol's security before insurrection - CNNPolitics
Rep. Rosa DeLauro, CT-03:
DeLauro said the revelation left her stunned and multiple federal law enforcement agencies failed by not acting on the intelligence they had.
"They had the information. They did not act on it. And a question that I have, and one that I think we need to get to the bottom of, is who made the decision not to act?" DeLauro told CNN.

"People said today that there was ample evidence, that the intelligence agencies had ample evidence, that an angry mob was going to descend on Washington with Congress' meeting to certify the election as the intended target," DeLauro added.

After participating in the hearing, Rep. Matt Cartwright, a Pennsylvania Democrat, told CNN, "It was only by pure dumb luck that elected officials, staffers and more Capitol policemen were not killed."

Cartwright said his theory of why there was not enough action to prepare was "that people were more worried about optics more than they were worried about security."
Even though that it would have been a good way of showing even-handedness.
 
Most House Republicans silent over violent Marjorie Taylor Greene comments as Democrats condemn them - CNNPolitics
Most House Republicans were silent on Wednesday after CNN's KFile reported that Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress.

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House GOP Whip Steve Scalise said in a statement to CNN, "I've consistently condemned the use of violent rhetoric in politics on both sides, and this is no exception. There is no place for comments like that in our political discourse."

A spokesperson for Rep. Liz Cheney, the No. 3 House Republican, told CNN in a statement, "Rep. Cheney has spoken out in the past about hateful comments from members of both parties and she finds these recent posts repugnant."

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Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, a frequent critic of former President Trump who has urged Republicans to denounce QAnon, responded critically to the CNN KFile report, tweeting, "She is not a Republican. There are many who claim the title of Republican and have nothing in common with our core values. They are RINOS. She is a RINO."

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House Rules Committee Chairman Jim McGovern, a Massachusetts Democrat, tweeted, "And they wonder why we don't want Members carrying guns onto the House Floor."

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Taylor Greene tweeted on Tuesday that she was "very excited" to join the House Education and Labor Committee after Ranking Member Virginia Foxx announced her appointment to the committee.
What will MTG be doing in that committee? Asserting her false-flag theory of school shootings at every chance she gets?

Congressman Jimmy Gomez to Introduce Resolution Expelling Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene from Congress | U.S. Representative Jimmy Gomez
 
One thing I have wondered sometimes, what happens when a conspiracy theorist gets into congress? They spend years believing 'The Government is hiding the Truth about X', and then they get into government... and should be able to find out very easily it isn't hiding anything they believed. If anything they should easily be able to find out a lot of rhetoric the republicans use is a bunch of BS. So do they become disillusioned? Start believing the conspiracy is even deeper than they thought? Realize it was all a scam, and decide to join in on the scam for their own benefit? From the Tea Party republicans that last option seems to be what usually happens I think.
 
One thing I have wondered sometimes, what happens when a conspiracy theorist gets into congress? They spend years believing 'The Government is hiding the Truth about X', and then they get into government... and should be able to find out very easily it isn't hiding anything they believed. If anything they should easily be able to find out a lot of rhetoric the republicans use is a bunch of BS. So do they become disillusioned? Start believing the conspiracy is even deeper than they thought? Realize it was all a scam, and decide to join in on the scam for their own benefit? From the Tea Party republicans that last option seems to be what usually happens I think.

The way conspiracy theory brains work is that if they ever get disproven they will instantly switch to, "I never said I believed such and such (which is a lie) I'm just being sceptical and asking questions". It's a comfortable mental place to be because, in your head, you will always win and you will never have to take responsibility for anything. It's the same way of thinking fundie Christians or creationists use.
 
A conspiracy theory brain "like the creationists?"


I would assume most people (if not all) has had a "conspiracy theory" moment at least once or twice in their lives, it's normal. Rumours or suspicions of other people or individuals who do things that seems to be at odds with your world view sense, so to speak. Funny though... Empires or ruling groups have been built on conspiriacies; and those conspiracy "theorists" with those suspcions, turn out to be right in the end.

(Sorry not meant to go off the OP topic)
 
Second police officer died by suicide following Capitol attack - POLITICO - one cop was murdered and two more committed suicide.
Appropriators left the briefing with a number of questions — chiefly, that intelligence agencies had “ample evidence an angry mob would descend on Washington” and they failed to “act on this intelligence or adequately prepare for the looming threat,” House Appropriations Chair Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) said in a statement after the briefing.

Contee told appropriators that about 850 MPD officers responded to the riot and 65 members sustained documented injuries.

“Many more sustained injuries from the assault — scratches, bruises, eyes burning from bear mace — that they did not even bother to report,” he said.

MPD’s estimate for the response totals about $8.8 million, he said.

“The costs for this insurrection — both human and monetary — will be steep,” Contee said. “The immediate fiscal impact is still being calculated.”
I've seen estimates as high as 140 for how many cops got injured that day. As to cops committing suicide, some other cops stated that they felt betrayed by their leadership.

‘I’m just furious’: Relations in Congress crack after attack - POLITICO
Some House lawmakers are privately refusing to work with each other. Others are afraid to be in the same room. Two members almost got into a fist fight on the floor. And the speaker of the House is warning that “the enemy is within.”

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“This is a real tension,” said Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), who was among the roughly two dozen Democrats barricaded into the chamber during the Jan. 6 riots and later contracted coronavirus after spending hours in a safe room with Republicans who refused to wear masks. “I don’t know if that’s repairable. It is certainly a massive chasm that exists right now between a large majority of the Republican caucus and all of us Democrats across the ideological spectrum.”

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Some Democrats, particularly moderates, argue that their party has no choice but to move on. Several said they’ve privately taken their GOP colleagues to task for the decertification vote, confronting them about their position in private calls or delivering half-joking, expletive-filled rants in the hallways, insisting that they’re still willing to partner on bills.
Rep. Ted Cole, R-OK, on his 10th term and the top Republican on the House Rules Committee, said that he voted against certification of the electoral votes for Biden because many people in his district were opposed to that.
But many Democrats say they remain livid at those 139 Republicans, and say it’s tougher to move on amid ongoing security threats that continue to target members. Party leaders have also stepped up security inside the chamber itself — widely seen as an acknowledgment that some GOP members could still be threats.
Rep. Barbara Lee was sure that something big was coming on Jan 6, and she remembered fleeing in her high heels on 2001 Sep 11, so she wore sneakers that day.
“I’ve been thinking about it. I haven’t talked to any of them about it, because I’m just furious,” said Lee, who sits on the Appropriations panel — a long-time bastion of bipartisanship — where 14 out of 26 Republicans voted to reject the results.

“You can’t compartmentalize, because you know that this is real. I don’t know if they believe it’s real, I don't know if they understand that Donald Trump, he opened Pandora’s box,” Lee said, adding that the behavior can’t go unpunished and she believes more violence could be ahead. “We need to do something.”
Instead of being unified, Congress continues to be split.
In fact, hours after the riots, as lawmakers resumed the election certification process, several lawmakers, including Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.), nearly came to blows at 2 a.m. on the House floor, with Harris furious that Democrats accused him of being a liar. Rep. Colin Allred was among those to intervene, shouting on the floor, "Are you serious, man? Haven’t you had enough violence for today?"
 
Republicans, meanwhile, are urging their Democratic colleagues to heed Biden’s calls for unity, arguing that demands to expel or blackball GOP lawmakers, along with the speedy impeachment of Trump, could poison the well for future bipartisanship.
Republicans can start by renouncing all rejections of claims of massive fraud in last year's election and by endorsing the electoral votes for Biden. They can also start by voting with Democrats to expel their nastier members from Congress, and they can start by purging Trump from the party.
But Democrats counter that they can’t just simply move on when they say Republicans fueled Trump’s dangerous lies about the election, putting their own lives at risk. That includes the actions of GOP leaders: House Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem Jeffries has called House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy an “organized crime underboss.”

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The tensions aren’t just between members of opposing parties: Infighting within the GOP has reached new heights as the party wrestles with its direction in the post-Trump era, prompting McCarthy to plead with Republicans to stop ripping each other apart in public.
Like Rep. Matt Gaetz vs. Rep. Liz Cheney for being a RINO because she supported that certification of Joe Biden's electoral votes.

RINO = Republican In Name Only, or rhinoceros, a fake elephant.
 
Cori Bush on Twitter: "On Jan. 13 — after members tested positive for COVID-19 after being locked down with her on Jan. 6 — Marjorie Taylor Greene came up from behind me, loud and unmasked. I called out to her to put hers on.

Her staff yelled at me, “Stop inciting violence with Black Lives Matter.” (pic link)" / Twitter

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[OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM CONGRESSWOMAN CORI BUSH]

On January 13, I was walking with my staff to vote. I was in the tunnel between the Cannon Office Building and the Capitol when Marjorie Taylor Greene came up from behind me, ranting loudly into her phone while not wearing a mask. This took place one day after multiple of my House colleagues announced they had tested positive for COVID-19 after being in a room with Taylor Greene during the white supremacist attack on the Capitol.

Out of concern for the health of my staff, other members of Congress, and their congressional staff, I repeatedly called out to her to put on a mask. Taylor Greene and her staff responded by berating me, with one staffer yelling, "Stop inciting violence with Black Lives Matter." Previously, Taylor Greene lashed out at me on Twitter on Martin Luther King Jr. Day to falsely accuse me of leading a mob that called for "the rape, murder, and burning of the home" of the McCloskey family in St. Louis - thus naming me as a target to her hundreds of thousands of Twitter followers.

the context of Taylor Greene's repeated endorsements of executing Democratic politicians before taking office, Taylor Greene's renewed, repeated antagonization of the movement for Black lives in the last month directed towards me personally is cause for serious concern.

All of this led to my decision to move my office away from Taylor Greene's for the safety of my team. My office is currently being relocated from the Longworth House Office Building. I will discuss Taylor Greene's unacceptable behavior and the need for accountability at the top of MSNBC's The ReidOut with Joy Reid at 7 PM EST.
 
Canadian lawmakers vote to label Proud Boys a terrorist organization

The Canadian House of Commons has passed legislation that calls for classifying the far-right Proud Boys group as a terrorist organization.

The measure passed the legislature’s lower chamber by an unanimous margin on Monday.

I've taken the liberty of emphasizing the word unanimous. And AFAIK Canada is not some banana republic where legislators are forced to toe the libtard (or even centrist) party line.

What would the vote be in the U.S. Senate? A 50-50 tie? This simple comparison should tell us all we need to know about the utter chasm that now separates the GOP from any pretense of respect for law, humanity, or even sanity.


IANAL. [Is this the well-known abbreviation for "I am not a lawyer"?] Is failure to comply with state transparency laws a misdemeanor? Infraction? Civil offense? Is the lawyer suggesting that his politicians admit guilt on a state misdemeanor rather than incriminate themselves in a federal felony? The Governor and Att'y General of Arizona are both members of the Insurrection Party(*); may we assume they will waive any prosecution of fellow Insurrectionists?

* - I neither know nor care whether Republioturds Ducey and Brnovich support the Insurrection. As far as I'm concerned anyone sporting the scarlet letter R needs to erase it before re-applying for admission to the human race.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Yup ⬇️" / Twitter
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Jake Tapper on Twitter: "#JewishSpaceLasers may be funny unless you contemplate how many of these conspiracy theories are rooted in anti Semitism and racism and how many elected officials are helping to mainstream them because they frankly don’t care if it ends up getting anyone hurt or killed." / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "A reminder" / Twitter
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All In with Chris Hayes on Twitter: "“There are no consequences in the Republican caucus for violence. No consequences for racism. No consequences for misogyny. No consequences for insurrection. And no consequences means that they condone it. It means that that silence is acceptance," says @AOC. (link)" / Twitter
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All In with Chris Hayes on Twitter: "@AOC “It increasingly seems, unfortunately, that in the House Republican caucus, Kevin McCarthy answers to these QAnon members of Congress—not the other way around,” says @AOC." / Twitter

All In with Chris Hayes on Twitter: "@AOC Watch more here: (link)" / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "The fact that the Republican Party will not take decisive action against white supremacists & knowingly endorsed candidates who believe Muslim Americans shouldn’t serve in Congress & posted threatening images holding firearms next to Dem members of Congress is extremely alarming." / Twitter
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NowThis on Twitter: "‘We really, really need to ask ourselves what [Republicans] are evolving into.’ — Rep. @AOC is raising the alarm about House Republicans ‘evolving’ extremism (link)" / Twitter


Cori Bush on Twitter: "A maskless Marjorie Taylor Greene & her staff berated me in a hallway. She targeted me & others on social media.

I'm moving my office away from hers for my team's safety.

I've called for the expulsion of members who incited the insurrection from Day 1. Bring H.Res 25 to a vote." / Twitter

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: ".@GOPLeader has a responsibility to ensure his members do not harm others.

He is losing control of his caucus & allowing these threats to go unchecked, while looking the other way as members like @CoriBush feel so unsafe that she must move offices just 3 weeks into her 1st term." / Twitter

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Moving offices is a huge and disruptive effort. Honestly it shouldn’t even be Rep. Bush that has to move and endure all this, it should be Greene - she is the one that posing a threat to others around her." / Twitter
 
Olivia Beavers on Twitter: "NEW: @RepChipRoy is calling on @AOC to apologize over her comments earlier today to @SenTedCruz (his old boss).

Warning in a letter to Speaker Pelosi that if she doesn't "apologize immediately, we will be forced to find alternative means to condemn this regrettable statement." (link)" / Twitter

noting
It has come to my attention that Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez sent out a tweet a few hours ago in which she accused Senator Ted Cruz, in essence, of attempted murder. As a member of this body who disagreed with "objections" to the electors and who has expressed publicly my concerns about the events leading to January 6th, it is completely unacceptable behavior for a Member of Congress to make this kind of scurrilous charge against another member in the House or Senate for simply engaging in speech and debate regarding electors as they interpreted the Constitution. I ask you to call on her to immediately apologize and retract her comments.

If Representative Ocasio-Cortez does not apologize immediately, we will be forced to find alternative means to condemn this regrettable statement. It is my sincere hope that we all stop this heightened rhetoric and move forward to actually do the work the American people sent us here to do.
Two can make this freedom-of-speech argument. If Ted Cruz has a right to dismiss electoral-vote results as the result of massive fraud, then AOC has a right to call for his resignation or expulsion.

Rep. Gerry Connolly on Twitter: "Let's get this straight, @RepChipRoy.

@AOC is saying aloud what MANY of us are thinking. Members of your party incited a riot that killed police and brought violence to Congress. The death threats continue still.

She's not the one who owes her colleagues an apology here." / Twitter
 
Keith Olbermann calls on FBI to investigate Marjorie Taylor Greene after she threatened several Democrats - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism

Trump is a 'dead man': Chuck Hagel casts doubt on 'irresponsible' former president's political future - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism
Former Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, a frequent vehement Trump critic, told Raw Story in an exclusive interview that he thinks that politically, Trump is a "dead man" — regardless of the outcome of the Senate impeachment trial slated to start next month.

That's because Trump's biggest problem, bigger even than being the first president ever to be impeached twice, is that he may still face legal consequences at the state level for what Hagel described as his various shady business entanglements.

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But Hagel said Trump will be too busy sorting out his legal issues to be a credible player on the political scene, ...

But Hagel also said Trump will be busy presiding over the demise of his hotel empire, ...
CH also said that Trump is now worse than Richard Nixon, because he has been "the most irresponsible leader in the history of this country". I agree. He's likely to beat such long-ago Presidents as James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, and Warren Harding. He already makes George Bush II seem like Dwight Eisenhower.
But despite thinking Trump is worthy of impeachment for his general misgovernance of the country, Hagel said the targeted article of impeachment against Trump, singling out his actions leading up to the insurrection at the Capitol, is the right move. To those who are calling for Congress to move on, Hagel said the former president must be held accountable.

"You have a president that has been inciting this," Hagel said. "I know all the arguments, 'Oh, why don't we just unify the country and let go?' No, you can't do that. No, because that's a very bad and dangerous precedent you set for the country. No, he's got to be held accountable, like any of us, and that accountability is right. I think impeachment was right."
 
Trump rioter said she would be ‘just fine’ because cops 'let us inside' – then the FBI arrested her and her husband - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism
Jason Gerding detailed on his Twitter the couple's trip from Quincy, Illinois, to Washington D.C. and their ultimate breaching of the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6.

According to court records, Jason's Twitter account displayed a tagline of "We The People Have Woken" with a profile picture of Donald Trump with a "Q" background prior to Jan. 6.

In the run-up to Jan. 6, Jason repeatedly tweeted out his intentions. In a tweet from Dec. 21, he wrote, "Anons [referring to adherents to the QAnon conspiracy theory] …I Need help just booked a flight to dc forth (sic) the 6th. Best place to stay close to rally." Five days later, he tweeted, "So much disinformation coming out I don't know what is real what is fake. I trust the plan… I'll be in DC Jan 6th, but my head is starting to hurt."

On the day of the Capitol riot, Jason tweeted out an image of him and Christina in the U.S. Capitol Rotunda.
What an own goal. What kind of defense will their lawyers think up?
 
'Complete circus': Lindsey Graham fears 'QAnon Shaman' testimony at Trump's impeachment trial - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism - seems like a good reason to have his testimony.
According to Law&Crime, Watkins' defense strategy is "not unlike that of a criminal defense attorney who seeks leniency for a client after the client testifies truthfully and favorably against other alleged conspirators in a criminal case."
That's the QAnon Shaman's lawyer.

George W. Bush speaks out as GOP civil war over impeachment intensifies - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism
Former President George W. Bush offered public praise for Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) on Friday, one day after Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) held a rally in Wyoming in an effort to defeat Cheney for voting to impeach Donald Trump for inciting insurrection.

At the rally, Gaetz blasted the establishment and neocons for backing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"The truth is that the establishment in both political parties have teamed up to screw our fellow Americans for generations," Gaetz said. "The private insider club of Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, Nancy Pelosi and Liz Cheney, they want to return our government to its default setting: enriching them."

"The neocons say we got to fight them abroad so we don't have to fight them at home," Gaetz said. "I was going to say that maybe we ought to fight the neocons at home so we don't have to fight them in Washington, D.C. But that's problem, isn't it, because the neocons are home at Washington, D.C."
That's fun. A Republican accusing other Republicans of being warmongers.
 
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