Jesus The Missing Years

[steve_bank]

I heard this back in the 70s when people were ditching Christianity for eastern mysticism or adapting Jesus.

Everybody makes Jesus their own.

To me it is obvious, Jesus was an engineer. God like powers.

AI Overview
Mainstream historians and biblical scholars agree that there is no credible historical or archaeological evidence that Jesus traveled to India. The theory originated in the late 19th century through modern pseudepigrapha rather than ancient, firsthand records.The speculations that link Jesus to India typically fall into two categories:

The "Lost Years": Some theories claim Jesus traveled to India between the ages of 12 and 30 to study with Hindu and Buddhist masters. These ideas largely stem from the 1894 book The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ by Nicolas Notovitch. Notovitch claimed to have found ancient manuscripts at a Tibetan monastery, but his claims were quickly exposed as a fabrication by scholars and the monks themselves.
The Post-Crucifixion Theory: Other narratives suggest Jesus survived the crucifixion, fled to India, and eventually died and was buried in the Roza Bal shrine in Srinagar, Kashmir. This concept is tied to 19th-century Ahmadiyya Islamic beliefs but is rejected by both mainstream secular historians and traditional Christian theology.

While there is no historical or textual proof that Jesus ever left the Levant (modern-day Israel/Palestine) during his lifetime, Christianity itself reached India very early on. According to enduring historical traditions, Saint Thomas the Apostle traveled to India in 52 AD to establish the Christian faith, laying the foundation for the Saint Thomas Christian communities still present in Kerala today.

Unknown years of Jesus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The unknown years of Jesus (also called his silent years, lost years, or missing years) generally refers to the period of Jesus's life between his childhood and the beginning of his ministry, a period not described in the New Testament.[1][2]

The "lost years of Jesus" concept is usually encountered in esoteric literature (where it at times also refers to his possible post-crucifixion activities) but is not commonly used in scholarly literature since it is assumed that Jesus was probably working as a tektōn (usually translated as carpenter, but could also mean builder) in Galilee, at least some of the time with Joseph, from the age of 12 to 29.[2][3][4]

In the 19th and 20th centuries, theories began to emerge that, between the ages of 12 and 29, Jesus had visited India and Nepal, or had studied with the Essenes in the Judaean Desert.[4][5] Modern mainstream Christian scholarship has generally rejected these theories and holds that nothing is known about this time period in the life of Jesus.[4][6][7][8]

The use of the "lost years" in the "swoon hypothesis" suggests that Jesus survived his crucifixion and continued his life instead of what was stated in the New Testament that he ascended into Heaven with two angels.[9] This, and the related view that he avoided crucifixion altogether, has given rise to several speculations about what happened to him in the supposed remaining years of his life, but these are not accepted by mainstream scholars either.[9][10][11]

 

[WAB]

I know Jesus. From what I gather he worked in a small shop in Nayarit, then made his way to San Diego, and finally settled in Oregon. Drives a big rig and made enough money to buy a house. Wife named Lupe, two little girls, Sofia, eleven, and Sonia, seven. They had a son, Javier, who died of a stomach virus when he was only four. He's a good egg.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I've been to Nazareth. It was neat.

(Really though, I went to Israel years ago). I've also been to Jerusalem, and the Dead Sea.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The unknown years of Jesus (also called his silent years, lost years, or missing years) generally refers to the period of Jesus's life between his childhood and the beginning of his ministry, a period not described in the New Testament.[1][2]

The missing years, or better known as "almost his entire life".

Fled to India?! That is like the lost tribe of Israel hopping on a boat and sailing past several civilizations to land in Peru/Ecuador.

 

[ideologyhunter]

The Mormons spotted him in Central America, which isn't 100% crazy, because they also located the Garden of Eden in Jackson County, Missouri.

According to the apocryphal Gospel of Saint Cornelius, the resurrected Jesus did an Eras Tour, from Gaza up to Tyre, explaining his life and career in 10 exciting chapters.
Lover: Teenage Jesus experiences puppy love with the clingy Martha of Tiberias. The romance breaks off when she goes to Camp Galilee for the summer.
Fearless: Jesus, still a youth, learns the art of serpent handling and joins a show carnival on the Mediterranean coast. A reunion with Martha is short-lived after a puff adder bites her on the neck.
Red - Jesus preaches communistic living arrangements but his experimental commune, Lambtown, fails.
Speak Now - His first gigs as an apprentice rabbi, mostly at bar mitzvahs.
Reputation - Bethany Fig Growers Assn. V. Wandering Mystic 'Jesus'
Folklore and Evermore - Evermore Swine Farms of Gadara V. Wandering Mystic and Pig Killer 'Jesus'
Approximately 1989 Laws and Ya Gotta Keep Kosher - The ultra-Torah phase.
Tortured Poet Department - Bad weekend in Jerusalem.
Surprise, I Was Kidding About the Kosher Stuff - The movement goes viral.
Midnight - Prophecy that the world will end at midnight, followed by "Boo!" Sends the audience home with a chuckle.

 

[Bronzeage]

We read from the Book of Prine, Chapter 4:

It was raining, it was cold
West Bethlehem was no place for a twelve-year old
So he packed his bag and he headed out
To find out what the world's about

He went to France and went to Spain
He found love and he found pain
He found stores, so he started to shop
He had no money, so he got in trouble with a cop

Kids in trouble with the cops from Israel didn't have no home
So he cut his hair and moved to Rome
It was there, he met his Irish bride
And they rented a flat on the lower east side of Rome
Italy, that is

Music publishers, book binders
Bible belters, swimming pools
Orgies, and lots of pretty Italian chicks

[Chorus]
Charlie bought some popcorn, Billy bought a car
Someone almost bought the farm, but they didn't go that far
Things shut down at midnight, at least round here they do
'Cause we all reside down the block inside 23 Skidoo

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[Verse 2]
Wine was flowing, so were beers
So Jesus found his missing years
He went to a dance and said, "This don't move me"
He hiked up his pants and he went to a movie

On his thirteenth birthday, he saw Rebel Without A Cause
He went straight on home and invented Santa Claus
Who gave him a gift and he responded in kind
He gave the gift of love and went out of his mind

You see, him and the wife wasn't getting along
So he took out his guitar and he wrote a song
Called 'The Dove Of Love Fell Off The Perch'
But he couldn't get divorced in the Catholic Church
At least not back then, anyhow

Jesus was a good guy
He didn't need this shit
So he took a pill with a Coca-Cola
And he swallowed it

He discovered the Beatles
And he recorded with The Stones
Once he even opened up a three-way package
For old George Jones


[Chorus]
Charlie bought some popcorn, Billy bought a car
Someone almost bought the farm, but they didn't go that far
Things shut down at midnight, at least round here they do
'Cause we all reside down the block inside of 23 Skidoo

[Verse 3]
The years went by like sweet little days
With babies crying pork chops and Beaujolais
When he woke up, he was seventeen
The world was angry, the world was mean

Why, the man down the street and the kid on the stoop
All agreed that life stank, all the world smelled like poop
Baby poop, that is
The worst kind

So he grew his hair long and he threw away his comb
Headed back to Jerusalem to find Mom and Dad and home
But when he got there, the cupboard was bare
Except for an old black man with a fishing rod

He said, "What you gonna be when you grow up?"
Jesus said, "God"
Oh my God, what have I gotten myself into?
I'm a human corkscrew and all my wine is blood
They're gonna kill me, Mama, they don't like me, Bud


So Jesus went to Heaven, he went there awful quick
All them people killed him, he wasn't even sick
So, come and gather around me, my contemporary peers
And I'll tell you all the story of Jesus: The Missing Years

[Chorus]
Charlie bought some popcorn, Billy bought a car
Someone almost bought the farm, but they didn't go that far
Things shut down at midnight, at least round here they do
'Cause we all reside down the block inside at 23 Skidoo


Emb

 

[unapologetic]

Does the bable give his age at any point? Or did the cult make up 12 and 30?
What was the adverage lifespan in those days? (No not hundreds)

 

[southernhybrid]

The more I read, the more I come to think that the person of Jesus was likely a myth. But, do I care? Nope. Throughout human history, many mythological entities have been created and a lot of people are drawn to them. From Athena the goddess to Jesus, the son of a virgin, there are the good, the bad and the ugly. At least try to choose a good mythical creature to worship and adore, if you need one. Jesus had some good ideas and some rather bad ones. Cherry pick your myths carefully and spit out the bitter ones.

As for me. I choose to worship dogs, the gods of love and forgiveness to humanity.

 

[Jarhyn]

The more I read, the more I come to think that the person of Jesus was likely a myth. But, do I care? Nope. Throughout human history, many mythological entities have been created and a lot of people are drawn to them. From Athena the goddess to Jesus, the son of a virgin, there are the good, the bad and the ugly. At least try to choose a good mythical creature to worship and adore, if you need one. Jesus had some good ideas and some rather bad ones. Cherry pick your myths carefully and spit out the bitter ones.

As for me. I choose to worship dogs, the gods of love and forgiveness to humanity.

I personally still have no problems accepting:

An intelligent and autistic person who was born out of wedlock to a Jewish woman and adopted by their mother's father grew up overly attached to the church.

Following a childhood of obsession with religion (possibly to make sense of what would almost certainly involve his mother's execution, as was common at the time) combined with a desire to think in structured rational ways, they came to the conclusion that their religion had misled them about various concepts, including their celebration of greed and "prosperity gospel" concepts as they appeared in his day.

After some time abroad, this person returned to their roots and began speaking/preaching his theories on life and living and the process of human society, until he garnered attention and then eventually threw a tantrum in the temple over how awful the temple was.

This person was executed humiliatingly.

Their philosophy on life and society stuck around because people disliked the blatant cash-grabbing of the temple and there were some thoughts that somehow felt right however bizarre they seemed, and because they were willing to be executed humiliatingly while sticking to their autistic beliefs.

This strikes me as not only likely but in fact bog standard.

 

[Learner]

Missing years?

All I see is here is likened in context to the years 'missing out' with a life times worth of sleeping,

"Lifespan Variance: For someone living to 90 years, the total sleep time increases to approximately 30 years (or nearly 33 years if calculating based on 8 hours nightly)."..

...that would be a whopping 30 years missing, without preaching a single message to the masses by the example above.

i.e. the years that is not missing..
... is way more than enough time to preach a message...
...i.e. "missing years" is but a trivial miniscule issue.

 

[steve_bank]

Leaner, snap out of it. Throw some cod water on your face. You are babbling.

AI Overview
Life expectancy at birth in the Roman Empire was roughly 25 to 35 years. However, this average is heavily skewed by massive infant and child mortality rates. A detailed breakdown of this statistic from the Wikipedia Demography of the Roman Empire reveals:

Survival to Adulthood: For those who survived childhood, life expectancy increased significantly. A Roman who made it to age 10 could expect to live into their mid-40s or 50s. [1, 2]


AI Overview
While the average life expectancy at birth in 1st-century Judea was only 30 to 35 years, this is misleading. This low average was driven by incredibly high infant and child mortality rates. If a person survived childhood, they regularly lived to see their 50s or 60s, and some lived into their 70s or 80s.

 

[Learner]

Cheers steve ,the cold water has refreshed my eyes...also giving me more clarity in thought.

Thanks for the interesting nfo on the Romans..

Being influenced by your post, I respond in kind, although, this is regarding the AI overview of the ancient Hebrews::

Ancient Hebrews likely enjoyed better public health outcomes than neighboring populations due to strict religious hygiene laws and preventative dietary practices.

Sanitary Regulations
The Bible mandated rigorous social hygiene, including quarantine for contagious diseases, isolation of the sick, and the burning or scalding of infected garments. These measures, enforced by priests as health wardens, significantly inhibited the spread of epidemics, venereal diseases, and infectious bowel illnesses common in neighboring regions.

Dietary Health Their diet was grain-heavy with limited meat consumption, focusing on legumes, fruits, and vegetables like dates, olives, and grapes. Dietary laws prohibited the consumption of sick animals (reducing risks like mad cow disease) and required meat to be salted and drained of blood, which lowered the risk of foodborne illnesses. The practice of eating two main meals a day may also have contributed to better metabolic health.

An interesting overview in irony.

Medical Tradition Unlike many contemporaries who relied heavily on magic, Hebrews viewed physicians as instruments of God, leading to a strong cultural esteem for medical science. This tradition preserved and transmitted Greek and Eastern medical knowledge, fostering a community that prioritized both spiritual and physical healing.

Yep...reminds me of Luke (the physician) in Luke 4:23

“Physician, heal thyself”

(Coincides also with the idea that Magic was the counterfeit to God's miracles etc.)

 

[steve_bank]

We still don't know what the alleged gospel Jesus did for a long stretch.

Maybe he was in a Rom,an jail. Maybe he went to India to contemplate his navel and find enlightenment,