Judge compares Bloomfield Hills children to Charles Manson, sends them to Children’s Village for refusing to speak with father

[GenesisNemesis]

This judge is batshit crazy.

An Oakland County circuit judge who sent three children to a juvenile detention facility for refusing to speak to their father compared the kids to cult leader Charles Manson.

Oakland Circuit Judge Lisa Gorcyca declared the children of Maya Tsimhoni in contempt of court last month and ordered them held at Oakland County Children’s Village until they attempt to have a relationship with their father or they turn 18.

The three — ages 9, 10, and 14 — have been incarcerated for more than two weeks.

Not surprisingly, the judge is a fundie:

A girl, 9, was asked if she would also like to apologize to her father, but she had no audible response.

“I know you’re kind of religious,” Gorcyca told the girl.

“God gave you a brain. He expects you to use it. You are not your big, defiant brother who’s living in jail. Do you want to live in jail?”

Not much that can be said. Just a terrible situation that should never have happened.

 

[Angry Floof]

This is America. We mainly put the most irrational and childish among us in places of power.

 

[Axulus]

How is it possible for a judge to create an order like this? Isn't this a violation of the children's 1st amendment rights, as the judge is compelling them to engage in speech against their will? Isn't this also depriving them of liberty without due process, in violation of the 5th amendment?

The children's guardian should immediately report this incident to the justice department and initiate a lawsuit against the judge and sue her for every penny they can.

Process to remove a judge from the bench in Michigan:

Michigan judges may be removed in one of three ways:

Judges may be impeached by a majority vote of the house of representatives and convicted by a two-thirds vote of the senate.

The governor may remove a judge upon the concurrent resolution of two thirds of the members of both houses of the legislature.

On the recommendation of the judicial tenure commission, the supreme court may censure, suspend, retire, or remove a judge. However, the Judicial Tenure Commission cannot deal with Supreme Court Justices. There is currently no mechanism to deal with misbehavior by Supreme Court Jusices.

http://www.judicialselection.us/judicial_selection/methods/removal_of_judges.cfm?state

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Some interesting stuff in the Fark thread on this:

1) Her husband used to be a prosecutor. The result was a multi-million judgment when he tried to press child abuse charges when the "witness" wasn't capable of communicating--it was this "facilitated communication" crap that was already being discredited but he was sure there was abuse anyway and kept at it. He's not a prosecutor anymore.

2) The father left the country for a few weeks after this, thus giving the kids no way out other than if this lunatic is overruled. That's not the act of a caring parent.

3) A social worker: If a kid chooses juvie over being with a parent then there's a good reason for it.

 

[prideandfall]

How is it possible for a judge to create an order like this? Isn't this a violation of the children's 1st amendment rights, as the judge is compelling them to engage in speech against their will? Isn't this also depriving them of liberty without due process, in violation of the 5th amendment?

this makes the assumption that children have anything resembling rights or legal protections in this country, which they obviously and clearly do not.
if you're under 18 in the US, unless you have sex with someone or kill somebody you're not seen as a person or an individual with rights, you're simply one of the material possessions owned by your parent.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

How is it possible for a judge to create an order like this? Isn't this a violation of the children's 1st amendment rights, as the judge is compelling them to engage in speech against their will? Isn't this also depriving them of liberty without due process, in violation of the 5th amendment?

this makes the assumption that children have anything resembling rights or legal protections in this country, which they obviously and clearly do not.
if you're under 18 in the US, unless you have sex with someone or kill somebody you're not seen as a person or an individual with rights, you're simply one of the material possessions owned by your parent.

If that's the case then it really is weird how few parents exchange their children for a better model when they become defective.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I have some anecdotal experience regarding a terribly fucked up separation. And the system can be overly screwed up.

What I don't understand (the most) is if the kids are brainwashed, why in the lumps are they being punished and not the mother?

 

[jab]

I have some anecdotal experience regarding a terribly fucked up separation. And the system can be overly screwed up.

What I don't understand (the most) is if the kids are brainwashed, why in the lumps are they being punished and not the mother?

excellent point

 

[Toni]

I have some anecdotal experience regarding a terribly fucked up separation. And the system can be overly screwed up.

What I don't understand (the most) is if the kids are brainwashed, why in the lumps are they being punished and not the mother?

excellent point

And why hasn't the loving, caring father stepped up (or back) to prevent his kids being sent to a juvenile facility where the risks of them being abused are not at all low?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

excellent point

And why hasn't the loving, caring father stepped up (or back) to prevent his kids being sent to a juvenile facility where the risks of them being abused are not at all low?

Not defending the father, but he could have business in Israel that needs to be done. Or he could be a royal asshole. The data points on it are far and few between, at least as far as the superficial articles are concerned.

 

[Toni]

And why hasn't the loving, caring father stepped up (or back) to prevent his kids being sent to a juvenile facility where the risks of them being abused are not at all low?

Not defending the father, but he could have business in Israel that needs to be done. Or he could be a royal asshole. The data points on it are far and few between, at least as far as the superficial articles are concerned.

It seems to me that he could have stopped the judge's actions by stopping his own demands for visits.

 

[laughing dog]

And why hasn't the loving, caring father stepped up (or back) to prevent his kids being sent to a juvenile facility where the risks of them being abused are not at all low?

Not defending the father, but he could have business in Israel that needs to be done.

That is more important than the well-being of his children that he is having the court force them to talk to him? Come on.

Or he could be a royal asshole.

Bingo.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Not defending the father, but he could have business in Israel that needs to be done.

That is more important than the well-being of his children that he is having the court force them to talk to him? Come on.

It isn't outside the realm of possibility.

Or he could be a royal asshole.

Bingo.

As I said, not enough detail.s

 

[laughing dog]

That is more important than the well-being of his children that he is having the court force them to talk to him? Come on.

It isn't outside the realm of possibility.

Neither is the Cubs winning the World Series.

As I said, not enough detail.s

His actions speak for themselves. Getting a judge to make his children talk to him is an asshole move.

 

[RavenSky]

Even if this is a situation of "alienation of affection" as opposed to an abusive father that the children are genuinely afraid of, the fact that the father allowed the judge to speak to his children like that, and to put his children into Children's Village does not speak at all well about the father.

This was a little bit like Solomon's Dilemma (except this judge is a fucking asshole, not a wise ruler) and the father is showing that he is not a father at all, in my opinion.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It isn't outside the realm of possibility.

Neither is the Cubs winning the World Series.

As I said, not enough detail.s

His actions speak for themselves. Getting a judge to make his children talk to him is an asshole move.

Dude, we know nothing about this case. Absolutely nothing. I could sprinkle some details to make my wife's uncle look like an ass in their child dispute and gloss over the near criminal parenting of my wife's aunt. Get me something from a Guardian ad Litem and I'll take that with notable weight.

 

[laughing dog]

Neither is the Cubs winning the World Series.

As I said, not enough detail.s

His actions speak for themselves. Getting a judge to make his children talk to him is an asshole move.

Dude, we know nothing about this case. Absolutely nothing. I could sprinkle some details to make my wife's uncle look like an ass in their child dispute and gloss over the near criminal parenting of my wife's aunt. Get me something from a Guardian ad Litem and I'll take that with notable weight.

We have his actions which are sufficient. Who the fuck thinks it is right to get the law to try to make a child take to him? The actions of anyone else are irrelevant in that determination. I will say the judge is a bigger royal asshole than the father.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Neither is the Cubs winning the World Series.

As I said, not enough detail.s

His actions speak for themselves. Getting a judge to make his children talk to him is an asshole move.

Dude, we know nothing about this case. Absolutely nothing. I could sprinkle some details to make my wife's uncle look like an ass in their child dispute and gloss over the near criminal parenting of my wife's aunt. Get me something from a Guardian ad Litem and I'll take that with notable weight.

We have his actions which are sufficient. Who the fuck thinks it is right to get the law to try to make a child take to him? The actions of anyone else are irrelevant in that determination. I will say the judge is a bigger royal asshole than the father.

What if the mother is brainwashing the kids? There doesn't even have to be a "right" parent in this. They may both be royal asses. We don't have the data or facts to generate a knowledgeable opinion.

 

[Toni]

Neither is the Cubs winning the World Series.

As I said, not enough detail.s

His actions speak for themselves. Getting a judge to make his children talk to him is an asshole move.

Dude, we know nothing about this case. Absolutely nothing. I could sprinkle some details to make my wife's uncle look like an ass in their child dispute and gloss over the near criminal parenting of my wife's aunt. Get me something from a Guardian ad Litem and I'll take that with notable weight.

We have his actions which are sufficient. Who the fuck thinks it is right to get the law to try to make a child take to him? The actions of anyone else are irrelevant in that determination. I will say the judge is a bigger royal asshole than the father.

What if the mother is brainwashing the kids? There doesn't even have to be a "right" parent in this. They may both be royal asses. We don't have the data or facts to generate a knowledgeable opinion.

But we do know that a juvenile facility is a bad place to put kids who are guilty of nothing except being caught in the crossfire of their parents' divorce. One of them is 10.

The father seems quite willing to let this happen. THAT is a pretty good indication of the sort of father he is.

 

[laughing dog]

Neither is the Cubs winning the World Series.

As I said, not enough detail.s

His actions speak for themselves. Getting a judge to make his children talk to him is an asshole move.

Dude, we know nothing about this case. Absolutely nothing. I could sprinkle some details to make my wife's uncle look like an ass in their child dispute and gloss over the near criminal parenting of my wife's aunt. Get me something from a Guardian ad Litem and I'll take that with notable weight.

We have his actions which are sufficient. Who the fuck thinks it is right to get the law to try to make a child take to him? The actions of anyone else are irrelevant in that determination. I will say the judge is a bigger royal asshole than the father.

What if the mother is brainwashing the kids? There doesn't even have to be a "right" parent in this. They may both be royal asses. We don't have the data or facts to generate a knowledgeable opinion.

I refer you to the bold-face italicized observation that you apparently missed. The mother's actions are not relevant in my determination. He is a royal pain in the ass from his demonstrated actions. At this juncture, I don't have enough information to determine with the mother or the child (or children) are royal pains in the ass. This has nothing to do with who is the right parent. It has everything to do with his selfish actions.

Forget everything else. What kind of person takes a kid to court because the kid will not talk to him? What kind of person leaves the country while doing so? And what kind of person allows his children to be sentenced to legally abused by a psychotic judge and sent to a juvenile home because the children will not talk to him?