Jussie Smollett - Girls Volleyball Edition?

[thebeave]

This is a weird one:

Banned BYU fan was not seen yelling racial slurs at Duke volleyball player, police say

In an incident that has grabbed headlines nationwide, Richardson and her family complained of a fan yelling the N-word at her and her Black teammates from the BYU student section during a match in Provo on Friday. After the match, they said the fan approached her and told her to watch her back as the Duke players returned to the team bus.

BYU soon announced the fan identified by Duke had been banned and noted he was not a BYU student. Per the Tribune, the fan was a Utah Valley University student. Apparently, he acknowledged to police that he approached Richardson after the match, but only because he thought she was a friend of his who played for BYU (the two programs share colors). He also claimed he only yelled that the players “shouldn’t hit the ball into the net.”

Later, Duke players and coaches reportedly identified the man as the same person who was allegedly yelling the slurs at Richardson. An initial review of surveillance footage of the crowd didn't turn up any evidence that the man was the fan yelling the slurs as the Black Duke players served.

If Richardson could hear it on the court, certainly those around the person yelling the slurs could hear it as well, and would have reported it. Unless they were all racists in on it too, and covering up for the guy (seems unlikely). But no one seems to have come forward. On the other hand, it seems hard to believe Richardson would think she could fabricate this out of whole cloth, given the huge number of witnesses to, and recording of, the game. Everyone knows, if you're going to pull off a fake racism accusation, you need to do it at 2 am in sub-zero temperatures when no one is around.

As an aside, this happened last night:

Volleyball players subjected to racial slurs during match at Canyon High School, mother alleges

SAN ANTONIO — A mother says her daughters were subjected to persistent racial taunts as visiting players in a volleyball match at New Braunfels Canyon High School.
Jennifer Gardner Price said students in the front row of the student section shouted the N-word at players from Hays High School throughout the game, and when coaches notified Canyon administrators, "all they told the boys was 'watch your mouths.'” She says nobody was ejected from the game, and the abuse continued even as the girls were leaving the gym.

"The boys were not kept away from our team after the game and they were allowed to continue to heckle the girls on their way out," Gardner Price said. "An SRO had to escort our team out to their bus."

However,

The district also explained the reasoning for not ejecting anyone from the game.

"An Assistant Coach at Hays notified the AP supervising the student section that while she did not hear the alleged comments, that a couple members of the Hays team did hear the statements.
"The AP immediately addressed the student section and asked if anyone had heard the slur. No one admitted saying it or hearing it. She then addressed the group reminding them to not use names of players, player numbers, or use any negative or inappropriate language.
"Had the students who allegedly made these racial slurs been positively identified by any of the players, coaches, referees, students, or adults in attendance, then the AP would have immediately removed them from the game, and we would be disciplining them appropriately."

What the hell is going on here?

 

[Oleg]

What the hell is going on here?

Woah. Someone missed their mandatory DEI training this week. Racism cannot be ignored simply because it’s made up and didn’t happen. Check your privilege you cishet person of no color penis carrier. I can’t even.

 

[laughing dog]

What the hell is going on here?

Woah. Someone missed their mandatory DEI training this week. Racism cannot be ignored simply because it’s made up and didn’t happen. Check your privilege you cishet person of no color penis carrier. I can’t even.

No one with experience officiating high school matches of any type would post such a response.
When someone shouts something inappropriate from a crowd at a high school match, if the crowd is all students, no student will typically point out the culprit. Sometimes a parent will if they know.

While it is possible that any report is based on someone mistaking a shout, it is also possible there is no mistake. Dismissing an uncorroborated report as "made up or didn't happen" is ignorant.

 

[Politesse]

If there were several eyewitnesses, what's in question? The event most likely happened.

 

[thebeave]

If there were several eyewitnesses, what's in question? The event most likely happened.

Not really. AFAIK, there are no eyewitnesses. No one has come forward to substantiate her claim, including the other black players on her team. The only person who is claiming to have heard any racial slurs is Richardson herself.

 

[Politesse]

If there were several eyewitnesses, what's in question? The event most likely happened.

Not really. AFAIK, there are no eyewitnesses. No one has come forward to substantiate her claim, including the other black players on her team. The only person who is claiming to have heard any racial slurs is Richardson herself.

Well, if you aren't even going to read the article you yourself posted, what's the point?

 

[laughing dog]

If there were several eyewitnesses, what's in question? The event most likely happened.

Not really. AFAIK, there are no eyewitnesses. No one has come forward to substantiate her claim, including the other black players on her team. The only person who is claiming to have heard any racial slurs is Richardson herself.

From your linked article

"An Assistant Coach at Hays notified the AP supervising the student section that while she did not hear the alleged comments, that a couple members of the Hays team did hear the statements.

 

[laughing dog]

If there were several eyewitnesses, what's in question? The event most likely happened.

Not really. AFAIK, there are no eyewitnesses. No one has come forward to substantiate her claim, including the other black players on her team. The only person who is claiming to have heard any racial slurs is Richardson herself.

Well, if you aren't even going to read the article you yourself posted, what's the point?

To be fair, reading is being "woke".

 

[thebeave]

If there were several eyewitnesses, what's in question? The event most likely happened.

Not really. AFAIK, there are no eyewitnesses. No one has come forward to substantiate her claim, including the other black players on her team. The only person who is claiming to have heard any racial slurs is Richardson herself.

From your linked article

"An Assistant Coach at Hays notified the AP supervising the student section that while she did not hear the alleged comments, that a couple members of the Hays team did hear the statements.

You're mixing up two different events. My response to Poli was in reference to the Duke/BYU game. You can tell because I referenced Richardson who plays for Duke. If Poli was talking about the Hays game, which I referred to as an "aside" in the OP, he could have clarified that in his second response instead of playing some kind of silly game. And now you're continuing the little game.

 

[laughing dog]

If there were several eyewitnesses, what's in question? The event most likely happened.

Not really. AFAIK, there are no eyewitnesses. No one has come forward to substantiate her claim, including the other black players on her team. The only person who is claiming to have heard any racial slurs is Richardson herself.

From your linked article

"An Assistant Coach at Hays notified the AP supervising the student section that while she did not hear the alleged comments, that a couple members of the Hays team did hear the statements.

You're mixing up two different events. My response to Poli was in reference to the Duke/BYU game. You can tell because I referenced Richardson who plays for Duke. If Poli was talking about the Hays game, which I referred to as an "aside" in the OP, he could have clarified that in his second response instead of playing some kind of silly game. And now you're continuing the little game.

Sorry, my mistake. However, from your link about he BYU game

Later, Duke players and coaches reportedly identified the man as the same person who was allegedly yelling the slurs at Richardson.

That clearly indicates there were witnesses. If anyone is playing a game - it is you.

 

[thebeave]

If there were several eyewitnesses, what's in question? The event most likely happened.

Not really. AFAIK, there are no eyewitnesses. No one has come forward to substantiate her claim, including the other black players on her team. The only person who is claiming to have heard any racial slurs is Richardson herself.

From your linked article

"An Assistant Coach at Hays notified the AP supervising the student section that while she did not hear the alleged comments, that a couple members of the Hays team did hear the statements.

You're mixing up two different events. My response to Poli was in reference to the Duke/BYU game. You can tell because I referenced Richardson who plays for Duke. If Poli was talking about the Hays game, which I referred to as an "aside" in the OP, he could have clarified that in his second response instead of playing some kind of silly game. And now you're continuing the little game.

Sorry, my mistake. However, from your link about he BYU game

Later, Duke players and coaches reportedly identified the man as the same person who was allegedly yelling the slurs at Richardson.

That clearly indicates there were witnesses. If anyone is playing a game - it is you.

You conveniently left out the very next sentence, which reads:

An initial review of surveillance footage of the crowd didn't turn up any evidence that the man was the fan yelling the slurs as the Black Duke players served.

Followed by:

From the Tribune:

An officer later reviewed footage, according to the report, and wrote: “There was nothing seen on the game film that led me to believe” that the man “was the person who was making comments to the player who complained about being called the N-word.”

During the match’s second set, the officer observed, the UVU student was not present when Richardson was serving, which is when Richardson’s family and Duke officials said the slurs were yelled. And later, when she was serving again, he was playing on his phone, the officer wrote.

Its kind of stretch to refer to them as "witnesses" when the man who was supposedly yelling slurs wasn't even present!

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I haven't been to a wedding in a while, years it seems. I remember at the receptions, sitting next to my wife with 6 other people around a table. My wife would engage in conversation with a lady sitting next to her but in doing so, she'd turn toward her, away from me. I could then only hear a sparse word and it was annoying. Note my wife was sitting right next to me but I could not make out a full sentence on more than one occasion and she wasn't deliberately trying to be private. Her voice volume was normal.

I bring this up to illustrate points about sound. Wedding receptions (or sports games) are loud at times, like while the music is going, while the away team is shooting free throws in a basketball game or while the away team is serving in a volleyball team. It would be difficult to hear an individual unless they were somewhat close and facing you. As everyone is facing the sports teams, the teams are not obstructed in hearing by direction. However, audience members behind someone screaming will have less capacity to hear and more opportunity for sound interference to play a role.

This brings me to a video I saw online on twitter. A young lady in the front row directly behind Rachel Richardson was screaming something while she was serving. The audience would have been loud during the away serve and she has no audience in front of her. Thus others behind her could plausibly not made out what she screamed. Next, in the video, the young lady's friend seated next to her slaps her arm in a way that shows disapproval in body language.

Poster on twitter was sure that this young lady screaming was the culprit. I am not making that claim, but instead that it is plausible. Moreover, that person is part of a class of people in the front rows having limited exposure of their words to a wide audience who possibly be protected by their friends sitting next to them, remaining silent about it.

That last point about remaining silent is clearly a thing people do as it is in our culture. Don't tattle. Snitches get stitches. Etc.

Therefore, having just a few close by players hear something insensitive and no one come forward to name names is within the normal range of expectations.

There does not appear to be a proof of lying here.

 

[Oleg]

This brings me to a video I saw online on twitter. A young lady in the front row directly behind Rachel Richardson was screaming something while she was serving. The audience would have been loud during the away serve and she has no audience in front of her. Thus others behind her could plausibly not made out what she screamed. Next, in the video, the young lady's friend seated next to her slaps her arm in a way that shows disapproval in body language.

Poster on twitter was sure that this young lady screaming was the culprit. I am not making that claim, but instead that it is plausible.

But it's all bullshit because she accused the guy who mistook her for a friend; the guy banned by BYU. The guy who wasn't even in the stands when she was serving. This harridan was happy to throw an innocent guy to the wolves so she could play the victim of a hate hoax. What a bitch.

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[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

This brings me to a video I saw online on twitter. A young lady in the front row directly behind Rachel Richardson was screaming something while she was serving. The audience would have been loud during the away serve and she has no audience in front of her. Thus others behind her could plausibly not made out what she screamed. Next, in the video, the young lady's friend seated next to her slaps her arm in a way that shows disapproval in body language.

Poster on twitter was sure that this young lady screaming was the culprit. I am not making that claim, but instead that it is plausible.

But it's all bullshit because she accused the guy who mistook her for a friend; the guy banned by BYU. The guy who wasn't even in the stands

In the stands or in his seat? Where was he?

when she was serving. This harridan was happy to throw an innocent guy to the wolves so she could play the victim of a hate hoax. What a bitch.

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Wait, so afterward, he went up to the young Black lady and mistook her for a different young Black lady?

On a different team?

What is the name of the alleged mistaken identity person? Let's do a photo comparison.

She said he said something threatening. What did he say?

 

[Oleg]

This brings me to a video I saw online on twitter. A young lady in the front row directly behind Rachel Richardson was screaming something while she was serving. The audience would have been loud during the away serve and she has no audience in front of her. Thus others behind her could plausibly not made out what she screamed. Next, in the video, the young lady's friend seated next to her slaps her arm in a way that shows disapproval in body language.

Poster on twitter was sure that this young lady screaming was the culprit. I am not making that claim, but instead that it is plausible.

But it's all bullshit because she accused the guy who mistook her for a friend; the guy banned by BYU. The guy who wasn't even in the stands

In the stands or in his seat? Where was he?

when she was serving. This harridan was happy to throw an innocent guy to the wolves so she could play the victim of a hate hoax. What a bitch.

​

Wait, so afterward, he went up to the young Black lady and mistook her for a different young Black lady?

On a different team?

What is the name of the alleged mistaken identity person? Let's do a photo comparison.

She said he said something threatening. What did he say?

Oh, the Smollett Truthers falling for another hate hoax. See this guy - who has way too much free time - actually clipped each of this liars serves. Made up racism is made up.

 

[Patooka]

Bloody hell. If we could tap into the rage boners conservatives have there wouldn't be an energy crisis.

 

[laughing dog]

The OP serves up two incidents of players (and witnesses) alleging they experienced racial slurs during a match. As I mentioned earlier, it can be very difficult to isolate or identify someone shouting or saying something at a match. It appears that in the college case, there was a mistake in the identification of the perpetrator. Mistakes happen. That does not mean the incidents at the college game did not happen as claimed in the OP. Of cour

While there is indignation at the alleged victim in the college case and possibly in the high school case (why else refer to as as "Jessie Smollet" case?), it is very telling that there is no indignation at the hurling of racial slurs at black women athletes.

 

[thebeave]

The OP serves up two incidents of players (and witnesses) alleging they experienced racial slurs during a match. As I mentioned earlier, it can be very difficult to isolate or identify someone shouting or saying something at a match. It appears that in the college case, there was a mistake in the identification of the perpetrator. Mistakes happen. That does not mean the incidents at the college game did not happen as claimed in the OP. Of cour

While there is indignation at the alleged victim in the college case and possibly in the high school case (why else refer to as as "Jessie Smollet" case?), it is very telling that there is no indignation at the hurling of racial slurs at black women athletes.

Its not just a case of mistaken identity of the "perpetrator". Its the fact that there is no corroborating evidence to back up the claim that the slurs were ever said in the first place, despite fans in the area and extensive video. And if there's no slurs, there's no perpetrator.

As far as indignation at the alleged victim, I don't think his identity has been publicized so he probably will just get on with his life. Had his name and picture been recklessly shown on the national news and branded a racist, I'd say the guy has got a legal case going for him. Likely though, he will remain unknown and get on with his life. So, personally, I'm not too concerned about him at this point.

Jussie (not "Jessie") Smollett is the poster boy for faked racism. So that's why I used his name. And notice I put a question mark at the end of the OP title, suggesting its an open question as to whether this is fake or real.

 

[laughing dog]

The OP serves up two incidents of players (and witnesses) alleging they experienced racial slurs during a match. As I mentioned earlier, it can be very difficult to isolate or identify someone shouting or saying something at a match. It appears that in the college case, there was a mistake in the identification of the perpetrator. Mistakes happen. That does not mean the incidents at the college game did not happen as claimed in the OP. Of cour

While there is indignation at the alleged victim in the college case and possibly in the high school case (why else refer to as as "Jessie Smollet" case?), it is very telling that there is no indignation at the hurling of racial slurs at black women athletes.

Its not just a case of mistaken identity of the "perpetrator". Its the fact that there is no corroborating evidence to back up the claim that the slurs were ever said in the first place, despite fans in the area and extensive video. And if there's no slurs, there's no perpetrator.

As far as indignation at the alleged victim, I don't think his identity has been publicized so he probably will just get on with his life. Had his name and picture been recklessly shown on the national news and branded a racist, I'd say the guy has got a legal case going for him. Likely though, he will remain unknown and get on with his life. So, personally, I'm not too concerned about him at this point.

Your conflation of the alleged perpetrator with the alleged victim and the two incidents is just as telling as your unwillingness to distinguish between a mistake and a fraud.

Jussie (not "Jessie") Smollett is the poster boy for faked racism. So that's why I used his name. And notice I put a question mark at the end of the OP title, suggesting its an open question as to whether this is fake or real.

You are not fooling anyone with your little game.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The OP serves up two incidents of players (and witnesses) alleging they experienced racial slurs during a match. As I mentioned earlier, it can be very difficult to isolate or identify someone shouting or saying something at a match. It appears that in the college case, there was a mistake in the identification of the perpetrator. Mistakes happen. That does not mean the incidents at the college game did not happen as claimed in the OP. Of cour

While there is indignation at the alleged victim in the college case and possibly in the high school case (why else refer to as as "Jessie Smollet" case?), it is very telling that there is no indignation at the hurling of racial slurs at black women athletes.

This seems to confirm that right-wingers are incapable of judging magnitudes.

The Smollet fraud was a staged fake attack designed as a PR stunt to amplify Smollet's image for his career. Thankfully it was smoked out and he was caught. Sadly, he didn't really pay a legal price for his actions.

The OP seems to be about a potential action that did happen or was mistaken to have happened.

There is no analogous connection with this and Smollet. Seems like a desperate attempt to, at best, make molehills into mountains, and at worst, take events well out of context or even completely unfactual.