Justice warrior faceplant

[ronburgundy]

Pence is hardly the worst commencement speaker. CUNY (a public college mind you!) will have Sharia-supporter Linda "pussy hijab" Sarsour as a speaker and a few years ago Goodard college even invited the convicted murderer of a police officer Wesley Cook (aka Mumia Abu Jamal) as commencement speaker a few years ago.

First, how is this logically relevant to anything? Should only the worst speaker in history be objected to?

Second, while none of them are worthy of the being honored by a commencement speaking invitation, neither of your examples are clearly worse choices for a speaker. Pence's fundamentalist theocratic views are as antithetical to our Constitutional democracy as Sharia law. Plus, Sarsour does not support Sharia law, despite your blind belief in the most clearly falsified "news" on Fox. She's is a massive hypocrite blind to how her own religious views are anti-thetical to her claimed concern for women and progressive politics. However, there is no evidence she supports Sharia law. She merely opposes efforts by Christian fascists like Pence to single out Islam as not qualifying for the same kind of special treatment and legal exemptions that they demand Christianity gets. The 1st Amendment already bans Sharia Law, but since Pence and most GOP sympathizers oppose the 1st Amendment, they want a new ban that is only specific to Islamic rule but not Christian rule.

Also, a single criminal act, even murder, doesn't completely dictate whether one's ideas and views that are endorsed by being an invited speaker are worse than someone without a criminal record but who wants to create laws that will cause untold suffering of millions and violate basic human rights.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Pence is hardly the worst commencement speaker. CUNY (a public college mind you!) will have Sharia-supporter Linda "pussy hijab" Sarsour as a speaker and a few years ago Goodard college even invited the convicted murderer of a police officer Wesley Cook (aka Mumia Abu Jamal) as commencement speaker a few years ago.

How in the world do you keep tabs on all of these women? disgrunted-men.com?

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

My university has never done guest speakers at graduation. Seems like just a bragging rights thing anyway.

 

[fast]

Pence is hardly the worst commencement speaker. CUNY (a public college mind you!) will have Sharia-supporter Linda "pussy hijab" Sarsour as a speaker and a few years ago Goodard college even invited the convicted murderer of a police officer Wesley Cook (aka Mumia Abu Jamal) as commencement speaker a few years ago.

How in the world do you keep tabs on all of these women? disgrunted-men.com?

Lol. And police shootings. I've wondered what his desktop must look like.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Right wing dictionary:

Justice warrior: Somebody who protests bigoted ignorant ideas.

Not any longer. A "social justice warrior" today is a person who is just a bully and who rides on political correctness to strike fear and terror. It's the opposite of fighting bigoted and ignorant ideas because social justice warriors are invariably, extremely intolerant. A complete and utter dick.

Not to be confused with people who actually fight bigoted and ignorant ideas. There's plenty of those. I'd say most in the left are that category. But they keep attracting the social justice warriors to them who then parasite off them to get attention.

I think the social justice warrior behaviour is just an expression of extreme narcissism. It's a behaviour born from chasing Facebook-likes. To get likes you need to constantly be on the edge. Nobody pays attention to, and doesn't give likes to, people who just say what everybody else says. So they need to become ever more extreme. And we've now reached the end of this, where it cannot get more extreme without them turning into what they're fighting, fascism.

The social justice warrior is our days flares or bowler hats. Trendy pieces of clothing which people could once wear without anybody reacting. But which now stick out like a sore thumb. I'm sure the social justice warrior gibberish will go that way sooner or later. Preferably sooner.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

They were not protesting his belief about intolerance. According to the BBC report, "Student activist group We Stand For said the protest was against his policies which, they say, marginalised people for their religion, race or sexual orientation."

But tolerance goes both ways. If these people demonstrate they're intolerant why should the other side care?

Because what Pence was basically alluding to was "intolerance of Christian values." In his mind "Christian values" means basically "the right to shame and marginalize Muslims, homosexuals, transgenders and fornicators." Like many political Christians, he's using "intolerance" as a code word for "people refusing to allow our hate speech." So the students walked out, and they wanted him to KNOW they walked out. The message was this: "We can't stop you from speaking, but you are not worth hearing."

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Right wing dictionary:

Justice warrior: Somebody who protests bigoted ignorant ideas.

Not any longer. A "social justice warrior" today is a person who is just a bully and who rides on political correctness to strike fear and terror.

I've never had anyone walk out of a speech I was giving just because they didn't like my policies, but I'm pretty sure that would be really and truly terrifying.

Seriously. Nothing strikes fear and terror more than people calmly walking away from you.

 

[ronburgundy]

My university has never done guest speakers at graduation. Seems like just a bragging rights thing anyway.

Yeah, the vast majority of students, their parents, and the faculty who attend would prefer if they did away with all the speeches by everyone. I just "hooded" my Ph.D student, which means put the cloak type thing on him during commencement. More than half of the painful 2.5 hours of the commencement was having to listen to a bunch of blowhards give the same uselessly vague advice to about a thousand students who didn't care and just want to have their name called so their family could cheer.

Also, lets abolish the total nonsense that is "honorary degrees", which are often given at commencement and just devalue the degree that all those students worked so hard to earn.

 

[TSwizzle]

As far as protests go, it was pretty dignified. A pity more of them didn't walk out.

 

[untermensche]

Right wing dictionary:

Justice warrior: Somebody who protests bigoted ignorant ideas.

Not any longer. A "social justice warrior" today is a person who is just a bully and who rides on political correctness to strike fear and terror. It's the opposite of fighting bigoted and ignorant ideas because social justice warriors are invariably, extremely intolerant. A complete and utter dick.

Not to be confused with people who actually fight bigoted and ignorant ideas. There's plenty of those. I'd say most in the left are that category. But they keep attracting the social justice warriors to them who then parasite off them to get attention.

I think the social justice warrior behaviour is just an expression of extreme narcissism. It's a behaviour born from chasing Facebook-likes. To get likes you need to constantly be on the edge. Nobody pays attention to, and doesn't give likes to, people who just say what everybody else says. So they need to become ever more extreme. And we've now reached the end of this, where it cannot get more extreme without them turning into what they're fighting, fascism.

The social justice warrior is our days flares or bowler hats. Trendy pieces of clothing which people could once wear without anybody reacting. But which now stick out like a sore thumb. I'm sure the social justice warrior gibberish will go that way sooner or later. Preferably sooner.

You're deluded.

I'll give you a hint.

Pence is the complete POS here.

He is part of the American Taliban. Those Christian fundamentalists fucking around in everyone's business.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Not any longer. A "social justice warrior" today is a person who is just a bully and who rides on political correctness to strike fear and terror.

I've never had anyone walk out of a speech I was giving just because they didn't like my policies, but I'm pretty sure that would be really and truly terrifying.

Seriously. Nothing strikes fear and terror more than people calmly walking away from you.

It's supposed to strike fear and terror into lefties who are desperate to be liked by other lefties. Social pressure is a real thing. The Internet has given bullies very effective tools with which to bully and harass those that don't agree with them. If you don't believe me, hang out with lefties. Social justice warriors are easy to spot. They're constantly on the prowl for someone not watching every word and will start a major drama when they feel offended. Which almost everything does. It's obvious that the offence is just a tool to get to dominate and push people around.

These people are an actual problem in lefty circles today. If you haven't met them yet I'm guessing you don't get out much. It's a new thing. This trend was marginal ten years ago. Now it's everywhere in lefty circles.

I do a lot of yoga. And the yoga scene here now is constantly trying to figure out ways to identify and exclude the social justice warriors. Because they suck the fun out of everything. It's nothing we say out loud. But everybody is thinking it.

 

[whichphilosophy]

How is this intolerance?
Should people be forced to listen to a speaker they don't want to hear?

They don't have to turn up if they don't like the speaker. However Marxist front splinter groups (e.g.BAMN) and the MSA actively work to block speakers they don't like. It's similar in the UK but not so extreme.

 

[blastula]

WP, how much do you get paid for every time you say Marxist?

 

[fromderinside]

They were not protesting his belief about intolerance. According to the BBC report, "Student activist group We Stand For said the protest was against his policies which, they say, marginalised people for their religion, race or sexual orientation."

But tolerance goes both ways. If these people demonstrate they're intolerant why should the other side care?

... ecause the conservative position is intolerance to most anything associated with limiting dollars for the rich or increasing rights for those who don't have them.

 

[LordKiran]

How is this intolerance?
Should people be forced to listen to a speaker they don't want to hear?

They don't have to turn up if they don't like the speaker. However Marxist front splinter groups (e.g.BAMN) and the MSA actively work to block speakers they don't like. It's similar in the UK but not so extreme.

Oh yeah totally. You know that ceremony celebrating thousands of dollars and manhours spent that typically validates young people and gives pride to their parents? Yeah just don't show up if you don't like the speaker.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Not any longer. A "social justice warrior" today is a person who is just a bully and who rides on political correctness to strike fear and terror. It's the opposite of fighting bigoted and ignorant ideas because social justice warriors are invariably, extremely intolerant. A complete and utter dick.

Not to be confused with people who actually fight bigoted and ignorant ideas. There's plenty of those. I'd say most in the left are that category. But they keep attracting the social justice warriors to them who then parasite off them to get attention.

I think the social justice warrior behaviour is just an expression of extreme narcissism. It's a behaviour born from chasing Facebook-likes. To get likes you need to constantly be on the edge. Nobody pays attention to, and doesn't give likes to, people who just say what everybody else says. So they need to become ever more extreme. And we've now reached the end of this, where it cannot get more extreme without them turning into what they're fighting, fascism.

The social justice warrior is our days flares or bowler hats. Trendy pieces of clothing which people could once wear without anybody reacting. But which now stick out like a sore thumb. I'm sure the social justice warrior gibberish will go that way sooner or later. Preferably sooner.

You're deluded.

I'll give you a hint.

Pence is the complete POS here.

He is part of the American Taliban. Those Christian fundamentalists fucking around in everyone's business.

You are both right, and what you are saying about Pence doesnt contradict what he said about SJWs.

As for the graduation, Ron has it right. It is stupid to have these guest speakers and honorary degrees. The ceremony should be exclusively about the graduates. If you MUST have an outside speaker, make it somebody from their industry speaking specifically and only about the future of it, like a judge speaking to a law school grad or a top doctor speaking to a medical one, etc.

 

[ronburgundy]

How is this intolerance?
Should people be forced to listen to a speaker they don't want to hear?

They don't have to turn up if they don't like the speaker. However Marxist front splinter groups (e.g.BAMN) and the MSA actively work to block speakers they don't like. It's similar in the UK but not so extreme.

They showed up because it was their graduation, not a rally for right-wing fascism (aka the GOP). If I had been there as a faculty member, I hope I would have the courage to have booed Pence and stood up to applaud those students who had the decency to object to his grotesquely immoral and ant-intellectual views and to the school for inviting him.

BTW, it is hard to tell, but it actually seems like the faculty on stage are sitting, and then only stand and applaud as the students start leaving. Maybe that is wishful thinking on my part, but if I that's true, then I'm sure Pence and the Trumpettes currently pretending to care about free speech will be screaming for those faculty to fired.

 

[untermensche]

You're deluded.

I'll give you a hint.

Pence is the complete POS here.

He is part of the American Taliban. Those Christian fundamentalists fucking around in everyone's business.

You are both right, and what you are saying about Pence doesnt contradict what he said about SJWs.

As for the graduation, Ron has it right. It is stupid to have these guest speakers and honorary degrees. The ceremony should be exclusively about the graduates. If you MUST have an outside speaker, make it somebody from their industry speaking specifically and only about the future of it, like a judge speaking to a law school grad or a top doctor speaking to a medical one, etc.

Right wing dictionary:

SJW: Those who oppose bad ideas for good reasons, but ideas those with illegitimate power like.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Ok. So what is the word for the people Eddie is describing if not SJW? What do you call them?

 

[ksen]

How is this intolerance?
Should people be forced to listen to a speaker they don't want to hear?

They showed up for the speech. They showed up, only to leave. Why show up at all?

And they're at university. The place designed for having us confront uncomfortable beliefs

That was like 40 years ago. Now they're designed as job training and networking centers.