Justice warrior faceplant

[laughing dog]

How is this intolerance?
Should people be forced to listen to a speaker they don't want to hear?

They don't have to turn up if they don't like the speaker. However Marxist front splinter groups (e.g.BAMN) and the MSA actively work to block speakers they don't like. It's similar in the UK but not so extreme.

No one was blocking any speaker here. FFS, get treatment for your Marxist-phobia.

 

[ksen]

Pence is hardly the worst commencement speaker. CUNY (a public college mind you!) will have Sharia-supporter Linda "pussy hijab" Sarsour as a speaker and a few years ago Goodard college even invited the convicted murderer of a police officer Wesley Cook (aka Mumia Abu Jamal) as commencement speaker a few years ago.

My college commencement speaker was Ken Burns. I think I was robbed of some controversy.

 

[untermensche]

Ok. So what is the word for the people Eddie is describing if not SJW? What do you call them?

Some minuscule group of random nobodies that have existed for a long time.

But the right wing has put a microscope on this non-existent phenomena as a smoke screen to hide their bad ideas behind.

And many suckers fall for the nonsense and actually believe there is some significant problem.

 

[whichphilosophy]

So who came up with this brilliant plan?

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...ce-university-address-hit-by-student-walk-out

Mike Pence holds a speech about rising intollerance on college campuses. That's the moment a bunch of students get up and walk out. Thereby confirming what Mike Pence is saying. Well done, idiots. Scoring in your own goal.

Mike Pence shouldn't be hard to protest, since the guy is a total fuckwit with all manner of vile beliefs. They chose to protest the only belief he holds which isn't a problem.

They were not protesting his belief about intolerance. According to the BBC report, "Student activist group We Stand For said the protest was against his policies which, they say, marginalised people for their religion, race or sexual orientation."

Small but vocal Fanatics stand up for a shut down of free speech and seek to restrict who is allowed to speak on college campuses; places where students traditionally are expected to see all points of view.

Free speech is simply reciting their own diatribe.

Let's restore freedom of speech to UK and US campuses and institutions. Ridicule asinine politics through debate and not through censorship.

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Ok. So what is the word for the people Eddie is describing if not SJW? What do you call them?

Some minuscule group of random nobodies that have existed for a long time.

But the right wing has put a microscope on this non-existent phenomena as a smoke screen to hide their bad ideas behind.

And many suckers fall for the nonsense and actually believe there is some significant problem.

Do you believe that speakers from the left and right should be permitted to give speeches in universities. and other institutions? I'm sure you do.

I am sure Talkfreethought.org is the best examples of allowing free speech that I can think of.

 

[whichphilosophy]

They don't have to turn up if they don't like the speaker. However Marxist front splinter groups (e.g.BAMN) and the MSA actively work to block speakers they don't like. It's similar in the UK but not so extreme.

No one was blocking any speaker here. FFS, get treatment for your Marxist-phobia.

In this case no because he did speak. The whiners who left shouldn't have turned up in the first place. It's very therapeutic to listen to alternative points of view and to intellectually even challenge them without burning down he campus and bleating, "By any means necessary". or wearing pink pussy cat hats in protest against the election results.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I've never had anyone walk out of a speech I was giving just because they didn't like my policies, but I'm pretty sure that would be really and truly terrifying.

Seriously. Nothing strikes fear and terror more than people calmly walking away from you.

It's supposed to strike fear and terror into lefties who are desperate to be liked by other lefties. Social pressure is a real thing.

I'm not sure where you are getting these ideas. Can you give us a real world example?

The Internet has given bullies very effective tools with which to bully and harass those that don't agree with them. If you don't believe me, hang out with lefties.

Internet bullying is a real problem but not one that is limited to left-right politics or politics in general, so I guess I am having a hard time seeing this as an issue of politics.

Social justice warriors are easy to spot. They're constantly on the prowl for someone not watching every word and will start a major drama when they feel offended. Which almost everything does. It's obvious that the offence is just a tool to get to dominate and push people around.

We have a word for that in American English: "Asshole". You are just describing the general personality we call "assholes". They are not limited to politics, but exist in all groups. Ever been a member of a fraternal order, model railroad group, or classic car club? You get assholes in all of them.

These people are an actual problem in lefty circles today. If you haven't met them yet I'm guessing you don't get out much. It's a new thing. This trend was marginal ten years ago. Now it's everywhere in lefty circles.

What circles do you visit?

I do a lot of yoga. And the yoga scene here now is constantly trying to figure out ways to identify and exclude the social justice warriors. Because they suck the fun out of everything. It's nothing we say out loud. But everybody is thinking it.

This would be a classic example of an asshole.

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Pence is hardly the worst commencement speaker. CUNY (a public college mind you!) will have Sharia-supporter Linda "pussy hijab" Sarsour as a speaker and a few years ago Goodard college even invited the convicted murderer of a police officer Wesley Cook (aka Mumia Abu Jamal) as commencement speaker a few years ago.

My college commencement speaker was Ken Burns. I think I was robbed of some controversy.

I have no recollection of who my speaker was. President of Polaris? Undermanager of Heart Valve Supply Chain at Medtronic?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Let's restore freedom of speech to UK and US campuses and institutions. Ridicule asinine politics through debate and not through censorship.

Free speech is still alive and well on campuses. Perhaps you should stop reading FIRE's propaganda. Because free speech includes the right to be criticized. FIRE is working to shut down the right to criticize conservatives ideas on campus. Just because you say something doesn't mean that 99% of people need to agree on it or that it has merit.

 

[untermensche]

Some minuscule group of random nobodies that have existed for a long time.

But the right wing has put a microscope on this non-existent phenomena as a smoke screen to hide their bad ideas behind.

And many suckers fall for the nonsense and actually believe there is some significant problem.

Do you believe that speakers from the left and right should be permitted to give speeches in universities. and other institutions? I'm sure you do.

I am sure Talkfreethought.org is the best examples of allowing free speech that I can think of.

I think the problem of people not being able to speak at campuses is such a minor problem it defies logic why anybody is focused on it.

Until you realize it is nothing but another right wing smoke screen to hide the fact that the right has no good ideas and a lot of ideas that cause a lot of harm.

The right now runs on fear: fear of the gay, fear of the black, fear of the Muslim, fear of the insignificant SJW.

They have no ideas.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No one was blocking any speaker here. FFS, get treatment for your Marxist-phobia.

In this case no because he did speak. The whiners who left shouldn't have turned up in the first place. It's very therapeutic to listen to alternative points of view...

To listen to him talk about religious tolerance after trying to pass a bill that would codify legal religious based intolerance? That isn't an alternative point of view, it is hypocrisy and stupidity.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I'm not sure where you are getting these ideas. Can you give us a real world example?

Ok. So there's a guy who has a naked yoga workshop. It's basically just foreplay for sex. Everybody who goes there knows it. So the people who go are all well built and sexy.

Enter a girl who doesn't like to be objectified. And doesn't like it when men stare at her body. This is a girl who goes to naked yoga. But doens't like to be objectified.

The result was predictable. She gets really upset and feels bad. Storms out. Well... nobody will be in the mood for sex after this. So some of us ran out after her to comfort her. Telling her that everything will be fine and talking her down. She returns and the naked yoga turns into try-not-to-look-yoga. Which in that situation makes it suck. As far as the yoga goes naked yoga sucks. There'es just no reason to do it other than to oggle sexy bodies and have sex afterwards. It's got precious little to do with yoga.

Another situation. This has happened several times. I'm hot for a girl. I direct my wingman onto her not-as-sexy friend. The friend starts a scene about some bullshit. Obviously she's just unhappy about not being as hot as her friend, and tries to turn that into something about objectification of women.

I've been to Burning Man parties. In brain storming/planing sessions ideas are thrown in. If there's a Social Justice Warrior (tm) present she's going to get offended by something. And the meeting leads to nothing but discussing gender theory. This particular one I'm thining of was organising the central dance floor tent. Well done managing to insert gender politics into a fucking dance floor.

Another one. MMA training. Girl whines about not being as strong as the guys, and wants them to not hit her hard. Well... duh. Just pick sparring partners that are on your level, rather than the guy you're the most hot for. And what's the point sparring with someone who pulls their punches?

I've like a million recent events to draw from. This happens a lot more often than I even realised myself.

The problem with all of the above events is that it forces everybody to stop and have an opinion about it and to reassure the Social Justice Warrior that everything is ok.

If anybody would tell the Social Justice Warrior to stop being a cunt, (which she's basically bating them for) then it's pandemonium. It happens, and always is followed by deep regret by the person saying it.

 

[untermensche]

I see.

Some women did not like you.

Yes this SJW thing is a real issue.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I'm not sure where you are getting these ideas. Can you give us a real world example?

Ok. So there's a guy who has a naked yoga workshop. It's basically just foreplay for sex. Everybody who goes there knows it. So the people who go are all well built and sexy.

Enter a girl who doesn't like to be objectified. And doesn't like it when men stare at her body. This is a girl who goes to naked yoga. But doens't like to be objectified.

Um what does having to be naked have to do with being objectified? I can be in a room with naked people and not want to have sex with them and do the business we were in the room to do. Did she know that it was a basically a swingers club, or did she think that it was actually just yoga without clothes?

The result was predictable. She gets really upset and feels bad. Storms out. Well... nobody will be in the mood for sex after this.

Of course. I would do the same thing, and the hell with what the other snowflakes think. Unless they stated up front that they were planning on having sex afterwards she has every right to storm out. I would have too.

So some of us ran out after her to comfort her. Telling her that everything will be fine and talking her down. She returns and the naked yoga turns into try-not-to-look-yoga. Which in that situation makes it suck. As far as the yoga goes naked yoga sucks. There'es just no reason to do it other than to oggle sexy bodies and have sex afterwards. It's got precious little to do with yoga.

So it is sex yoga, not naked yoga. I see this as a problem of miscommunication rather than social justice.

Another situation. This has happened several times. I'm hot for a girl. I direct my wingman onto her not-as-sexy friend. The friend starts a scene about some bullshit. Obviously she's just unhappy about not being as hot as her friend, and tries to turn that into something about objectification of women.

I don't understand. How is it obvious she is insecure about her looks? There could be a million other reasons. I doubt you are a mind reader.

I've been to Burning Man parties. In brain storming/planing sessions ideas are thrown in. If there's a Social Justice Warrior (tm) present she's going to get offended by something. And the meeting leads to nothing but discussing gender theory. This particular one I'm thining of was organising the central dance floor tent. Well done managing to insert gender politics into a fucking dance floor.

Another one. MMA training. Girl whines about not being as strong as the guys, and wants them to not hit her hard. Well... duh. Just pick sparring partners that are on your level, rather than the guy you're the most hot for. And what's the point sparring with someone who pulls their punches?

I've like a million recent events to draw from. This happens a lot more often than I even realised myself.

Wait, wait, wait...these are all women. Are you sure you are not confusing social justice for feminism? (and in the case of the MMA woman just making a bad decision above her level? -- I see this in derby all the time. It's a normal thing for novice athletes to do and not social justice. )

The problem with all of the above events is that it forces everybody to stop and have an opinion about it and to reassure the Social Justice Warrior that everything is ok.

If anybody would tell the Social Justice Warrior to stop being a cunt, (which she's basically bating them for) then it's pandemonium. It happens, and always is followed by deep regret by the person saying it.

Why is it a "she"?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Ok. So there's a guy who has a naked yoga workshop. It's basically just foreplay for sex. Everybody who goes there knows it. So the people who go are all well built and sexy.

Enter a girl who doesn't like to be objectified. And doesn't like it when men stare at her body. This is a girl who goes to naked yoga. But doens't like to be objectified.

Um what does having to be naked have to do with being objectified? I can be in a room with naked people and not want to have sex with them and do the business we were in the room to do. Did she know that it was a basically a swingers club, or did she think that it was actually just yoga without clothes?

This is the way the world works. Hot people generally don't explain to not-hot people why they're not welcome. Sexual attractiveness is a form of power. Powrful people flaunting their power is not cool in lefty circles.

But still, anybody being upset about being objectified is a fucking idiot. Everybody will all the time objectify each other. The feminist term they're talking about is extremely specific and not applicable to this situation. They've taking it out of context. There's nothing wrong with objectification as such. What feminist theorists who came up this term had problems with is if women are ONLY objectified. They had no problems being objectified.

The result was predictable. She gets really upset and feels bad. Storms out. Well... nobody will be in the mood for sex after this.

Of course. I would do the same thing, and the hell with what the other snowflakes think. Unless they stated up front that they were planning on having sex afterwards she has every right to storm out. I would have too.

Hmm.... if you've got problems with people staring at you, you should perhaps not walk around naked. In this case, it wasn't even true. It was all just in her head. She was just outside her comfort zone. Which is cool. But when you do stuff outside your comfort zone, it's appreciated if you don't make it everybody elses problem. It's not the job of cool people to take care of uncool people. It's just not. It's nice if they do.

So some of us ran out after her to comfort her. Telling her that everything will be fine and talking her down. She returns and the naked yoga turns into try-not-to-look-yoga. Which in that situation makes it suck. As far as the yoga goes naked yoga sucks. There'es just no reason to do it other than to oggle sexy bodies and have sex afterwards. It's got precious little to do with yoga.

So it is sex yoga, not naked yoga. I see this as a problem of miscommunication rather than social justice.

Nope. It's a cultural thing. We always need to give people a social acceptable out. Few people are comfortable about going to a group sex party when it's stated that way. It's more likely to call it a "flirty" party or something and write "what happens happens". That way people can pretend that they didn't know it was a group sex party and can back out even though we all knew it was. Especially very sexy people need this. They're constantly badgered by people who want to fuck them. So they don't respond well to being "locked in" to a committment.

This might sound illogical. It's just culture. This is how it works. Not hard to learn if you're in these circles.

Another situation. This has happened several times. I'm hot for a girl. I direct my wingman onto her not-as-sexy friend. The friend starts a scene about some bullshit. Obviously she's just unhappy about not being as hot as her friend, and tries to turn that into something about objectification of women.

I don't understand. How is it obvious she is insecure about her looks? There could be a million other reasons. I doubt you are a mind reader.

That's true. But a good friend doesn't cock block her girlfriend. That's just a fact. Social Justice Warriors are typicallly just greedy and cunty, in all ways in life.

I've been to Burning Man parties. In brain storming/planing sessions ideas are thrown in. If there's a Social Justice Warrior (tm) present she's going to get offended by something. And the meeting leads to nothing but discussing gender theory. This particular one I'm thining of was organising the central dance floor tent. Well done managing to insert gender politics into a fucking dance floor.

Another one. MMA training. Girl whines about not being as strong as the guys, and wants them to not hit her hard. Well... duh. Just pick sparring partners that are on your level, rather than the guy you're the most hot for. And what's the point sparring with someone who pulls their punches?

I've like a million recent events to draw from. This happens a lot more often than I even realised myself.

Wait, wait, wait...these are all women. Are you sure you are not confusing social justice for feminism? (and in the case of the MMA woman just making a bad decision above her level? -- I see this in derby all the time. It's a normal thing for novice athletes to do and not social justice. )

Yes, these are all women. It's just a fact.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I've never had anyone walk out of a speech I was giving just because they didn't like my policies, but I'm pretty sure that would be really and truly terrifying.

Seriously. Nothing strikes fear and terror more than people calmly walking away from you.

It's supposed to strike fear and terror into lefties who are desperate to be liked by other lefties.

These people are an actual problem in lefty circles today. If you haven't met them yet I'm guessing you don't get out much. It's a new thing. This trend was marginal ten years ago. Now it's everywhere in lefty circles.

So what you're saying is, it's only a problem in "lefty circles," and then only for insecure people who are "desperate to be liked..."

And... yeah, I think you might actually be RIGHT about this one.

I do a lot of yoga...

That explains alot! The hippie scene plays by its own rules, but that's not the same thing as the "lefty circles" you're describing.

Let me put it this way: Cliqish/dickish behavior is nothing new in American society, and the tendency of the loudest asshole in a clique to determine the entire course of the clique's agenda is well documented throughout history. The only NEW thing is the fact that cliques in modern society have their own facebook pages and the bullshit rants that used to be passed around in college newsletters and socialist pamphlets are now going out on facebook pages that reach people much faster and spread much farther than before. This is not a new phenomenon; this is what happens when you take an ANCIENT phenomenon and give it a hashtag.

Not meaning to sound sexist, but it's also worth pointing out that this particular phenomenon is EXTREMELY prevalent in cliques dominated by women. I don't know why, but that's just the way it is.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Let's restore freedom of speech to UK and US campuses and institutions. Ridicule asinine politics through debate and not through censorship.

Free speech is still alive and well on campuses. Perhaps you should stop reading FIRE's propaganda. Because free speech includes the right to be criticized. FIRE is working to shut down the right to criticize conservatives ideas on campus. Just because you say something doesn't mean that 99% of people need to agree on it or that it has merit.

I'm sure in many cases this does exist but there is censorship nevertheless.

In reality the extremes of the right and left are against free speech or produce their own forms of censor ship in the form.

I haven't heard of FIRE before so I can't comment. If it is necessary to check what extremists get up to, just check their own websites.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Um what does having to be naked have to do with being objectified? I can be in a room with naked people and not want to have sex with them and do the business we were in the room to do. Did she know that it was a basically a swingers club, or did she think that it was actually just yoga without clothes?

This is the way the world works. Hot people generally don't explain to not-hot people why they're not welcome. Sexual attractiveness is a form of power. Powrful people flaunting their power is not cool in lefty circles.

I guess I don't understand what this has to do with politics or being "hot". From my reading of this scenario a woman was invited to participate in yoga, and was purposely not told it was a swingers club. She chose to leave when she found out. For some reason, people followed her out and convinced her to come back and then felt burdened by her. Why did they ask her to come back? That is the more interesting question.

But still this has nothing to do with "hotness" or "social justice". For whatever reason it sounds like she was not informed that it was a swingers club, but thought it was yoga without clothes.

But still, anybody being upset about being objectified is a fucking idiot.

I don't agree. People get tired of it because the people doing the objectifying have an agenda and frankly are wasting other people's time. We got shit to do and don't need to constantly be bothered by people trying to use our bodies -- or feigning interest in hopes of bedding us. - Yes, I am male and I get tired of being objectified by both men and women. In these situations I think to myself, "Thank you, but I really just want to get groceries and go home. I am not here to have you ask me a thousand little questions. Please GO AWAY."

The result was predictable. She gets really upset and feels bad. Storms out. Well... nobody will be in the mood for sex after this.

Of course. I would do the same thing, and the hell with what the other snowflakes think. Unless they stated up front that they were planning on having sex afterwards she has every right to storm out. I would have too.

Hmm.... if you've got problems with people staring at you, you should perhaps not walk around naked. In this case, it wasn't even true. It was all just in her head. She was just outside her comfort zone. Which is cool. But when you do stuff outside your comfort zone, it's appreciated if you don't make it everybody elses problem. It's not the job of cool people to take care of uncool people. It's just not. It's nice if they do.

Staring? It's very uncomfortable being stared at in general, but especially as a piece of meat for someone's sexual desires. If I went to a naked yoga group I would expect that people were comfortable enough with the human body not to stare and to get on with the business at hand: yoga. Personally, I am around athletic women who routinely undress around me, and I undress around them. I do not stare, they do not stare. That would be very uncomfortable. We don't comment on somebody's body unless there is a horrible scar or bruise. We are comfortable and trust one another. This is why I am not sure about your criticism for this lady "being outside her comfort zone". There is being around people who are comfortable with nakedness and then there is being stared at and lusted over as "fresh meat" for a swingers club. By your words you are proving the points people make about objectification. The yoga was not about being in a room with other yoga enthusiasts, but appears to be a cover for a swingers club. If nobody had told she would expect a sexual motivation for the group, I don't blame her for feeling uncomfortable and leaving.

So some of us ran out after her to comfort her. Telling her that everything will be fine and talking her down. She returns and the naked yoga turns into try-not-to-look-yoga. Which in that situation makes it suck. As far as the yoga goes naked yoga sucks. There'es just no reason to do it other than to oggle sexy bodies and have sex afterwards. It's got precious little to do with yoga.

So it is sex yoga, not naked yoga. I see this as a problem of miscommunication rather than social justice.

Nope. It's a cultural thing. We always need to give people a social acceptable out. Few people are comfortable about going to a group sex party when it's stated that way. It's more likely to call it a "flirty" party or something and write "what happens happens". That way people can pretend that they didn't know it was a group sex party and can back out even though we all knew it was. Especially very sexy people need this. They're constantly badgered by people who want to fuck them. So they don't respond well to being "locked in" to a committment.

That sounds very manipulative. The group hides its purpose and get upset when someone doesn't want to participate. i can't blame her if nobody told her she was entering a such a "party" and then decided to leave because she was being stared at in a sexual way. My big burning question is still, if you knew she didn't want to be there, why did you convince her to come back? She wasn't interested in the sex and that appears to be the ulterior purpose of the group. Was the group trying to save face? Was it so they could hide their true nature? Did they want to convince her to have sex with her?

This all sounds very manipulative.

And what does this have to do with Social Justice? It sounds like the group was upset by her rejection, not by some underlying social philosophy.

This might sound illogical. It's just culture. This is how it works. Not hard to learn if you're in these circles.

But it sounds like she wasn't into that culture and didn't want to be in those circles.

Another situation. This has happened several times. I'm hot for a girl. I direct my wingman onto her not-as-sexy friend. The friend starts a scene about some bullshit. Obviously she's just unhappy about not being as hot as her friend, and tries to turn that into something about objectification of women.

I don't understand. How is it obvious she is insecure about her looks? There could be a million other reasons. I doubt you are a mind reader.

That's true. But a good friend doesn't cock block her girlfriend. That's just a fact. Social Justice Warriors are typicallly just greedy and cunty, in all ways in life.

That's more of an issue between her and her friend. This doesn't sound like any Social Justice issue. What is informative is that the name calling in the post above supports their narrative. By these statements, you appear to have been out looking for a sex partner and her friend picked up on this. Not knowing if there was alcohol involved, but her friend may have been doing her a service (not to say that you deserved it). In my city we have predators that show up at the bar at closing time to convince intoxicated women to go home with them. It usually takes a friend or a regular to cock block and wisk her away. He can give her contact information and she can call him in the morning.

I've been to Burning Man parties. In brain storming/planing sessions ideas are thrown in. If there's a Social Justice Warrior (tm) present she's going to get offended by something. And the meeting leads to nothing but discussing gender theory. This particular one I'm thining of was organising the central dance floor tent. Well done managing to insert gender politics into a fucking dance floor.

Another one. MMA training. Girl whines about not being as strong as the guys, and wants them to not hit her hard. Well... duh. Just pick sparring partners that are on your level, rather than the guy you're the most hot for. And what's the point sparring with someone who pulls their punches?

I've like a million recent events to draw from. This happens a lot more often than I even realised myself.

Wait, wait, wait...these are all women. Are you sure you are not confusing social justice for feminism? (and in the case of the MMA woman just making a bad decision above her level? -- I see this in derby all the time. It's a normal thing for novice athletes to do and not social justice. )

Yes, these are all women. It's just a fact.

I find this very odd, because I meet a lot of men who would be considered Social Justice Warriors. Many of your incidents revolve around personal sexual situations. I'm not seeing any real social justice issues being raised. The Burning Man example is the closest to social justice issues, but I would expect that from that crowd just like I would expect to talk about Jesus in a Christian group.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I haven't heard of FIRE before so I can't comment. If it is necessary to check what extremists get up to, just check their own websites.

Really, because you have linked to them in the past. And i am pretty sure it was you since the other Whichphilosophies were uninterested in these issues. Especially angry whichphilosophy.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I haven't heard of FIRE before so I can't comment. If it is necessary to check what extremists get up to, just check their own websites.

Really, because you have linked to them in the past. And i am pretty sure it was you since the other Whichphilosophies were uninterested in these issues. Especially angry whichphilosophy.

Not FIRE. Was this an Alternate/whichphilosophy?

 

[laughing dog]

No one was blocking any speaker here. FFS, get treatment for your Marxist-phobia.

In this case no because he did speak. The whiners who left shouldn't have turned up in the first place. It's very therapeutic to listen to alternative points of view and to intellectually even challenge them without burning down he campus and bleating, "By any means necessary". or wearing pink pussy cat hats in protest against the election results.

The protesters had every right to politely show their disgust at their graduation ceremony being ruined by having Pence speak. They did not disrupt the proceeding, but it sent a clear message to the University of Notre Dame's administration.

 

[fast]

In this case no because he did speak. The whiners who left shouldn't have turned up in the first place. It's very therapeutic to listen to alternative points of view and to intellectually even challenge them without burning down he campus and bleating, "By any means necessary". or wearing pink pussy cat hats in protest against the election results.

The protesters had every right to politely show their disgust at their graduation ceremony being ruined by having Pence speak. They did not disrupt the proceeding, but it sent a clear message to the University of Notre Dame's administration.

When I was in school, walking while one is speaking was a disruption. I'm not saying the disrespectful little shits were as disruptive as they could of been, but to say they did not disrupt the proceeding is a bit much.