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Note that Pacific Palisades, Altadena, and other areas are not under the government of the mayor of LA.
Although the idea of personally blaming noted actor and comedian Eugene Levy for the wildfires is darkly amusing to me, he's only the honorary mayor of Pacific Palisades. Officially, it is a neighborhood of the City of Los Angeles and answers to its mayor.
 
Climate change is adjudged by aggregate weather calamities. This fire was huge, but that doesn't have to mean it was climate change induced. SW California and drought are a thing in general.
If what you want is a fire response systems that fails to study changes in the local climate and adjust accordingly, catastrophic fires and failed containments will be the result.
 
James Woods and Mel Gibson, both climate change deniers, lost their houses.

Bad news, Zip...

James Woods Says House Is “Still Standing” Amid L.A. Fires: “A Miracle Has Happened”

James Woods has revealed that his house is “still standing,” after indicating earlier this week that he’d lost his home in the fires raging across Los Angeles, in what he calls “a miracle.”

“A miracle has happened. We managed to get to our property and our home, that we were told is gone forever, is still standing,” Woods wrote on X Friday, sharing a video from his deck. “In this hellish landscape ‘standing’ is relative, but smoke and other damage is not like the utter destruction around us.
 
James Woods and Mel Gibson, both climate change deniers, lost their houses.

Bad news, Zip...

James Woods Says House Is “Still Standing” Amid L.A. Fires: “A Miracle Has Happened”

James Woods has revealed that his house is “still standing,” after indicating earlier this week that he’d lost his home in the fires raging across Los Angeles, in what he calls “a miracle.”

“A miracle has happened. We managed to get to our property and our home, that we were told is gone forever, is still standing,” Woods wrote on X Friday, sharing a video from his deck. “In this hellish landscape ‘standing’ is relative, but smoke and other damage is not like the utter destruction around us.
Has he declared his divinity yet?
 
Well, this black female LAFD deputy chief is not doing DEI any favors:

LAFD Deputy Chief Faces Backlash for Past Remarks on Fire Victims

Los Angeles Fire Department Deputy (LAFD) Chief Kristine Larson is facing widespread criticism online after comments surfaced in which she appeared to shift blame onto fire victims for their circumstances.

Speaking as part of a video that aired during a commercial break for the FOX show 9-1-1 about firefighter capabilities, Larson said, "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out."

The controversy touches on critical issues of public trust and accountability in emergency services. Larson, a 33-year veteran and the first African American woman to serve as deputy chief of the LAFD, oversees the department's Equity and Human Resources Bureau. Her role includes championing diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives. Critics argue that her remarks undermine public confidence in the department's commitment to protecting all residents regardless of circumstance.

The backlash is compounded by Larson's comments emphasizing the importance of firefighters reflecting the communities they serve.

"You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency, whether it's a medical call or a fire call, that looks like you," she said in the same video. For some, these remarks contrast starkly with her dismissal of victims' plights.

I don't quite get the remarks about anyone needing to have someone who "looks like me" to get rescued from a fire. I can see some people wanting a doctor or social worker that "looks like me" but that's just very odd for a life or death situation. In fact, if I'm trapped in my bedroom during a fire, I want to see someone like Mr. T break through my door with an axe and tell me, "Climb on my back, fool. I'm hauling your sorry ass out of this hell hole!".
 
Well, this black female LAFD deputy chief is not doing DEI any favors:

LAFD Deputy Chief Faces Backlash for Past Remarks on Fire Victims

Los Angeles Fire Department Deputy (LAFD) Chief Kristine Larson is facing widespread criticism online after comments surfaced in which she appeared to shift blame onto fire victims for their circumstances.

Speaking as part of a video that aired during a commercial break for the FOX show 9-1-1 about firefighter capabilities, Larson said, "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out."

The controversy touches on critical issues of public trust and accountability in emergency services. Larson, a 33-year veteran and the first African American woman to serve as deputy chief of the LAFD, oversees the department's Equity and Human Resources Bureau. Her role includes championing diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives. Critics argue that her remarks undermine public confidence in the department's commitment to protecting all residents regardless of circumstance.

The backlash is compounded by Larson's comments emphasizing the importance of firefighters reflecting the communities they serve.

"You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency, whether it's a medical call or a fire call, that looks like you," she said in the same video. For some, these remarks contrast starkly with her dismissal of victims' plights.

I don't quite get the remarks about anyone needing to have someone who "looks like me" to get rescued from a fire. I can see some people wanting a doctor or social worker that "looks like me" but that's just very odd for a life or death situation. In fact, if I'm trapped in my bedroom during a fire, I want to see someone like Mr. T break through my door with an axe and tell me, "Climb on my back, fool. I'm hauling your sorry ass out of this hell hole!".
I can understand the "looks like me" comment with regards to police but firefighters are the color of water. Beyond that if anyone's training required them to carry XXX pounds up and down a flight of stairs and you can no longer do that, it should be grounds for dismissal. In the navy it is. Everyone runs the physical readiness test. It's scaled to age but it is there until the time you leave service. If you're overweight, you're given every opportunity to get within standards but eventually if fatty fatty two by four can't fit through the scuttle no more, they will not be allowed to reup. They do not get to go enjoy permanent shore duty.
 

There's no such thing as a fire-proof house. Or suburb. Or city.

And a big fire is nothing like a small fire. Big fires, in catastrophic conditions, are unlike anything else you will experience, and they behave in ways that defy common sense.
The early days of Chicago, St. Louis, Cleveland, Detroit, and Baltimore had problems with massive LA spreading type fires that were effectively resolved with brick construction back in the early 1900's. Row homes so close together if one brunt down the rest would follow. What is common sense is that brick construction proved over time to resolve uncontrollable neighborhood fires. To the extent that now (at least here in St. Louis) there are so many viable 100+ year old brick structures still standing but abandoned in the city limits that their bricks are worth more than the land they stand on. If those same brick homes had instead been located in LA they would still be standing and would probably blocked the fire. Certainly much more efficiently than wood tinder.

Brick does not burn at all. It does not burn so well it is even used to line furnaces that are designed to melt liquid steel.
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/pacific-palisades-reservoir-offline-empty-163924460.html
I live in SoCal, and one of my most consistent criticisms of the state is that it has refused to build more desalination plants. 800 miles of coastline and only a dozen plants.

These plants can produce tens of billions of gallons per year. The state could have the capacity to potentially produce trillions, but it doesn't despite the overwhelming need for it. There's no such thing as too much fresh water in SoCal.
Why is desalinated water necessary for fire suppression?
Because then you don't need two separate city wide water distribution systems.
Perhaps they could feed the unlimited supply of salt water into the fresh water just for emergency fires. They might be without potable water for a couple of days but at least they would still have their house not burned down.
 
I live in SoCal, and one of my most consistent criticisms of the state is that it has refused to build more desalination plants. 800 miles of coastline and only a dozen plants.

These plants can produce tens of billions of gallons per year. The state could have the capacity to potentially produce trillions, but it doesn't despite the overwhelming need for it. There's no such thing as too much fresh water in SoCal.
Why is desalinated water necessary for fire suppression?
Because then you don't need two separate city wide water distribution systems.
Perhaps they could feed the unlimited supply of salt water into the fresh water just for emergency fires. They might be without potable water for a couple of days but at least they would still have their house not burned down.
I've got a whole thing about this. My comment was probably misplaced due to my "whole thing" screed I tend to go off on sometimes.

Desalination plants likely wouldn't helped with the fires. When I gripe about the lack of said plants, I'm really talking about being at the mercy of what seems like perpetual drought conditions as it relates to both farming and everyday use. Since I was a kid in the 70s we were all taught about water conservation and good practices, yet nothing's come of it.

Etc.
 

Every time some natural disaster occurs, people start talking about climate change. Where the fires are SoCal falls in between a mediterranean and savannah-like climate. Fires are regular occurrence in SoCal and always have been.

Last year and the year before we got a lot of rain, which caused more vegetation than normal to grow. This past fall and the current "winter" has given us very little rain, so all that vegetation has dried up, creating a gigantic tinderbox that finally got lit. Again though, it's part of the natural conditions of the area.

Maybe it does have to do with climate change, but that seems like the go-to now when any natural disaster happens.
Since the days of the most primitive cave men, humans have learned to store water from the more abundant times so that it would be available when desperately needed during an emergency. Such is the idea behind civil engineering to dam up rivers to create reservoirs.

But such water management seems to be beyond the understanding of California civil engineers I guess.
 
I live in SoCal, and one of my most consistent criticisms of the state is that it has refused to build more desalination plants. 800 miles of coastline and only a dozen plants.

These plants can produce tens of billions of gallons per year. The state could have the capacity to potentially produce trillions, but it doesn't despite the overwhelming need for it. There's no such thing as too much fresh water in SoCal.
Why is desalinated water necessary for fire suppression?
Because then you don't need two separate city wide water distribution systems.
Perhaps they could feed the unlimited supply of salt water into the fresh water just for emergency fires. They might be without potable water for a couple of days but at least they would still have their house not burned down.
Perhaps they could.

Who will pay for the pumps and the ascending mains to get the salt water to the tops of the hills?

Last week, Angelenos weren't ready to pay for more than 98% of the fire department they already had. Now you are asking them to pay for pumps and pipes to carry maybe twice or three times the peak fresh water flow (the fresh water ran out, so we know they needed significantly more than the peak fresh water supply), this infrastructure to be bought and maintained at taxpayer's expense for the once-in-a-few-decades (at most) occasion when it is useful.

Oh, and there's nowhere to store that salt water except in the fresh water reservoirs, so you can't even start the pumps until there's a huge fire - and as soon as you do, you are condemning a city of 4 million people to a week without potable water, which is a disaster in its own right.

Does it still sound like a great idea?
 
Since the days of the most primitive cave men, humans have learned to store water from the more abundant times so that it would be available when desperately needed during an emergency. Such is the idea behind civil engineering to dam up rivers to create reservoirs.

But such water management seems to be beyond the understanding of California civil engineers I guess.
This is one of the most ill-informed and downright insulting analyses of the situation that it has been my displeasure to read.

Literally everything here is based on a total and abject lack of understanding of the problems, and of the solutions that are currently in place, with regards to supplying water to the city of Los Angeles.

You owe the California civil engineering community an abject and grovelling apology for your ignorant and defamatory remarks.
 

Every time some natural disaster occurs, people start talking about climate change. Where the fires are SoCal falls in between a mediterranean and savannah-like climate. Fires are regular occurrence in SoCal and always have been.

Last year and the year before we got a lot of rain, which caused more vegetation than normal to grow. This past fall and the current "winter" has given us very little rain, so all that vegetation has dried up, creating a gigantic tinderbox that finally got lit. Again though, it's part of the natural conditions of the area.

Maybe it does have to do with climate change, but that seems like the go-to now when any natural disaster happens.
Since the days of the most primitive cave men, humans have learned to store water from the more abundant times so that it would be available when desperately needed during an emergency. Such is the idea behind civil engineering to dam up rivers to create reservoirs.

But such water management seems to be beyond the understanding of California civil engineers I guess.
Since long before the human species evolved,
All species have tended to expand until the environment they depend on collapses, then there's a huge "population reduction". I see humans headed rapidly towards that cliff.

I see the fire problems in California more like the canary in the coalmine than a simple matter of the wrong people running the water management.
Tom
 
Since the days of the most primitive cave men, humans have learned to store water from the more abundant times so that it would be available when desperately needed during an emergency. Such is the idea behind civil engineering to dam up rivers to create reservoirs.

But such water management seems to be beyond the understanding of California civil engineers I guess.
This is one of the most ill-informed and downright insulting analyses of the situation that it has been my displeasure to read.

Literally everything here is based on a total and abject lack of understanding of the problems, and of the solutions that are currently in place, with regards to supplying water to the city of Los Angeles.

You owe the California civil engineering community an abject and grovelling apology for your ignorant and defamatory remarks.
In the final analysis, the results speak for themselves. If you want shit results in the future then you can apologize all you want and continue the same path. But if you want something better then its best to admit how bad it is and make corrections for a better outcome for the future.

If the lack of water coming out of fire hydrants is not a civil engineering issue, who else should we blame?
 
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If the lack of water coming out of fire hydrants is not a civil engineering issue, who else to blame?
The political leaders who aren't willing to tax enough to pay for the needed infrastructure.
They call it fiscal prudence and such. But the bottom line remains that they won't pay for the needed infrastructure improvements to handle stuff like what is going on right now. Stuff that will probably get worse in the future.

Do you think that the California government should raise taxes on the wealthiest California residents enough to pay for the needed infrastructure improvements? There's a bunch of super rich people living there. Why don't they support the infrastructure improvements needed to keep the place habitable?
Tom
 
If the lack of water coming out of fire hydrants is not a civil engineering issue, who else to blame?
The political leaders who aren't willing to tax enough to pay for the needed infrastructure.
They call it fiscal prudence and such. But the bottom line remains that they won't pay for the needed infrastructure improvements to handle stuff like what is going on right now. Stuff that will probably get worse in the future.

Do you think that the California government should raise taxes on the wealthiest California residents enough to pay for the needed infrastructure improvements? There's a bunch of super rich people living there. Why don't they support the infrastructure improvements needed to keep the place habitable?
Tom
I'm not totally disagreeing with you but I thought California was a state with a left leaning ideology? And that Los Angeles county was especially left leaning?

Are you saying those liberal politicians were not willing to tax the rich for needed infrastructure? And speaking of local taxation, I thought California already had some of the highest taxes already?

I would love to bash the liberal politicians but something just does not add up to me. Yes there are a huge amount of super rich people who should have more than enough resource to pay for infrastructure. Why don't they when the government is so liberal with tax and spend?
 
I'm not totally disagreeing with you but I thought California was a state with a left leaning ideology? And that Los Angeles county was especially left leaning?
That's likely your problem.
You think that California is a state with left leaning ideology and political landscape.

It's not. It's still the USA.
Tom
 
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