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do you feel like it contributes to the debate
I just feel absolutely fucking tired after 5 posts of people bringing up Nader out of fucking nowhere where he doesn't fucking matter. Go ahead. Do whatever the fuck you want, but don't pretend this is nothing but an adverse reaction to people bringing up meaningless shit over and over and over again.

Each time I brought it up, I questioned why anyone was fighting over it and then imputing that I cared at all, other than 'oh yeah, that happened, but it's immaterial to the current discussion except as 'another example', why are you even still fucking talking about it'.

I think that if I have said my view well over 5 times, people should be able to repeat that view accurately, especially when I put it in bold and all caps, that spoilers happen because "Democrats" are more willing to compromise today with Republicans than other leftists.

All you have to do is say "oh... Maybe we should compromise with leftists rather than fascists."
 
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do you feel like it contributes to the debate
.. fucking tired ... fucking nowhere where he doesn't fucking matter. Do whatever the fuck you want,... meaningless shit over and over and over again.
... fucking

Do you run a style checker? Shouldn't you throw in an "asshole" or "cunt" every third "fucking" or so?

I think that if I have said my view well over 5 times, people should be able to repeat that view accurately, especially when I put it in bold and all caps, that spoilers happen because "Democrats" are more willing to compromise today with Republicans than other leftists.

Specifically?

All you have to do is say "oh... Maybe we should compromise with leftists rather than fascists."

Biden and his Congress successfully enacted a rather leftist agenda, no? Despite having only 50 seats in the 117th Senate and 51 in the 118th.
 

Most likely the windshield was previously shattered by rioters throwing rocks, etc and the cops are breaking it out completely so they can at least drive it and see where they're going. No need to start creating conspiracy theories here.

More detail on the incident in question. The link has video before and after the incident:

Video of LAPD officers destroying their own cruiser lacks context

However, while it was true that officers smashed a windscreen on a marked cruiser, the claim circulating online lacked context. According to the AXN News livestream, officers left several vehicles unattended while policing protesters further down the street. The cruiser's windshield was intact before officers left the intersection, but it was broken by the time they returned. It was unclear who caused the initial damage — but the footage in the social media posts showed officers smashing an already damaged windscreen.
While the officers were kicking and hitting the damaged windscreen, the AXN News cameraman said: "They're trying to kick it out so they can drive away." He also posited that a couple of the police cars had their tires slashed, before adding: "So they broke out the glass of a bunch of cop cars while they were over there" (the second "they" likely referring to police officers who had just returned from down the street).

It's kind of ironic that this protest against illegal immigrant deportation took place on Cesar E. Chavez Ave, given that Chavez himself was anti-illegal immigration in the first place!
 
It's kind of ironic that this protest against illegal immigrant deportation took place on Cesar E. Chavez Ave, given that Chavez himself was anti-illegal immigration in the first place!
Do you really think this protest is really reduced to simply your silly little description? The Biden administration deported far more illegal immigrants than the first Trump administration. Was there a large outcry of complaints then? No.

The complaint here today is the illegal tactics of the Trump administration and their over the top violent mob enforcers. They are arresting legal aliens for using their free speech. They are arresting legal aliens who are just following the rules and sending them to foreign concentration camps with horrible and deplorable conditions. They are ignoring the requirement that immigrants deserve a hearing before being subjected to deportation. And a whole litany of other unjustified and immoral tactics by the Trump administration.

Your oversimplification is noted.
 
Perhaps you think I should spend an hour researching ALL your posts before daring to respond to you.
Still, I'd prefer if you could find a way to complain without declaring me to be a liar.
I think you should at least research the posts about that subject, yes. The forum has tools to search Jarhyn for Nader, and you would have the sum total of posts about the subject, all replies to you or Jimmy or Harry or whoever I have been arguing with; I ended up reading this and responding to it separately and it feels silly to respond to it or, honestly, any of this at this point?

Biden and his Congress successfully enacted a rather leftist agenda, no?
No, he didn't. He enacted a very conservative agenda, which was ironically opposed by everyone claiming to be conservative, and this was sold as something other than "conservative".

I would have more respect for them if they didn't even ask for our votes.

Hell, just using the office as a public platform to openly criticize the Republicans and their loud culture war bullshit, making the "culture war" "the fault of the Republicans", doing literally anything of the many things legal scholars suggested that would have stopped any of this.

He could openly criticize the biases of the news media, which actually existed.

Hell, just behaving differently would have helped, but just like I have said repeatedly that this is not about Nader, this is also not about Biden.

This is, in fact, stupidly and ironically about Hillary, because Biden existed as an election for "please let's be boring and normal again". That was his platform.

Frankly, he shouldn't have been run. Maybe Walz, though he entered the national stage a bit late?

AOC would have been firey enough, and since Trump is also inexperienced, experience wouldn't have factored?

My criticisms of that whole debacle start at much earlier unforced mistakes but the Dems, but Nader, Biden, those are symptoms of the trait, specifically, of the Dems being a fiscally conservative party that has sold itself as "liberal" whatever that is supposed to mean to whoever; It is full of old people who disdain taxes and holding power accountable, at the top, despite seeking the votes of younger and middle aged folks seeking change.

Then, part of the problem is that
Specifically
she, Hillary Clinton, working with the Democrat party, fucking rigged a primary she was going to win anyway; don't do THAT. It's political suicide.

She didn't need to do that. She did it to reduce the political capital, and influence within the party, of progressive representatives, of the people who represent people like me at large.

It means a seat on committees for lawmakers like AOC and Bernie Sanders through party organization and connections to the congressional whips and leaders.

It means looking at spoiler party platforms and describing why the changes or differences exist and how the big tent way is better, not just "because you know better" or "because it's electable".

The reality is that electability can apply to anyone. Electability is about belief, and belief is about salesmanship.

Biden had the electability of a corpse and Trump had the electability of a forceful sentient bowel movement, but people will elect a forceful bowel movement over a still corpse any day; just as long as it's forceful is the important part. The first time he ran, at least he wasn't so much of a corpse yet.

Select. Forceful. People.
 
Another thread that's gone way off topic. And why did this OP refer to mostly peaceful protests as riots? Was that sarcasm?

What's with all the insults and failure to converse in a way that others easily understand your point? That's not directed at anyone in particular. It just seems to be happening a lot lately. Is this the result of MAGA? Has MAGA made us all stupid and unable to have polite discussions. We don't have to agree but there are ways to disagree without attacking others. Or maybe not these days.:duel:
 
It may not be clear how unprecedented deploying National Guard and Marines in L.A. without request or acceptance by the State Governor was. As told in the recent movie Selma federal troops were deployed in Alabama to protect peaceful protestors from Alabama police. But the Governor of Alabama asked LBJ for these troops.

"Let the march start before people can get there from these other states, and you call up your Guard," Johnson told Wallace ... He pledged not to federalize any Guard units except as a last resort.

"If it takes ten thousand Guardsmen, we'll have them. I'll just do whatever is necessary," Wallace said. But that night, the governor said on TV that he was demanding the president send federal troops to help. The next morning, Johnson called Wallace "a no-good son of a bitch!" according to a phone call transcript.

That's right. Wallace didn't object to the federal troops: He demanded that LBJ send them!

Trump's illegal and unconstitutional deployment appears to be without precedent. Even Abraham Lincoln attacked only states that had seceded, thereby effectively announcing that they were enemies of the U.S.
 
That's right. Wallace didn't object to the federal troops: He demanded that LBJ send them!

lol, you and Newsom would rather see LA burn to the ground.

It’s easy to stand on the side whining when it’s not your livelihood getting looted and then going up in flames.
 
As told in the recent movie Selma federal troops were deployed in Alabama to protect peaceful protestors from Alabama police. But the Governor of Alabama asked LBJ for these troops.
But which side did Wallice expect the NG to be on? Wallice was a bigot, and you are getting Wallice doing the right thing, from a movie?
 
As told in the recent movie Selma federal troops were deployed in Alabama to protect peaceful protestors from Alabama police. But the Governor of Alabama asked LBJ for these troops.
But which side did Wallice expect the NG to be on? Wallice was a bigot, and you are getting Wallice doing the right thing, from a movie?
If the movie (which I haven't seen) has Wallace in any way asking for National Guard or other Federalized protections for the Selma marchers, then it is counterfactual to at least that extent; Wallace had the Guard, FBI, and Federal Marshals imposed upon his state by LBJ, very much against his will.

I guess he might have secretly requested them, but if so, it remains a secret.
 
What the hell is ....
Never mind what that is. 'Don't feed the troll'.
I've been censured before for calling him a Russian troll.
But introducing off topic conspircy theories into every thread is a sure sign of a troll.
And you just called me a russian troll again.
And he talks about conspiracy theories.
 
What the hell is ....
Never mind what that is. 'Don't feed the troll'.
I've been censured before for calling him a Russian troll.
But introducing off topic conspircy theories into every thread is a sure sign of a troll.
And you just called me a russian troll again.
And he talks about conspiracy theories.
But Did I?
 
As told in the recent movie Selma federal troops were deployed in Alabama to protect peaceful protestors from Alabama police. But the Governor of Alabama asked LBJ for these troops.
But which side did Wallice expect the NG to be on? Wallice was a bigot, and you are getting Wallice doing the right thing, from a movie?

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First of all, although I DID watch the movie the synopsis I provided is easily found at various Internet sources. Did you try Google?

Second, like many REAL people, George Wallace was not a caricature. As a judge he was regarded as a liberal(!). Wikipedia tells us that, unlike other Alabama judges, he gave black convicts probation, called black lawyers "Mister" and so on. In 1958 he ran for Governor endorsed by the NAACP. His opponent (in the Democratic primary, with the GOP then almost powerless in Alabama) was endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan and won. This led to Wallace realizing he needed to pretend to be a racist to win election in Alabama!
After the election, aide Seymore Trammell recalled Wallace saying, "Seymore, you know why I lost that governor's race? ... I was outniggered by John Patterson. And I'll tell you here and now, I will never be outniggered again." In the wake of his defeat, Wallace adopted a hard-line segregationist stance and used this stance to court the white vote in the next gubernatorial election in 1962. When a supporter asked why he started using racist messages, Wallace replied:
"You know, I tried to talk about good roads and good schools and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about niggers, and they stomped the floor.

Third, "But which side did Wallice[sic] expect the NG to be on?" is confused. LBJ understood Wallace and understood the military chain of command very well. The loyalty of the NG to their orders was not an issue. The issue was whether Wallace would take the "political hit" for supporting civil rights.
 
As told in the recent movie Selma federal troops were deployed in Alabama to protect peaceful protestors from Alabama police. But the Governor of Alabama asked LBJ for these troops.
But which side did Wallice expect the NG to be on? Wallice was a bigot, and you are getting Wallice doing the right thing, from a movie?
If the movie (which I haven't seen) has Wallace in any way asking for National Guard or other Federalized protections for the Selma marchers, then it is counterfactual to at least that extent; Wallace had the Guard, FBI, and Federal Marshals imposed upon his state by LBJ, very much against his will.

I guess he might have secretly requested them, but if so, it remains a secret.

If only we could listen to the 22-minute conversation that POTUS and the Governor of Alabama had six days before the final and successful march from Selma to Montgomery began.

Oh wait! What's this? Uh oh, the conversation has nuance, with both of these men aware of Wallace's political realities. Wallace wanted the Guard but didn't want the political cost of ordering their involvement himself.

LBJ said:
You call up your Guard and let them know that you are going to do it. And we'll applaud the conduct of your Guard, the last time it was used. And we will have people available, alerted, if you don't have enough and then that way I think we will have taken every precaution And we wouldn't federalize any Guard unless it just got to the point where that was all that was left. But we will not take this through you before it gets all out of proportion. Now you are on the scene. And you can see it better than we can. And if you have a different viewpoint and you think you got it in hand, well-

Some minutes later, near the end of the conversation:
George Wallace said:
Well we will have a meeting of the minds Mr. President. The meeting of the mind is we will do whatever is necessary because I'm just as concerned as you are about nothing happening and I will do whatever it takes. If it takes ten thousand Guardsmen, we'll have them. I'll just do whatever is necessary. And I won't wait too late. And of course you know-

Wallace wanted "whatever is necessary." but he ended up asking LBJ to send in the Guard rather than doing so himself.
 
This move is a serious threat to our basic freedom. If it succeeds every time there is an anti Trump protest he will deploy the national guard to put it down. I hope everyone in LA will come in and block the streets and prevent any movement by the guard into downtown LA or wherever they’re deploying.
Looks like Angelinos are taking my advice to heart. They’re blocking overpasses. They’re challenging Trump. This could turn into something really big. Or really, really bad.
Unfortunately, a lot of them are assholes hurling rocks at random vehicles. They're not challenging Trump's policies, they're just raising hell for anyone near them.
They should focus on Trump. I agree.

I wish they’d put the stupid fuck within range of some rocks…
 
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