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Laura Ingraham vs David Hogg

I did WHAT? You people are confusing me. The link spoke of the victim that created a tweet of his own. That was rather poignant and illuminating. She failed to properly mitigate future consequences of speaking her mind. All of us are free to speak our minds (to a degree), but most that are not financially wealthy therefore don't risk wealth as being a consequence of freely speaking our minds.

For instance, if you want to openly berate homosexuals and you're rich, you might not want to prepare by having your future success depend on businesses that cater to an increasingly liberal crowd. She failed to shield her prosperity. If you can't do that, you as a rich person have to decide what price it's worth paying to exercise your right to free speech.

Then, we can bitchslap the rich for speaking their minds when we can't create a downfall for the well-prepared.
 
Well, let's hope imbuing this kid with some special moral authority based on some random event works out better for the left than it did with Cindy Sheehan.

We have faith in The Hogg. The Hogg will not fail us.

Maybe we'll annex Canada in time for you to vote for the Hogg/Clockboy 2044 ticket.

Might even do better than the Roseanne Barr/Cindy Sheehan 2012 campaign. The country was just not ready.
 
I did WHAT? You people are confusing me. The link spoke of the victim that created a tweet of his own. That was rather poignant and illuminating. She failed to properly mitigate future consequences of speaking her mind. All of us are free to speak our minds (to a degree), but most that are not financially wealthy therefore don't risk wealth as being a consequence of freely speaking our minds.

For instance, if you want to openly berate homosexuals and you're rich, you might not want to prepare by having your future success depend on businesses that cater to an increasingly liberal crowd. She failed to shield her prosperity. If you can't do that, you as a rich person have to decide what price it's worth paying to exercise your right to free speech.

Then, we can bitchslap the rich for speaking their minds when we can't create a downfall for the well-prepared.

What do you mean 'we'?

This is a circumstance Mrs Ingraham created all on her own. She fucked up her own money - no one did anything to her and she's not a victim. She drug herself down by her bootstraps.

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Exactly


Exactly

no one did anything to her and she's not a victim.
Exactly

She drug herself down by her bootstraps.
Exactly

If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were somehow disagreeing with me.

Fine, but then what do you mean when you say "WE" can bitchslap the rich when "WE" can't create a downfall?

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I did WHAT? You people are confusing me. The link spoke of the victim that created a tweet of his own. That was rather poignant and illuminating. She failed to properly mitigate future consequences of speaking her mind. All of us are free to speak our minds (to a degree), but most that are not financially wealthy therefore don't risk wealth as being a consequence of freely speaking our minds.

For instance, if you want to openly berate homosexuals and you're rich, you might not want to prepare by having your future success depend on businesses that cater to an increasingly liberal crowd. She failed to shield her prosperity. If you can't do that, you as a rich person have to decide what price it's worth paying to exercise your right to free speech.

Then, we can bitchslap the rich for speaking their minds when we can't create a downfall for the well-prepared.

What do you mean 'we'?

This is a circumstance Mrs Ingraham created all on her own. She fucked up her own money - no one did anything to her and she's not a victim. She drug herself down by her bootstraps.

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She started the war without much thought or care. And found a worthy opponent in David Hogg who outplayed her. And the lesson is, one never knows when these sorts of things will take a bad bounce and leave wreckage behind. When one is a right winged crank, one has to think before spewing verbal diarrhea. Now the question us, is she smart enough to learn from this fiasco? Will the Fox executives clamp down of this sort of crap on their channel? Will they learn?
 
Well, let's hope imbuing this kid with some special moral authority based on some random event works out better for the left than it did with Cindy Sheehan.

We have faith in The Hogg. The Hogg will not fail us.
Special moral authority? The right to be a teen that isn't mocked by a right-wing talk show host on Twitter? That is special moral authority? In general, really shouldn't mock teens. Teens that have been through a shooting at a school... may also want to wait a little more to mock them as well.
 
Well, let's hope imbuing this kid with some special moral authority based on some random event works out better for the left than it did with Cindy Sheehan.

So you support the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people in 2003?

What US violent stupidity would you oppose?

Sheehan is doing great.

You as usual are on the wrong side of history. The wrong side of human morality.
 
Well, let's hope imbuing this kid with some special moral authority based on some random event works out better for the left than it did with Cindy Sheehan.

So you support the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people in 2003?

What US violent stupidity would you oppose?

Sheehan is doing great.

You as usual are on the wrong side of history. The wrong side of human morality.

Well, she failed in her electoral bids to unseat Diane Feinstein, Jerry Brown and Obama. Though I am happy to pin some of the blame for that last one on Roseanne.
 
Well, let's hope imbuing this kid with some special moral authority based on some random event works out better for the left than it did with Cindy Sheehan.

So you support the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people in 2003?

What US violent stupidity would you oppose?

Sheehan is doing great.

You as usual are on the wrong side of history. The wrong side of human morality.

Well, she failed in her electoral bids to unseat Diane Feinstein, Jerry Brown and Obama. Though I am happy to pin some of the blame for that last one on Roseanne.

Oh she lost some US election.

I suppose there are minds small enough to care about that.
 
Well, she failed in her electoral bids to unseat Diane Feinstein, Jerry Brown and Obama. Though I am happy to pin some of the blame for that last one on Roseanne.

Oh she lost some US election.

I suppose there are minds small enough to care about that.

But also if you run against Obama and write critical books about him you must be a racist.
 
Well, she failed in her electoral bids to unseat Diane Feinstein, Jerry Brown and Obama. Though I am happy to pin some of the blame for that last one on Roseanne.

Oh she lost some US election.

I suppose there are minds small enough to care about that.

But also if you run against Obama and write critical books about him you must be a racist.

?

That's a turn to left field.

The US election system is incredibly flawed, completely polluted by the narrow interests of wealth.

With such a system any good people that are elected are just fortunate accidents.

It is more likely to elect a monstrosity like Trump and the majority of Congress.
 
But also if you run against Obama and write critical books about him you must be a racist.

?

That's a turn to left field.

The US election system is incredibly flawed, completely polluted by the narrow interests of wealth.

With such a system any good people that are elected are just fortunate accidents.

It is more likely to elect a monstrosity like Trump and the majority of Congress.

Well, admittedly Nancy Pelosi is very wealthy so you may have a point on that one, but I'd bet Roseanne Barr had more money than Obama in 2012. Celebrity net worth says she's worth $80 million, and Obama probably won't have that kind of money until he's had time to give 5 or 10 Goldman Sachs speeches.
 
But also if you run against Obama and write critical books about him you must be a racist.

?

That's a turn to left field.

The US election system is incredibly flawed, completely polluted by the narrow interests of wealth.

With such a system any good people that are elected are just fortunate accidents.

It is more likely to elect a monstrosity like Trump and the majority of Congress.

Well, admittedly Nancy Pelosi is very wealthy so you may have a point on that one, but I'd bet Roseanne Barr had more money than Obama in 2012. Celebrity net worth says she's worth $80 million, and Obama probably won't have that kind of money until he's had time to give 5 or 10 Goldman Sachs speeches.

You remind me of those apes looking at the black monolith in Kubrick's movie.

You can't seem to make sense of a system polluted by wealth so you jump to crazy conclusions like it means the person who spends the most always wins as opposed to usually wins. And it also means that most of the rules are made by a narrow interest of the most wealthy and corrupt.
 
Ted Nugent, Russian bots join those supporting Laura Ingraham over David Hogg

The dispute over Laura Ingraham’s Twitter insults of Parkland shooting survivor David Hogg has escalated into a full-scale political and cultural battle with a coterie of right-wing and pro-gun supporters joining Fox News in defending the embattled host.

High-profile supporters of Ingraham in her feud with the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School senior include conservative commentators Ben Shapiro, Dinesh D’Souza and Bill O’Reilly, as well as British TV journalist Piers Morgan, who said that the repercussions of her March 28 tweet, saying Hogg “whines,” are an “absurd over-reaction.”

Joining this cause with varying degrees of vehemence are outspoken rocker Ted Nugent, an internet conspiracy theorist who reportedly has ties to Alex Jones and Russian bots, according to another report.

Ted Nugent, Ben Shapiro, Dinesh D’Souza, Bill O’Reilly, Piers Morgan, Russian bots, Alex Jones, and our very own dismal, expressing their support for an adult news commentator who mocked a teenager on social media, not for what he said or did, but because his personal experience surviving a massacre that killed his friends and teachers has led him to take a stance on gun control that differs from the NRA's.

But wait, there's more!

Meanwhile, a website called Hoggwatch.com has emerged that features content exclusively related to Hogg, the New York Daily News reported. The site is linked to conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and pushes false ideas that Hogg is an actor paid by left-wing organizations to turn Americans against the Second Amendment, the Daily News said. Many of the articles are written by Mike Adams, the founder of Natural News, a “bombastic” website that seeks to debunk widely accepted scientific theories, the Daily News added.

Hoggwatch. Because they can't just debate him, they have to destroy him.
 
People talk, and when they do, others either do nothing, talk, act, or both.

If I say, "your momma is fat," then as far as talking goes, you can exercise your right to free speech either by saying nothing or saying something (like, "yeah, well, your momma is ugly"), but talk is just talk--where tires simply meet, gather and converse on pavement. If you look in at the tweets, what you see is essentially limited to speech acts. That's great: say what you want to say, good, bad, or ugly and be thankful you live in a society where you may.

Others out there reading also have the same opportunity to exercise their right to talk. They can do that by keeping their mouths shut (or fingers still), but then again, like anyone else, they can spew about until their hearts are content; either way, that's of a nature limited to the exercise of free speech. More the merrier. Exercise your rights, baby. Say what you feel inside. Let it out honey. I'm fine with all that.

There are those, however, that go beyond (way beyond) simply talking. They act. It's their right; they can do that. If you don't like me calling you names and choose to 'vote with your feet' and no longer buy candy from me or those that like, support, or sponsor me, that's your prerogative, but it's a completely different situation where tires no longer meet the pavement. That's the exercise of a very different right. That's not truly speech...that's motivated action with intention. All well and fine, but not to be conflated and dressed in linguistic cosmetics.

These people willing to stop spending money with the sponsors are not just talkers but doers. They say (say) they believe in free speech, and they speak about their defense of it, but look at their actions that show a different glimpse of what's in their heart. They reveal what they hold inside by how they act. They SHOW you by what they DO. This is now beyond speech and also goes to explain why I have qualms with the flag burning issue. When you can feel the flames when up close and personal to what they're purportedly saying, I find the act more in line with physical action than I do verbiage and word play, but I digress.

If you truly wanted to encourage people to EXERCISE their right to speak (be what they say you like or not), then any actions that culminate as a backlash to actions, that's a horse of another color, but if you hear what a person says and respond not in kind but with action, then a more careful review of motive is in order.

It seems to me that pain, hurt, and suffering is what the liberal wants. If a TV host were to spew vile that you find inappropriate, you may want it to stop, and one thing to do is speak your mind, but if your logic, reason, and rationale doesn't ease the flow of public verbal filth, you might want to choose not words but actions TO shut them up. Some major financial pains might stop them from sucking eggs, so to speak.

Battle it out with words, but if that doesn't work, the greater the amount of suffering and pain the better, right? Destruction of any kind will do, but financial ruin is so tasty and lures many as a much better approach to shutting people up doesn't it? Oh but wait, is THAT what you seek? Do you do everything in your power through action (such as encouraging and engaging in boycotts) to see them suffer--just because they spew some vile in word form? Yeah, not exactly encouraging for people (with something to lose) to be so candid and open. By "you", I don't mean it literally.

If you (generically speaking) genuinely think for some ungodly reason that the companies sponsoring the show give a damn about some teen survivor, then by all means, say what you want, and say it in deliuded detail. Tell us how you feel inside. I (me) won't try to have you destroyed financially. I would NOT want you to feel like your entire life's cumulative wealth hangs in the balance. I might not like what you say, but just as a responsible gun owner would do, I'd keep my weapon of choice holstered. I believe in free speech, and so I'm not going to do everything in my power that fosters the possibility of shutting you up.

Spread your thoughts. What do you have to lose? But, people, smart people, who have managed to amass something worth protecting (and that's dollars, not people), they also have to be smart enough to hide what others can so freely share. Want to keep your job, better walk the line. Wanna keep your business afloat, watch what you say to who. In politics, lie your ass off to every extent possible just for a chance to survive--orange haired billionnares excluded of course. Wow, Trump is impressive!!!
 
People talk, and when they do, others either do nothing, talk, act, or both.

If I say, "your momma is fat," then as far as talking goes, you can exercise your right to free speech either by saying nothing or saying something (like, "yeah, well, your momma is ugly"), but talk is just talk--where tires simply meet, gather and converse on pavement. If you look in at the tweets, what you see is essentially limited to speech acts. That's great: say what you want to say, good, bad, or ugly and be thankful you live in a society where you may.

Others out there reading also have the same opportunity to exercise their right to talk. They can do that by keeping their mouths shut (or fingers still), but then again, like anyone else, they can spew about until their hearts are content; either way, that's of a nature limited to the exercise of free speech. More the merrier. Exercise your rights, baby. Say what you feel inside. Let it out honey. I'm fine with all that.

There are those, however, that go beyond (way beyond) simply talking. They act. It's their right; they can do that. If you don't like me calling you names and choose to 'vote with your feet' and no longer buy candy from me or those that like, support, or sponsor me, that's your prerogative, but it's a completely different situation where tires no longer meet the pavement. That's the exercise of a very different right. That's not truly speech...that's motivated action with intention. All well and fine, but not to be conflated and dressed in linguistic cosmetics.

These people willing to stop spending money with the sponsors are not just talkers but doers. They say (say) they believe in free speech, and they speak about their defense of it, but look at their actions that show a different glimpse of what's in their heart. They reveal what they hold inside by how they act. They SHOW you by what they DO. This is now beyond speech and also goes to explain why I have qualms with the flag burning issue. When you can feel the flames when up close and personal to what they're purportedly saying, I find the act more in line with physical action than I do verbiage and word play, but I digress.

If you truly wanted to encourage people to EXERCISE their right to speak (be what they say you like or not), then any actions that culminate as a backlash to actions, that's a horse of another color, but if you hear what a person says and respond not in kind but with action, then a more careful review of motive is in order.

It seems to me that pain, hurt, and suffering is what the liberal wants. If a TV host were to spew vile that you find inappropriate, you may want it to stop, and one thing to do is speak your mind, but if your logic, reason, and rationale doesn't ease the flow of public verbal filth, you might want to choose not words but actions TO shut them up. Some major financial pains might stop them from sucking eggs, so to speak.

Battle it out with words, but if that doesn't work, the greater the amount of suffering and pain the better, right? Destruction of any kind will do, but financial ruin is so tasty and lures many as a much better approach to shutting people up doesn't it? Oh but wait, is THAT what you seek? Do you do everything in your power through action (such as encouraging and engaging in boycotts) to see them suffer--just because they spew some vile in word form? Yeah, not exactly encouraging for people (with something to lose) to be so candid and open. By "you", I don't mean it literally.

If you (generically speaking) genuinely think for some ungodly reason that the companies sponsoring the show give a damn about some teen survivor, then by all means, say what you want, and say it in deliuded detail. Tell us how you feel inside. I (me) won't try to have you destroyed financially. I would NOT want you to feel like your entire life's cumulative wealth hangs in the balance. I might not like what you say, but just as a responsible gun owner would do, I'd keep my weapon of choice holstered. I believe in free speech, and so I'm not going to do everything in my power that fosters the possibility of shutting you up.

Spread your thoughts. What do you have to lose? But, people, smart people, who have managed to amass something worth protecting (and that's dollars, not people), they also have to be smart enough to hide what others can so freely share. Want to keep your job, better walk the line. Wanna keep your business afloat, watch what you say to who. In politics, lie your ass off to every extent possible just for a chance to survive--orange haired billionnares excluded of course. Wow, Trump is impressive!!!

If you insult my mom, what expectation do you have that I will 'buy candy from you'? If you earn your income selling candy, maybe don't insult the customers. And then go on to blame them that they are censoring your speech.

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...I'd have thought that the Nazi salute she threw on national tv was a hint to not advertise on her show, but whatever...

You think giving a Nazi salute is bad?

No, that's just "adding drama."

If you think Nazi salutes are bad, that means you are committing White Genocide! You're just like the Nazis and white supremacists are like the persecuted Jews who were slaughtered by the millions in concentration camps!!!!!!! [/conservolibertarian]

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Regardless of what you think of the politics of Ingraham or Hogg, there are some videos of of Hogg where is very abrasive. About as abrasive as Ingraham.

Probably she has watched all of those clips (likely not in full context) of Hogg being abrasive and read all of her sides "takedowns" of him.

So, this abrasive side of Hogg is probably not well known to others and really shouldn't matter so much. But it is like him sticking his tongue out at his older sister or slapping her, but the parents only see the older sister smacking him in the face.

What do y'all here think of Kyle Kashuv?

Personally, I don't care too much about gun control either way.

Also, I mostly dislike Ingraham on a visceral level for what it is worth.



There is a 99.99999% chance Ingraham has seen this video.



I knew we would get at least one conservolibertarian defending Ingraham and attacking the child.
 
Ingraham didn't criticize his manners or his language. She didn't attack his argument. She didn't refute any points he has raised. She mocked him about not getting into the college he really wanted to attend. She was trying to discredit him as a spokesperson for victims of a gun violence by calling him a whiner, and implying he was a loser.

Yes, but Hogg can sometimes be "abrasive" in the eyes of right wingnuts, therefore both sides are exactly as bad, therefore you are wrong to find fault with Ingraham! How dare those children beg for their lives after surviving a mass shooting?
 
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