Le Pen: France is next. The Axis of Stupid will soon be complete.

[LordKiran]

His point is that western propaganda did not run unopposed, counter to your assertion.

It ran unopposed since 1991 to 2005. That's most of modern Russia history.

Well then someone needs to clarify what the subject encompasses.

 

[barbos]

It ran unopposed since 1991 to 2005. That's most of modern Russia history.

Well then someone needs to clarify what the subject encompasses.

I have a better idea, someone should stop equating modern Russia with Soviet Union.

 

[iolo]

Socialism is a dirty word in the US so a socialist principle on affordable and free medicine is called Obama Care. There is good in all the systems, hence most states have a mixed philosophy. Of course I have to be sure that this doesn't equate to Naional Socialism.

But it is socialism. Regardless of it being a dirty word or not. Also, both the Republicans and Democrats are mostly socialist. It's the new normal so people don't realize it. The entire 20'th and 21'st century has been a steady march towards socialism.

Only in the sense of being forced to give more power to the capitalist state, which is an odd use of language.

 

[DrZoidberg]

But it is socialism. Regardless of it being a dirty word or not. Also, both the Republicans and Democrats are mostly socialist. It's the new normal so people don't realize it. The entire 20'th and 21'st century has been a steady march towards socialism.

Only in the sense of being forced to give more power to the capitalist state, which is an odd use of language.

If there are any regulations in place that exist in order to protect workers and workers rights = socialism. Before that most regulations surrounding workers focused on ways to punish them for misbehaving. I think you're so used to these kinds of laws that you've become blind to them and forgotten where they're from and why we have them.

 

[iolo]

Only in the sense of being forced to give more power to the capitalist state, which is an odd use of language.

If there are any regulations in place that exist in order to protect workers and workers rights = socialism. Before that most regulations surrounding workers focused on ways to punish them for misbehaving. I think you're so used to these kinds of laws that you've become blind to them and forgotten where they're from and why we have them.

Regulations are there to keep the wage-slaves alive and available, nothing else. If the thieves could stop them eating and needing roofs they'd keep them in pig-pens, as you know. Whatever happens, the mugs must never be too comfortable or ever grow confident!

 

[DrZoidberg]

If there are any regulations in place that exist in order to protect workers and workers rights = socialism. Before that most regulations surrounding workers focused on ways to punish them for misbehaving. I think you're so used to these kinds of laws that you've become blind to them and forgotten where they're from and why we have them.

Regulations are there to keep the wage-slaves alive and available, nothing else. If the thieves could stop them eating and needing roofs they'd keep them in pig-pens, as you know. Whatever happens, the mugs must never be too comfortable or ever grow confident!

Here's a list of laws that exist only to protect workers, who without these laws would have no protection. These laws are all socialism. I fail to see how the world would be a better place without these laws?

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/120914/8-federal-laws-protect-employees.asp

 

[Underseer]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/world/europe/donald-trump-marine-le-pen.html

First the UK with Brexit, then America with Trump, now it looks like France is next.

Did I mention that France, the UK, and America are also ground zero for anti-vaccine crap in the Western world?

I think it's time to declare America, the UK, and France the Axis of Stupid.

What does anti-vaccing and Trump support have to do with one another other than you thinking then both to be stupid?

That's the connection.

More often than not, the loudest Trump denouncers are also the loudest vaccine denouncers.

False. While anti-vaccine stupidity exists on both sides, anti-vaccine people are statistically more likely to be conservative than liberal. You should probably check facts like that before making truth claims with such confidence.

 

[Jaecp]

Well then someone needs to clarify what the subject encompasses.

I have a better idea, someone should stop equating modern Russia with Soviet Union.

When your ex-KGB leader, whose been in control of the country since 1999, is no longer in power that statement of yours will hold better

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I have a better idea, someone should stop equating modern Russia with Soviet Union.

When your ex-KGB leader, whose been in control of the country since 1999, is no longer in power that statement of yours will hold better

Ya, but that's not the same. It's like if you have a serial killer but then that serial killer puts on a different hat. Is he really still a serial killer? Not if the Politburo orders the state controlled media to assert that he's someone else now, he's not.

 

[blastula]

Ain't that the Truth. Or as they say in Russia, Pravda.

I have not heard about Pravda being distributed globally in english.

You mean it doesn't count as propaganda unless it's worldwide in English? But there has been an English version of Pravda for years. And to call BBC and CNN equivalent to RT in propaganda is a reach.

 

[crispy]

Russian propaganda needs to be identified and stopped or this will keep happening

This is just plain ol' local stupidity.

 

[barbos]

I have not heard about Pravda being distributed globally in english.

You mean it doesn't count as propaganda unless it's worldwide in English? But there has been an English version of Pravda for years.

If you can't read it then it's not propaganda. And again, you keep equating Soviet Union with today's Russia.

And to call BBC and CNN equivalent to RT in propaganda is a reach.

Why not? what about FoxNews?

 

[LordKiran]

You mean it doesn't count as propaganda unless it's worldwide in English? But there has been an English version of Pravda for years.

If you can't read it then it's not propaganda. And again, you keep equating Soviet Union with today's Russia.

And to call BBC and CNN equivalent to RT in propaganda is a reach.

Why not? what about FoxNews?

You'd have a hard time finding anyone here who considers Fox a legitimate news organization. They are a propaganda machine, but not against Russia specifically. The fact that Fox comes out against Russia is entirely circumstantial. Notice how this anti-Russian stance has become muted with the introduction of Trump.

 

[barbos]

I have a better idea, someone should stop equating modern Russia with Soviet Union.

When your ex-KGB leader, whose been in control of the country since 1999, is no longer in power that statement of yours will hold better

So, you admit that the whole entirety of US foreign policy with respect to a country is based on rather uneventful and boring part of biography of the leader of the country?

Bush the senior was a head of CIA, just so you know.
And Trump is even worse, he has been piece shit his whole life, do you suggest foreign countries demand his resignation?

 

[barbos]

If you can't read it then it's not propaganda. And again, you keep equating Soviet Union with today's Russia.

And to call BBC and CNN equivalent to RT in propaganda is a reach.

Why not? what about FoxNews?

You'd have a hard time finding anyone here who considers Fox a legitimate news organization. They are a propaganda machine, but not against Russia specifically. The fact that Fox comes out against Russia is entirely circumstantial. Notice how this anti-Russian stance has become muted with the introduction of Trump.

I don't see CNN eating FoxNews alive over this. In fact US news outlets are remarkably united in their bashing of Russia.

 

[LordKiran]

If you can't read it then it's not propaganda. And again, you keep equating Soviet Union with today's Russia.

And to call BBC and CNN equivalent to RT in propaganda is a reach.

Why not? what about FoxNews?

You'd have a hard time finding anyone here who considers Fox a legitimate news organization. They are a propaganda machine, but not against Russia specifically. The fact that Fox comes out against Russia is entirely circumstantial. Notice how this anti-Russian stance has become muted with the introduction of Trump.

I don't see CNN eating FoxNews alive over this. In fact US news outlets are remarkably united in their bashing of Russia.

Now sure, only as a more recent development. Believe it or not, but our media doesn't base it's existence of bashing Russia. Further, any bashing Russia does receive can pretty much always be traced to a lesser political motivation back home. The reason Fox bashed Russia in 08 was because it suited the republican platform to do so, just as it is so for the DNC platform now.

 

[barbos]

Now sure, only as a more recent development. Believe it or not, but our media doesn't base it's existence of bashing Russia. Further, any bashing Russia does receive can pretty much always be traced to a lesser political motivation back home.

I know that, and US media does not base its existence on a lot of things like for example - telling the truth.

The reason Fox bashed Russia in 08 was because it suited the republican platform to do so, just as it is so for the DNC platform now.

The reason why all US media bashes Russia all the time is because it's convenient and what people and US government want. The facts be damned.

 

[LordKiran]

I know that, and US media does not base its existence on a lot of things like for example - telling the truth.

The reason Fox bashed Russia in 08 was because it suited the republican platform to do so, just as it is so for the DNC platform now.

The reason why all US media bashes Russia all the time is because it's convenient and what people and US government want. The facts be damned.

Fox is really the only major news network that purposefully outright lies to its audience. The other networks have their own shady dealings, but Fox is frequently singled out because of just how much worse they are in every conceivable way.

I don't like TYT (I consider them to be mainstream at this point) I dislike their Fox style format and their plethora of preachy 20-something news heads, but I am willing to believe that they did not ever purposely lie to or mislead me. Admittedly this is probably misplaced trust on my part but even with the same format there really is no comparison to the utter contempt fox news shows for the intelligence of its audience.

 

[barbos]

I know that, and US media does not base its existence on a lot of things like for example - telling the truth.

The reason why all US media bashes Russia all the time is because it's convenient and what people and US government want. The facts be damned.

Fox is really the only major news network that purposefully outright lies to its audience. The other networks have their own shady dealings, but Fox is frequently singled out because of just how much worse they are in every conceivable way.

I don't like TYT (I consider them to be mainstream at this point) I dislike their Fox style format and their plethora of preachy 20-something news heads, but I am willing to believe that they did not ever purposely lie to or mislead me. Admittedly this is probably misplaced trust on my part but even with the same format there really is no comparison to the utter contempt fox news shows for the intelligence of its audience.

Shepard Smith is not your ordinary FoxNews liar, he is pretty moderate and will certainly be welcome at CNN if he decides to switch. He certainly did not lie in that particular clip, it was actually worse, he was clueless about reality.

 

[iolo]

Regulations are there to keep the wage-slaves alive and available, nothing else. If the thieves could stop them eating and needing roofs they'd keep them in pig-pens, as you know. Whatever happens, the mugs must never be too comfortable or ever grow confident!

Here's a list of laws that exist only to protect workers, who without these laws would have no protection. These laws are all socialism. I fail to see how the world would be a better place without these laws?

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/120914/8-federal-laws-protect-employees.asp

Such laws were introduced to save the necks of the thieves, obviously, as people grew pissed off with them. Come On - where have you been?