Yeah, no. I think you are grossly exaggerating. The part about not dating non-Muslims is correct in a lot of cases, although that's oftentimes due to the families and not the children. But that's not something unique to Muslims. I have never once met a Muslim who said they can't have non-Muslim friends.
Pew surveys have shown that at least here in the U.S., Muslims identify as "Muslim" before "American" at pretty much the same rate as Christians do. And most don't see a conflict between the two. If it's different elsewhere, it's obviously due to the surrounding sociopolitical circumstances and not what the Qur'an says.
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She's a bigot? The imman at the moslem school or mosque who tells his followers that Jews are monkeys and death to the infidels is not a bigot??
How in the hell does this follow from what I posted?
I haven't seen you make a single rational statement anywhere in this thread. Or the other one, for that matter.
Typical response. Attack the messenger when you don't like the message.
Typical response from someone who dismissed corrections focusing on several of his claims in his previous thread and now statements correcting claims made in this thread. Why do you not address the central point of Hirsi Ali's stances implying that ALL Muslims should be "crashed under our boot"? Why have you not addressed the central point of her implying that they be stripped of their Constitutional Identity in Western nations? Why have you not addressed her inflammatory portraying of Muslim schools in Western nations teaching children that Jews are "pigs and monkeys"? Why are you dismissing the vast experience of socialization with Muslims of posters who have attested that they have never encountered Muslims telling them "they cannot have non Muslim friends"?
Why did you state :
http://talkfreethought.org/showthre...-of-islamophobia&p=15187&viewfull=1#post15187
"Isn't it a fact that the silence from muslims is deafening after many muslim terrorist attacks?"
when I had previously commented about the response to Islamist terrorism and counter measures adopted by the Muslim nation of Morocco targeting the expansion of radical Islamist terrorist factions into Mali as well as counter measures targeting the same groups attempting to recruit and radicalize young Moroccans in Morocco? Is that what you refer to as "deafening silence"?
Your one liner I quoted above was addressed by me yet you did NOT acknowledge my correction of your statement,
http://talkfreethought.org/showthre...-of-islamophobia&p=15407&viewfull=1#post15407
Am I to expect that you will trot the same claim in another one of those anti Muslims fear/hate mongering propaganda threads?
Are we supposed to be celebrating the fact that in two countries out of the whole moslem world are trying to ferret out the radicals? Not having much success in Nigeria are they.
You are supposed to acknowledge that your previous claim,
"Isn't it a fact that the silence from muslims is deafening after many muslim terrorist attacks?" was demonstrated to be incorrect. Further, it is not only "two countries out of the whole moslem world" who have joined the efforts deployed in Mali by members of the African-led International Support Mission to Mali (AFISMA). To name a few : Chad, Ivory Coast, Senegal etc...A total number of 21 AFISMA members . To note that Ivory Coast, Togo, Sierra Leone and several others engaged in Mali are members of the Organization for Islamic Cooperation. Several have a Muslim majority population and Muslim members in their Government.That might be news to you as I do not expect you to be familiar with the demographics and the diversity of the governmental representation of members of the AFISMA.
Can you prove these muslim schools and mosques are not teaching young impressionable young kids that Jews are pigs and infidels are apes? That both are the enemy? That they should not associate with them?
A better question would be : "has Ali provided evidence that Muslim schools throughout Europe incite antisemitism and refer to Jews as "pigs and monkeys". The answer is NO. Considering the documentation I previously provided regarding the rating of best lycees in France, do you imagine that the French Administration would include in its top rated listing any school where students would be incited into antisemitism while Faculty and Staff members would refer to Jews as "pigs and monkeys", calling them "the enemy" and forbidding association with them? Are you not aware that racial and religious hatred speech in France is penalized? Have you forgotten the heavy fines (twice) which hit Bardot upon the publication of books which incite hatred against the French of immigrant origin, specifically targeting folks of Northern African and Sub Sahara origin, an immigrant origin group constituting the vast majority of our French Muslims? So, non, Muslims schools in my country are not going to engage in conditioning children into cultivating antisemitism. But in Ali's mind, all Muslim schools in Europe do. She would equally advocate closing Muslim schools in my country to include the top rated lycee in France which happens to be a private Muslim school.
It seems that Ali Hirsi would be a lot more knowledgeable than you as she was and still is a muslim.
It does not seem rather it is a certainty that you tend to unfortunately produce too many incorrect claims : Ali deconverted in 2002 and became a self declared atheist. She is not "still a Muslim". Another certainty is that Ali engages in inflammatory depictions of Muslims in general without making any distinction whatsoever. I make those distinctions.
