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Low-carb, high-fat diet

EricK said:
DBT said:
Fibre is necessary, including micro nutrient such as vitamin C, etc...which can be provided by non starchy carbs.
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Actually this isn't true.

See eg http://zerocarbzen.com/vitamin-c/
Or http://www.zerocarbhealth.com/index.php/2015/05/page/2/

And this guy, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley#Diet_and_health , lived on a no carb diet healthily for over 50 years.
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Taking a small sample comprised of one or two individuals, or indigenous groups who have adapted to such a diet, is not necessarily an accurate indicator for what is good for everyone.
 
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DBT said:
EricK said:
Actually this isn't true.

See eg http://zerocarbzen.com/vitamin-c/
Or http://www.zerocarbhealth.com/index.php/2015/05/page/2/

And this guy, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley#Diet_and_health , lived on a no carb diet healthily for over 50 years.
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Taking a small sample comprised of one or two individuals, or indigenous groups who have adapted to such a diet, is not necessarily an accurate indicator for what is good for everyone.
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And an all meat diet is a fad like other fads. Even the Maasai ate some plants and used a "soup" even before their diet changed. The stories that there were some Maasai villages that never ate any vegetables as late as the 1930's are purely anecdotal with no resemblence to scientific method. In those days the Maasai still held the rest of the world in complete contempt (and who is to say that they were wrong?) and did not communicate with it more than they had to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_people#Diet
 
4321lynx said:
DBT said:
Taking a small sample comprised of one or two individuals, or indigenous groups who have adapted to such a diet, is not necessarily an accurate indicator for what is good for everyone.
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And an all meat diet is a fad like other fads. Even the Maasai ate some plants and used a "soup" even before their diet changed. The stories that there were some Maasai villages that never ate any vegetables as late as the 1930's are purely anecdotal with no resemblence to scientific method. In those days the Maasai still held the rest of the world in complete contempt (and who is to say that they were wrong?) and did not communicate with it more than they had to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_people#Diet
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But none of this argues against the theory that plant food is not necessary in the diet.

As far as I know the only scientific experiments on an all-meat diet have suggested it is perfectly healthy - and the anecdotal evidence points that way as well.
 
I was fat once and tried it. Made me feel like shit. I lost 50 lbs and I ate a ton of fresh fruit. I like to workout a lot and hell if I can get a good workout in when I'm not fully loaded on sugar. Most of my fellow cyclists and runners eat lots of sugar and none of us are fat. Most of the people I know going high protein are fat. That is my anecdotal evidence.

I haven't watched all these videos, but it's a big rip on the Atkin's diet (Low Carb) which seems to be re marketed now as the Paleo diet.


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL213F09898849186C
 
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EricK said:
4321lynx said:
And an all meat diet is a fad like other fads. Even the Maasai ate some plants and used a "soup" even before their diet changed. The stories that there were some Maasai villages that never ate any vegetables as late as the 1930's are purely anecdotal with no resemblence to scientific method. In those days the Maasai still held the rest of the world in complete contempt (and who is to say that they were wrong?) and did not communicate with it more than they had to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasai_people#Diet
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But none of this argues against the theory that plant food is not necessary in the diet.

As far as I know the only scientific experiments on an all-meat diet have suggested it is perfectly healthy - and the anecdotal evidence points that way as well.
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I'm a bit skeptical of anecdotal evidence regarding claims made by individuals who say they ate nothing but protein and fat from animal sources.....I mean really, do you think the guy never touched a side salad, never used garlic or onions to spice his meat, never used herbal spices, never squeezed a lemon onto his fish fillet, etc? It doesn't seem likely.
 
Regardless of where you derive your energy source (and they'll be arguing this until the cows come home), you need to burn it off. Simple carbs, complex carbs, fat, protein; to my knowledge this is the order in which it gets burned off for fuel.
Most people just do not find the time to exercise. Guilt has them parking further away and taking the stairs at work and maybe one forty-five minute workout on the weekend. That will not do. Your sedentary job will not allow you to loose weight. And if you work more than eight hours a day, you don't stand a chance.
More physical activity, less fuel of choice, none after 7PM. Not that I've been able to follow it, but that's my model.
 
I've only heard that you should mostly focus on the monounsaturated fats, if you need more fat in your diet.
 
TV and credit cards said:
Regardless of where you derive your energy source (and they'll be arguing this until the cows come home), you need to burn it off. Simple carbs, complex carbs, fat, protein; to my knowledge this is the order in which it gets burned off for fuel.
Most people just do not find the time to exercise. Guilt has them parking further away and taking the stairs at work and maybe one forty-five minute workout on the weekend. That will not do. Your sedentary job will not allow you to loose weight. And if you work more than eight hours a day, you don't stand a chance.
More physical activity, less fuel of choice, none after 7PM. Not that I've been able to follow it, but that's my model.
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If your body's hunger signals work properly, and you listen to them, exercise has no effect on weight loss (which is not to say it doesn't have other beneficial effects). If you exercise more you will get hungrier and eat more; if you don't exercise you will be less hungry and eat less. One of the benefits of a very low carb diet is that for a lot of people carbs interfere with their hunger signals (perhaps by causing large peaks and troughs in their blood sugar). Whereas people who are primarily burning fat as their main fuel source don't experience this and so can trust their hunger signals - indeed it is actually difficult to overeat on such a diet, whereas it's easy if you include a lot of carbs in your diet.
 
TV and credit cards said:
Regardless of where you derive your energy source (and they'll be arguing this until the cows come home), you need to burn it off. Simple carbs, complex carbs, fat, protein; to my knowledge this is the order in which it gets burned off for fuel.
Most people just do not find the time to exercise. Guilt has them parking further away and taking the stairs at work and maybe one forty-five minute workout on the weekend. That will not do. Your sedentary job will not allow you to loose weight. And if you work more than eight hours a day, you don't stand a chance.
More physical activity, less fuel of choice, none after 7PM. Not that I've been able to follow it, but that's my model.
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This is an interesting old thread from another forum: http://web.archive.org/web/20090205123104/http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/ftopic846-0-asc-100.php

Someone experimented by trying to deliberately overeat a high fat, very low carb diet for 30 days, without doing any exercise. He didn't gain a single pound in weight. Here are some examples of what he ate:

Day 1

2 cups heavy whipping cream
3 raw egg yolks
7 Tbs butter
5 mugs coffee
1.26 lbs. ribeye steak, nearly raw
2 more ounces heavy whipping cream

4260 calories
423g fat
6g carbs
122g protein

Day 3

2 cups heavy whipping cream
3 raw egg yolks
12 Tbs butter
1.24 lbs. ribeye steak, nearly raw
1.74 pounds boneless country style pork ribs, nearly raw

6423 calories
604g fat
1g carb
252g protein

Day 29

15 ounces boneless country style pork ribs, nearly raw
3 eggs, fried in butter
1 pound boiled shrimp
5 Tbs butter

2237 calories
173g fat
5g carbs
157g protein
 
EricB said:
If anyone wants any actual references, let me know.
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Yes please. It helps to see the research that supports these claims, particularly in the nutrition industry where the signal-to-noise ratio is so poor.

Every diet out there, including all of the bullshit ones, are supported by mere anecdotal evidence, making it worthless.
 
bigfield said:
EricB said:
If anyone wants any actual references, let me know.
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Yes please. It helps to see the research that supports these claims, particularly in the nutrition industry where the signal-to-noise ratio is so poor.

Every diet out there, including all of the bullshit ones, are supported by mere anecdotal evidence, making it worthless.
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Sorry for the delay, out of the country for a bit.

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=205916

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16476868/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15148063

Could produce more, but you get the idea.


In my experience (more than 25 years coaching / teaching, and tack on ten more years competing in a weight class) the number one key to an effective diet is finding the one you will stick with.
 
EricK said:
TV and credit cards said:
Regardless of where you derive your energy source (and they'll be arguing this until the cows come home), you need to burn it off. Simple carbs, complex carbs, fat, protein; to my knowledge this is the order in which it gets burned off for fuel.
Most people just do not find the time to exercise. Guilt has them parking further away and taking the stairs at work and maybe one forty-five minute workout on the weekend. That will not do. Your sedentary job will not allow you to loose weight. And if you work more than eight hours a day, you don't stand a chance.
More physical activity, less fuel of choice, none after 7PM. Not that I've been able to follow it, but that's my model.
Click to expand...

This is an interesting old thread from another forum: http://web.archive.org/web/20090205123104/http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/ftopic846-0-asc-100.php

Someone experimented by trying to deliberately overeat a high fat, very low carb diet for 30 days, without doing any exercise. He didn't gain a single pound in weight. Here are some examples of what he ate:

Day 1

2 cups heavy whipping cream
3 raw egg yolks
7 Tbs butter
5 mugs coffee
1.26 lbs. ribeye steak, nearly raw
2 more ounces heavy whipping cream

4260 calories
423g fat
6g carbs
122g protein

Day 3

2 cups heavy whipping cream
3 raw egg yolks
12 Tbs butter
1.24 lbs. ribeye steak, nearly raw
1.74 pounds boneless country style pork ribs, nearly raw

6423 calories
604g fat
1g carb
252g protein

Day 29

15 ounces boneless country style pork ribs, nearly raw
3 eggs, fried in butter
1 pound boiled shrimp
5 Tbs butter

2237 calories
173g fat
5g carbs
157g protein
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I'm a fan of the low-carb diet.

At one point, a typical meal for me was chicken, pork or beef fried in olive oil (I don't have a BBQ grill), then using the drippings or maybe butter, sauteed a side of green vegetables. A typical breakfast was fried eggs with bacon or sausage or protein bars and protein shakes.

I was eating greasy proteins fried in grease. And losing weight. And not having any side effects.

I went to my doctor for my annual checkup and my blood work was excellent. All my cholesterol levels straight down the middle in the normal category, my blood pressure was good to excellent.

My doctor wrote on my labs "Keep up the good work!"

I've been off and on the diet for years. And each I'm on the diet religiously, my blood work is excellent.
 
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