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About fucking time.
Well, yes, but this seems to be about stolen official (classified?) documents he has no right to be in possession of. So while yes, it is great that 18 months after taking stuff he shouldn't have, the Government is working on getting it back... the scope of the search isn't too broad.
 

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About fucking time.
Well, yes, but this seems to be about stolen official (classified?) documents he has no right to be in possession of. So while yes, it is great that 18 months after taking stuff he shouldn't have, the Government is working on getting it back... the scope of the search isn't too broad.
The national archives have been after him for a long time to return all of these documents that he took when he left. The documents belong to the American people not to trump. About fucking time.
 

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"Lock and Load" is trending among the idiots who wanted Hillary locked up because of possible classified documents on her server...
I kinda hope there's a wee bit of a massacre where a few thousand of the Country's worst Magats are exterminated.
 

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I'll just say my governor is a moron and leave it at that.

I wish he were.
I see Desantis as a smarter and more politically savvy TeaPartier. That scares me.
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ETA ~I'm not even much worried about Trump 2024. Because this time he'll be up against real players like Cruz and DeSantis. And he won't be taking them by surprise the way he did in 2016. ~
 

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Most of the country needs a shower after listening to Cruz. DeSantis hasn't worn out his welcome yet; he's the biggest threat to F-head.
 

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I'll just say my governor is a moron and leave it at that.

I wish he were.
I see Desantis as a smarter and more politically savvy TeaPartier. That scares me.
Tom

ETA ~I'm not even much worried about Trump 2024. Because this time he'll be up against real players like Cruz and DeSantis. And he won't be taking them by surprise the way he did in 2016. ~

I wasn't talking about politically. I could see through the tweet from a beach on HIP 13044 b in Andromeda. He's Trying to get more Suckers to vote for him while pretending not to want the investigation to succeed in removing competition. What I was talking about is it takes a moron to treat America the way that he does. Which is to tread on it for the sake of himself and his party without maybe considering that when the social fabric is broken (and it will if we keep this up) he and all our leaders (Republican and Democrats ) will be the first targets and it will be hard as fuck if not impossible to go back to the 1990's, 1980's ,1970's 1960's, 1950's, hell SOMETEENANYTHING America.

This is already a tight situation given the magnitude of it (a former president's home being raided by the FBI). You have to be a complete utter idiot to not see how dangerous the situation is and then choose to throw gasoline on the fire when you yourself aren't safe from that fire. If he thinks he is, that's another reason to consider him a moron. Nobody is safe.
 

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If the FBI didn't find the documents during the raid, this will be milked to death by GOP and the trumpists until end of time.
 

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If the FBI didn't find the documents during the raid, this will be milked to death by GOP and the trumpists until end of time.
Quite true.
Which is why I'm confident that they had good reasons to go in.

Whether the documents will contain what was expected is a different question.

Finding one that explains how Trump promised to hand over Ukraine provided Putin helped get him reelected would be a lot to hope for, I suppose. But I can dream, can't I?
Tom
 

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So there were actual papers? Or electronic docs? I thought he flushed all the papers - the plumbers might have them though.

Please do not flush:

Paper towels
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I'll just say my governor is a moron and leave it at that.
He isn't a moron, he is a capable fascist... a Trump like mindset, but with political savvy.

Seems you and I have different usages for the word moron. A person who is smart enough to do the wrong thing in a way that they get away with or succeed at it is no less doing the wrong thing than someone dumb doing it and getting caught. And doing the wrong thing in and of itself is a stupid and moronic thing to do. Kapeesh?
 

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Republicans are threatening retaliation, investigations into the DOJ. Maybe they want to do another set of Bengaziiiii style hearings where nothing is found out, but they get to smear the people they want... Or maybe they are just making noise now, because if they really tried to investigate the FBI/DOJ, that would be a good avenue for releasing the evidence they actually have on Trump. Kinda think they would want to avoid that.
 

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I'll just say my governor is a moron and leave it at that.
He isn't a moron, he is a capable fascist... a Trump like mindset, but with political savvy.

Seems you and I have different usages for the word moron. A person who is smart enough to do the wrong thing in a way that they get away with or succeed at it is no less doing the wrong thing than someone dumb doing it and getting caught. And doing the wrong thing in and of itself is a stupid and moronic thing to do. Kapeesh?

I get what you're saying here.

Unfortunately, by that standard, humans are consistently morons and global society is run by morons. From Boris Johnson to Xi to ...

Tom
 

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I'll just say my governor is a moron and leave it at that.
He isn't a moron, he is a capable fascist... a Trump like mindset, but with political savvy.

Seems you and I have different usages for the word moron. A person who is smart enough to do the wrong thing in a way that they get away with or succeed at it is no less doing the wrong thing than someone dumb doing it and getting caught. And doing the wrong thing in and of itself is a stupid and moronic thing to do. Kapeesh?

I get what you're saying here.

Unfortunately, by that standard, humans are consistently morons and global society is run by morons. From Boris Johnson to Xi to ...

Tom

Nothing wrong with that standard from where I'm sitting. I mean, if you don't want to use my unit of measure you don't have to.
 

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I'll just say my governor is a moron and leave it at that.
He isn't a moron, he is a capable fascist... a Trump like mindset, but with political savvy.

Seems you and I have different usages for the word moron. A person who is smart enough to do the wrong thing in a way that they get away with or succeed at it is no less doing the wrong thing than someone dumb doing it and getting caught. And doing the wrong thing in and of itself is a stupid and moronic thing to do. Kapeesh?
Moron is someone that is stupid.

You seem to be conflating criminal and moron together. DeSantis is not stupid.
 

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Republicans are threatening retaliation, investigations into the DOJ. Maybe they want to do another set of Bengaziiiii style hearings where nothing is found out, but they get to smear the people they want... Or maybe they are just making noise now, because if they really tried to investigate the FBI/DOJ, that would be a good avenue for releasing the evidence they actually have on Trump. Kinda think they would want to avoid that.
Who is going to "investigate" the DOJ and FBI for them? Matty Gaetz? Windsock Graham? Lauren Bobblehead?
Maybe Donny is going to do it all by hisseff? What a bunch of hapless clowns.
 

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I wonder if the FBI agents got some of that chocolate cake Trump raves about.
Republicans are threatening retaliation, investigations into the DOJ. Maybe they want to do another set of Bengaziiiii style hearings where nothing is found out, but they get to smear the people they want... Or maybe they are just making noise now, because if they really tried to investigate the FBI/DOJ, that would be a good avenue for releasing the evidence they actually have on Trump. Kinda think they would want to avoid that.
I can't imagine how well documented this needed to be for a judge and Attorney General to sign off on this action. You could build a house on the foundation that was used for that search!
 

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I'll just say my governor is a moron and leave it at that.
He isn't a moron, he is a capable fascist... a Trump like mindset, but with political savvy.

Seems you and I have different usages for the word moron. A person who is smart enough to do the wrong thing in a way that they get away with or succeed at it is no less doing the wrong thing than someone dumb doing it and getting caught. And doing the wrong thing in and of itself is a stupid and moronic thing to do. Kapeesh?
Moron is someone that is stupid.

You seem to be conflating criminal and moron together. DeSantis is not stupid.

So it's smart to be a facist?
 

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Republicans are threatening retaliation, investigations into the DOJ. Maybe they want to do another set of Bengaziiiii style hearings where nothing is found out, but they get to smear the people they want... Or maybe they are just making noise now, because if they really tried to investigate the FBI/DOJ, that would be a good avenue for releasing the evidence they actually have on Trump. Kinda think they would want to avoid that.
 

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If the FBI didn't find the documents during the raid, this will be milked to death by GOP and the trumpists until end of time.
Quite true.
Which is why I'm confident that they had good reasons to go in.

Whether the documents will contain what was expected is a different question.

Finding one that explains how Trump promised to hand over Ukraine provided Putin helped get him reelected would be a lot to hope for, I suppose. But I can dream, can't I?
Tom
I don't think the content of the documents matters... if Trump kept classified docs that were supposed to be returned, he's in trouble, even if the documents themselves don't have anything incriminating about Trump.
 

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I'll just say my governor is a moron and leave it at that.
He isn't a moron, he is a capable fascist... a Trump like mindset, but with political savvy.

Seems you and I have different usages for the word moron. A person who is smart enough to do the wrong thing in a way that they get away with or succeed at it is no less doing the wrong thing than someone dumb doing it and getting caught. And doing the wrong thing in and of itself is a stupid and moronic thing to do. Kapeesh?
Moron is someone that is stupid.

You seem to be conflating criminal and moron together. DeSantis is not stupid.

What I'm getting at is that it is correct to conflate what you know, with what you do as they are mutually inclusive. Desantis is neither smart on the know nor the do. In other words, he has information but fails to process it properly to draw the correct conclusions. As such that ultimately makes him stupid regardless of how intelligent he may appear to be to you and the world. they say Hitler was brilliant too ya know. He was dumb enough to use his "intelligence" for stupid reasons I guess.
 

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I'll just say my governor is a moron and leave it at that.
He isn't a moron, he is a capable fascist... a Trump like mindset, but with political savvy.

Seems you and I have different usages for the word moron. A person who is smart enough to do the wrong thing in a way that they get away with or succeed at it is no less doing the wrong thing than someone dumb doing it and getting caught. And doing the wrong thing in and of itself is a stupid and moronic thing to do. Kapeesh?
Moron is someone that is stupid.

You seem to be conflating criminal and moron together. DeSantis is not stupid.

So it's smart to be a facist?
There is Mussolini Fascist and then there is Nazi Fascist. The Nazis weren't the brightest, but they made Mussolini look like the blithering idiot he was. Trump is Mussolini, DeSantis is more Nazi.
 

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If the FBI didn't find the documents during the raid, this will be milked to death by GOP and the trumpists until end of time.
Quite true.
Which is why I'm confident that they had good reasons to go in.

Whether the documents will contain what was expected is a different question.

Finding one that explains how Trump promised to hand over Ukraine provided Putin helped get him reelected would be a lot to hope for, I suppose. But I can dream, can't I?
Tom
I don't think the content of the documents matters... if Trump kept classified docs that were supposed to be returned, he's in trouble, even if the documents themselves don't have anything incriminating about Trump.

I understand that.
The question becomes, "Why did Trump commit this crime?"

Maybe out of a simple sense of entitlement. "I can do whatever I want and nobody can stop me." That would be utterly Trumpish. Maybe he thought there was information damaging to his political future. Or, more likely, his financial interests.

Who knows?

Absconding with government documents seems like the tip of the iceberg to me.

Tom
 

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Awe look. My governor was wrong. But he was deliberately wrong so that makes him smart.
 

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Awe look. My governor was wrong. But he was deliberately wrong so that makes him smart.
Evil. He was not wrong he was evil. Evil always involves some kind of narcissistic blindness, but it can be surprisingly intelligent, even if something keeps the machine "strategically broken" with regards to ethics.

Technically it's not even blind. It's just purely solipsistic, which while less functional than being social, is a mode of thought that cannot be disproved absent the belief that there are other real people in existence, which is something that, while it can be reasonably surmised, is unprovable.
 

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Awe look. My governor was wrong. But he was deliberately wrong so that makes him smart.
Look at it this way.

Trump is a moron, or became a moron with age. He had a right-wing populist charisma that many liked. And he was able to energize it. Heck, managed to get them into attempting a minor coup. But it was all disjointed and messy.

Now imagine someone with political savvy, with a similar level of that charisma or alt-right authorita'. A person that could deftly manipulate people. I don't think DeSantis is a genius, but he very clearly is either the luckiest idiot ever, or he knows exactly what he is doing and should not be taken lightly.
 

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Evil always involves some kind of narcissistic blindness, but it can be surprisingly intelligent, even if something keeps the machine "strategically broken" with regards to ethics.

Is it intelligent to use your intelligence for evil? Take Mike Tyson for example. He was extremely intelligent at boxing in his prime. If he used his boxing intelligence for evil would that make him intelligent? Sure he has intelligent moves, but would randomly knocking out people on the streets make Mike intelligent?

Do you see the line yet?
 

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Awe look. My governor was wrong. But he was deliberately wrong so that makes him smart.
Evil. He was not wrong he was evil. Evil always involves some kind of narcissistic blindness, but it can be surprisingly intelligent, even if something keeps the machine "strategically broken" with regards to ethics.

Technically it's not even blind. It's just purely solipsistic, which while less functional than being social, is a mode of thought that cannot be disproved absent the belief that there are other real people in existence, which is something that, while it can be reasonably surmised, is unprovable.
What most people call "evil" is almost always a mix of fear and incompetence
 

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Awe look. My governor was wrong. But he was deliberately wrong so that makes him smart.
Look at it this way.

Trump is a moron, or became a moron with age. He had a right-wing populist charisma that many liked. And he was able to energize it. Heck, managed to get them into attempting a minor coup. But it was all disjointed and messy.

Now imagine someone with political savvy, with a similar level of that charisma or alt-right authorita'. A person that could deftly manipulate people. I don't think DeSantis is a genius, but he very clearly is either the luckiest idiot ever, or he knows exactly what he is doing and should not be taken lightly.

Look at it this way, a stupid person herd other stupid people like sheep into a group that becomes large enough to scare, intimidate and at times kill members of the intelligent group.

I don't buy the whole Hitler was intelligent nonsense. Many people are capable of retaining the same info as he yet use it for a better reason than some weird ass supreme race shit. He could have used his intelligence for anything else. DeSantis being similar but smarter than trump is not the alarm. Never will be, and never was the case for any Empire that succeeded in doing what Hitler attempted to do. The actual problem is a large group of stupid people that anyone (smart or not) can easily acquire to do their bidding. It's never just that one person either. It's usually some archaic interest group that does all the heavy lifting using a figure head for example Trump (Just look at his cabinet picks), Hitler (Anton Drexler & Erich Ludendorff) and Ganges Khan (leaders of the nomadic tribes) to rally cry.

Hitler wasn't all that intelligent (he believed in white supremacy which is just as stupid to me as the flat earth theory), it's just a large part of the population was stupid enough to believe him, So yeah, lets keep focusing on how much of a threat the intelligence of a stupid fascists is.
 

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So how much grandstanding over Clinton's email server... and whether it was secure, and we have the same people (or brand) demanding Garland resign over the FBI removing classified documents Trump had no right to have, from a room in his Florida golf course hotel, that wasn't even locked until they were told to secure it?!
 

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It's useless. They'll just see the democrats as hypocrites.
 

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Evil always involves some kind of narcissistic blindness, but it can be surprisingly intelligent, even if something keeps the machine "strategically broken" with regards to ethics.

Is it intelligent to use your intelligence for evil? Take Mike Tyson for example. He was extremely intelligent at boxing in his prime. If he used his boxing intelligence for evil would that make him intelligent? Sure he has intelligent moves, but would randomly knocking out people on the streets make Mike intelligent?

Do you see the line yet?
It is pleasurable to use intelligence for evil, for some. Some people are willing to make other people pay the consequences for their pleasure, and are willing to knowingly gamble on the odds of getting caught. Or to skill-play it.

This doesn't make them unintelligent. It just makes them evil. It is their decision that their goals are attainable without needing a long future.
 

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Talking heads are saying this is good news for Trump, that he was hoping for this! Campaign donations have been slow; this should perk them up. If the only crime is misplacing documents — comparable perhaps to an overdue library book — DoJ and the Ds will look like vindictive prigs and Trump's re-election chance will soar.

And if there were an incriminating document, might not Trump have been smart enough to burn it or hide it? How much evidence is needed anyway? To me, he's already clearly guilty of treason and other felonies, but QOPAnoners don't care.

At first the search warrant seemed like happy news, but I'm not optimistic. Only a dead teen-age girl could sway the base and I didn't hear that the FBI was digging up the grounds at Mar-a-Lago.
 

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Evil always involves some kind of narcissistic blindness, but it can be surprisingly intelligent, even if something keeps the machine "strategically broken" with regards to ethics.

Is it intelligent to use your intelligence for evil? Take Mike Tyson for example. He was extremely intelligent at boxing in his prime. If he used his boxing intelligence for evil would that make him intelligent? Sure he has intelligent moves, but would randomly knocking out people on the streets make Mike intelligent?

Do you see the line yet?
It is pleasurable to use intelligence for evil, for some. Some people are willing to make other people pay the consequences for their pleasure, and are willing to knowingly gamble on the odds of getting caught. Or to skill-play it.

This doesn't make them unintelligent. It just makes them evil. It is their decision that their goals are attainable without needing a long future.

Using your ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills for evil because it gets your dick hard is in fact, not showing careful thought or good judgment. These "some" individuals don't cancel out other individuals. When the use of your intelligence affects other people negatively (especially when deliberate) then those people who are negatively impacted by your actions can factually call you stupid.
 
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