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Can this be overturned by a higher court, that also has the power to remove her from the case entirely? I'll be watching LegalEagle youtube channel since he covers a lot of this.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Judge Cannon has got to be the worst judge ever to make the Federal bench. And I must warn you, I have no idea what I'm talking about. :D

Regardless, after she got humiliated by the Appellate Court, one would think she'd shy away from grandiose rulings. Is she even able to make this ruling? It isn't as if this is some Ken Starr investigation that after 36 months they found Trump had a document in his possession illegally.

If SCOTUS allows this to stand, it might be time to leave.
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In a ruling Monday, Cannon said the appointment of special counsel Jack Smith violated the Constitution.

“In the end, it seems the Executive’s growing comfort in appointing ‘regulatory’ special counsels in the more recent era has followed an ad hoc pattern with little judicial scrutiny,” Cannon wrote.
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What I don't get is that SCOTUS kind of gave the Exec Branch a Star Power powerup. And now she rules they don't have power.
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Obviously hoping that if Trump wins she will be overturned, and if not, then not.
 
Spacetime Inhabitant said:
Surely this should provide the circuit court cause to dismiss her as the judge. Alternately, she has basically ended the case, so the charges can be brought again with a different judge.
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I think that the latter is exactly what will happen. Right now, she has ended her association with the case. Smith should have tried to get her removed in the first place. It became increasingly obvious that she was shilling for Donald Trump, and this preposterous dismissal confirms it. The classified documents case was by far the strongest criminal case against Trump. For the courts to allow this to stand would put all special counsel appointments in jeopardy and make a mockery of our justice system. I really hope that she can be impeached and removed someday. Obviously, that won't happen while Republicans hold such power in the Senate.

It is possible that this dismissal will help Biden, because people will feel even less secure that the legal system can serve as a check on presidents. Loss of democracy and growing authoritarianism is one of the fears that drives support away from Republican candidates. I'm not optimistic, but I'll grasp at straws now. Our system of government is looking really shaky.
 
Can the case be re-filed in another district, like in DC, to avoid Cannon's name getting drawn again?

Will they need to get a senate-approved prosecutor to avoid another dismissal over questions about special prosecutors?
 
I don't think that anyone but Clarence Thomas and Aileen Cannon thinks that Jack Smith's appointment was unconstitutional, but that issue may now have to be reviewed by the Supreme Court. It will take the DoJ a while to figure out how to react. Garland is known for being slow and cautious about everything he does. I hope I live long enough to see justice done in this case.
 
Copernicus said:
It will take the DoJ a while to figure out how to react. Garland is known for being slow and cautious about everything he does. I hope I live long enough to see justice done in this case.
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Maybe you'll live long enough, if you're like, 12.
Appeal to the 11th circuit - they will probably hear (and overturn) it in good time. I don't know if there are further intermediate steps before it gets to SCOTUS, but it ends up there well after the election and if Trump hasn't further corrupted the court by then, the overturned Cannon decision will remain overturned. And if Trump wins or cheats his way into the WH it won't matter one bit because Cheato will instruct "HIS" DOJ (since he will be the de facto Atty General as well as President) to dismiss it and every other result of his criminal history. Then, there is approximately zero chance that you or anyone else will live to see justice done unless the next 20 yr old psycho has better aim.
 
Here comes the Constitution said:
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
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Has congress at some time vested this power to the president? I would think so given all the special counsels we've had in the past.
 
I gave up on the documents case a long time ago. We knew that Cannon was an incompetent ideologue and we know there's no bottom to what right wing authoritarian followers are willing to do in order to usurp power over our country. We have learned that lesson over and over and each time we think, that's got to be the bottom. Surely they have some self preservation impetus, right? Turns out they do, but they believe they will be better off through violence, cheating, lying, and abuse of power, so any actual danger to them is just not getting to them through the wall of tribalism and zealotry. I believe that a lot of corrupt Republicans are convinced that they shall be rewarded for taking pivotal roles in stealing a whole country "for God." (Religion is so fucking handy and useful to conmen!)

I am guilty of both needless outrage and the failure to understand that anything that looks like the end of the corrupt GOP and its supporters is actually not. I should have learned this in the 90s when I was following critics of scientology on usenet. I thought when Arnie Lerma created the group alt.religion.scientology that the cult would surely crumble. I thought when Anonymous went after scientology that would be it but all they ended up doing was mainly scaring cult employees. They did elevate the cause somewhat, but otherwise, pffth. And all throughout the Trump era, it's been one step down after another, and I kept thinking it was the bottom step. But there literally is no bottom for right wing authoritarianism. It's all about seizing power with zero conscience involved no matter how depraved the acts.

But whatever happens with the documents case, this particular abuse of power changes nothing for the election or the fate of our country. So I just want my fellow infidels to please take care of your cardiovascular system and self regulate and be willing to let some things go without a reaction. I feel like this case, even though it is as egregious as it gets, is one of those that we can set aside in terms of reactions.

Not to say that we shouldn't talk about it, and there's no particular people here that I'm thinking about beyond myself, but I think it's worth sharing the idea. Not everyone has someone to remind them to check themselves before they go down a rabbit hole or waste their personal power or react emotionally to things that don't change anything for the bigger picture of preserving our democracy.
 
Angry Floof said:
I gave up on the documents case a long time ago. We knew that Cannon was an incompetent ideologue and we know there's no bottom to what right wing authoritarian followers are willing to do in order to usurp power over our country.
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I was stunned but not totally surprised by her ruling. What bothers me is that it got to this point. It was painfully obvious that she was dragging her feet AND incompetent, yet Jack Smith - allegedly a very good prosecutor - only appealed to the 11th Circuit one time. She intercoursed the poodle over and over again, but he did nothing. And as to the DoJ moving forward, Garland makes Cannon look like a speed demon when it comes to moving cases along. I have no faith that Jack Smith will challenge this ruling. He should, but he hasn't shown a willingness to stand up to Cannon except for that one time.
 
Jesus Christ is our boy on a roll. Who in the history of mankind has ever had this kind of lucky streak? When he steps out on the Convention stage, he'll look like he's just chugged 10 Red Bulls in a row. I expect him not just to body hug the flag, but to actually fuck it. And the conventioneers will cheer, too.
My prediction for the rest of Trump's July, based on how the first half has gone:
July 17 (Wed.) - SCOTUS hands down a per curiam ruling that E. Jean Carroll owes Trump $83,300, 000.01, for "emotional distress to Melanoma, or however you spell her name."
July 21 (Sun.) - Vatican awards honorary Pope status to Trump, along with honorary salvation, which includes the Pope's personal silver passkey to the Gates of Heaven and exclusive rights to develop the Heavenly Back Forty as a resort
July 23 (Tues.) - Mexico issues a mea culpa with the signatures of all Mexican citizens that, quote, "Nosotros realmente somos narcotraficantes y violadores, y realmente hemos tratado de envenenar tu sangre. Lo siento mucho! Viva Trumpo!" (We really are drug dealers and rapists and we really have been trying to poison your blood. Sorry. Hurray for Trump!")
July 24 (Wed.) - Nobel committee issues Trump a Nobel Prize in a new category, The Stable Genius Nobel, because, quote, "Py yiminy, ve joost cannot resist dis great big orange American. He is joost da cat's pajammers!"
July 26 (Fri.) - Supreme Court issues a check for $10 million to Trump's wife, for causing her distress by misspelling her name in the previous ruling.
July 27 (Sat.) - People Magazine's latest issue has Trump on the cover as The Century's Sexiest Man Alive. Inside, the magazine's first nude centerfold ever, "simply because America asked for it, and America shall have it."
July 29 (Mon.) - DNC announces that Trump wins the 2024 election because, "Fuck it."
July 30 (Tues.) - Int'l Court of Justice, the Hague, announces that Trump is the official Emperor of Earth, and issues him a gold fez, gold sash, solid gold sword, and matching pistol (the pistol to be presented to him when his probation status is cleared up.)

Donald Trump, the most perfect being who ever drew breath on this earth. All that remains would be a sandwich at Wendys named for him, a duet session with Taylor Swift, Trump as the fifth head on Mount Rushmore, and the Baptist Convention to name Trump as the Presumptive Second Coming of Our Lord and Savior.
 
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