Medicine Man
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.....And, you were (simply) in too-much a hurry, to do so.....to read what was posted, earlier, right??
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Recently Medicine Man I was pulled over and given a ticket for possession of a controlled substance less than 1 gram.
I went to court and got 407 probation, which means I'm held responsible for the first ticket, next time i get a ticket. After a year, this 407 probation period will end - so if I get another ticket I can start a clean probation period.
If you only get busted once a year, all you have to do is sign a paper and leave.. I paid no court costs either. Basically
Many, many people smoke pot in my area, and they would have to build some more prisons without 407 probation. They would have to turn the University dorm into a maximum security prison if they gave two shits about weed around here.
Seems like 407 probation is a way of saying yes go ahead and smoke pot but only get one ticket a year. They're trying to keep methlabs and shootouts to a minimum and they fail miserably. They don't have time to bust potheads unless there is a big payoff. Like thousands of lbs. Otherwise they don't care. Keeping pot illegal is just for show in WV, as I see it.
But if you're black with an out of state I.D, beware. They will murder you in their jail before you make bond straight up.
I went to court and got 407 probation, which means I'm held responsible for the first ticket, next time i get a ticket. After a year, this 407 probation period will end - so if I get another ticket I can start a clean probation period.
If you only get busted once a year, all you have to do is sign a paper and leave.. I paid no court costs either. Basically
Many, many people smoke pot in my area, and they would have to build some more prisons without 407 probation. They would have to turn the University dorm into a maximum security prison if they gave two shits about weed around here.
Seems like 407 probation is a way of saying yes go ahead and smoke pot but only get one ticket a year. They're trying to keep methlabs and shootouts to a minimum and they fail miserably. They don't have time to bust potheads unless there is a big payoff. Like thousands of lbs. Otherwise they don't care. Keeping pot illegal is just for show in WV, as I see it.
But if you're black with an out of state I.D, beware. They will murder you in their jail before you make bond straight up.
First, medicine man I ignore pretty much everything you post because your text is formatted in obnoxious 90's webpage typography. I pretend you do not exist and you are in fact one of the reasons that i and perhaps others have stopped participating here. you might as well assume everything have posted is being blocked by a spam filter; the result is essentially the same. I am pretty sure this is exactly the second post of yours I haven't intentionally not read. Further, HighTimes is hardly an unbiased source; much like erowid, the people running it wear plainly on their sleeves that they have an agenda, notably to have 'high times'. As far as erowid is concerned, you could just check heir 'about' page.
Perhaps if you posted normal text in normal ways, I would be able to read your posts without having flashbacks to the years I as in highschool and the terrible web pages of that era.
Perhaps if you posted normal text in normal ways, I would be able to read your posts without having flashbacks to the years I as in highschool and the terrible web pages of that era.
Medicine Man
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Don't trust those people over at erowid. The authors they add to vaults are giving false information. I consider it drug fiction but that has a lot of value as well, so whatever. The only real agenda on erowid is getting your trip story published. erowid do give drugs a crappy image though. Bad.
Speaking of High Times, that magazine is caustic to legalization efforts. Just look at it. On the shelf at the gas station, elderly voters see a deranged idiot with buds lost in his dreadlocks. That, and whatever the the news tells them is their impression of pot culture. And their Grandkids stealing from them for pot of course. Because it is illegal...
NORML cleaned up it's image. Notice that? Search images and spokesmen now. In 2002 it looked a lot seedier. Good job but they still need to shut up. A little bit stupid. And the website has some really shitty pop-ups that delegitimize any truth said on the main page. One statistic they have on NORML's site is that only 13% of Americans smoke pot. I think they meant 31% but irresponsibly smoking pot while working cases typos.
Question: Do you think pot is a gateway drug because it is illegal?
Marijuana Policy Project is what really changed the game.
Medicine Man
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oooooooooooooooooooo.....geeeeeeeeeeeeee.....whatta convincing argument....especially when you provide zero-evidence o' your accusations.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm
There should be some debate about the names of Marijuana strains, if MPP gets up to it. Marijuana isn't crayons. People incapable of even drawing a smiley face on their roachy walls with broken crayons are cursing us all with their jukey little strain names. Why.
Numbers work. Name strains like they're stars. Be grown up about it. Know what I mean? If the name of your drug horrifies you, it won't work as well. So there is that to consider, and also scaring voters with these ridiculous and unnecessary titles.
Nobody needs evidence that erowid is anything more than fiction man. It is entertainment that gets people killed, If you really want to know my opinion. It shouldn't be there, accessible for children.
I've got vaulted stories that were only added because they were interesting. All fiction. All harmful, because it is a public website.
Numbers work. Name strains like they're stars. Be grown up about it. Know what I mean? If the name of your drug horrifies you, it won't work as well. So there is that to consider, and also scaring voters with these ridiculous and unnecessary titles.
Nobody needs evidence that erowid is anything more than fiction man. It is entertainment that gets people killed, If you really want to know my opinion. It shouldn't be there, accessible for children.
I've got vaulted stories that were only added because they were interesting. All fiction. All harmful, because it is a public website.
Medicine Man
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Just assume you're right. Erowid should be an app on every kid's phone because it isn't completely occultish and unfactual. It is so good for people. Alrighty that is settled then. But there is the problem with image at least. They don't bombard you with images on there unless you want to see them, so that is good. The imagery in the experience reports though. That may be a problem. The people making the reports are evil, and/or insane. Bad people to seek drug advice from. VERY bad for the image of dedicated drug users who give it 110% and strive to be better human beings without pissing into a burning goat skull during a bestial orgy. We're spared no imagery when we read that stuff. Like I said. Image. They make drugs scary on that website. They should be, but not in that kind of way.
I don't like the idea of a gigantic psychedelic bible full of bullshit available for children to open 24/7. The guidance it gives is shaky and it doesn't do experimentors any favors. When it comes to psychedelic drugs, reading those reports beforehand taints your own experience, so the purpose of the psychedelics vaults is for entertainment only. Totally backwards. I don't know how to do chemistry but I'm sure there are at least a few typos on there that have caused explosions, overdoses, public freakouts and institutionalizations. Even deaths. The formulas and advice are untrustworthy, and the rest of the material on the site is available elsewhere. Links galore, and most are legit. True. But the core of the site is just icky.
Go on erowid and look around at the so called psychonaut data. It is great to have such a large platform for that, but it is draped in occultism. There is too much personal bias. They can't just be factual. Most authors are into some extremely creepy shit that they drag into their reports. I'd love to see something more scientifically based. The nature of some drugs makes that impossible but it would be something good for the world, if actual psychedelic research were being done out in the open. But that would make too much sense so nah.
The end of erowid you referenced is probably factual because it is general knowledge anyway. The legitimacy of your link and that of my comment about erowid being a cancer to the internet are neigher here nor there. But the fact does remain that a big portion of erowid's material is potentially life threatening if taken as anything other than fiction.
It wouldn't be so bad if erowid wasn't so huge. You don't need erowid teaching kids ANYTHING, but they are definitely going to learn because it is as easy to access as an episode of Future Worm on Cartoon Network's website. That isn't Okay with me.
They should stop being satanic bastards who make drugs look creepy, and remodel things to more scientific standards, with higher restictions on who gets to say what, and who gets to view it. The world gets a little shittier every time someone believes what they read on erowid. I can say that about oh so many virtual things but erowid is a special kind of evil because when it comes to drugs, people can be a little loopy. The fragility of people in drug culture can't be underestimated, and I don't think erowid underestimates it one bit. They profit from it and they use it to spread disease, so nah no thank you on the erowid issue.
Can you answer something rite quick?> Do you think Marijuana is a gateway drug because it is illegal? Nice weed talk? No?
I don't like the idea of a gigantic psychedelic bible full of bullshit available for children to open 24/7. The guidance it gives is shaky and it doesn't do experimentors any favors. When it comes to psychedelic drugs, reading those reports beforehand taints your own experience, so the purpose of the psychedelics vaults is for entertainment only. Totally backwards. I don't know how to do chemistry but I'm sure there are at least a few typos on there that have caused explosions, overdoses, public freakouts and institutionalizations. Even deaths. The formulas and advice are untrustworthy, and the rest of the material on the site is available elsewhere. Links galore, and most are legit. True. But the core of the site is just icky.
Go on erowid and look around at the so called psychonaut data. It is great to have such a large platform for that, but it is draped in occultism. There is too much personal bias. They can't just be factual. Most authors are into some extremely creepy shit that they drag into their reports. I'd love to see something more scientifically based. The nature of some drugs makes that impossible but it would be something good for the world, if actual psychedelic research were being done out in the open. But that would make too much sense so nah.
The end of erowid you referenced is probably factual because it is general knowledge anyway. The legitimacy of your link and that of my comment about erowid being a cancer to the internet are neigher here nor there. But the fact does remain that a big portion of erowid's material is potentially life threatening if taken as anything other than fiction.
It wouldn't be so bad if erowid wasn't so huge. You don't need erowid teaching kids ANYTHING, but they are definitely going to learn because it is as easy to access as an episode of Future Worm on Cartoon Network's website. That isn't Okay with me.
They should stop being satanic bastards who make drugs look creepy, and remodel things to more scientific standards, with higher restictions on who gets to say what, and who gets to view it. The world gets a little shittier every time someone believes what they read on erowid. I can say that about oh so many virtual things but erowid is a special kind of evil because when it comes to drugs, people can be a little loopy. The fragility of people in drug culture can't be underestimated, and I don't think erowid underestimates it one bit. They profit from it and they use it to spread disease, so nah no thank you on the erowid issue.
Can you answer something rite quick?> Do you think Marijuana is a gateway drug because it is illegal? Nice weed talk? No?
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To be fair, they provide a good starting point for harvesting questions to ask from more reputable sources. When I started with MDMA, it WAS the first hint I found that there were precautions to be taken, even though the data at Erowid scoffed at reports on the dangers of its oxidative effects and Magnesium depletion. I looked it up with many other sources and because of the breadcrumb trail starting there I have had many positive and life changing expexperies, however with only the data on Erowid would have had me burning out my brain.
As far as LSD goes, just read the stories and you'll understand, provided you've ever actually used the stuff.
And the advice about coke or heroin or meth seriously downplays their addictive potential. In my journeys involving drugs and seeking to use tem responsibly even Reddit has been more reliable.
Same here. When I was on paper and unable to use conventional illegal drugs, I sought out advice from erowid. Drugs that can't be detected are safer than "hard" drugs, right? First thing I tried was Datura. I did it exactly the way the authors suggested. It didn't turn out well. Another young man I knew disappeared while taking Datura and no one has heard from him since. It took months to even remember my family in the same way. The deliriant vaults are probably the most dangerous.
Next I tried the wacky stuff. Burying battery acid in jars with various things mixed in. coming back a month later and smoking the foamy stuff that built up. Just a bad idea in the first place - and my responsibility of course... but where did I get the ideas? Why were they so easy to get?
Hallucinogen gobbling people are usually very dedicated to making everyone else feel like they do. They can't help it. They will mail you the stuff, just to feel like the guru they long to be. Chatting with them was how I figured out a safe regimen. Good people with good intentions (for themselves) aimed at you. Yahoo was where I met my guides. Trust in people's need to show you that they know things you don't. Know what I mean? Especially with trip drugs huh. Psychedelics are free if you meet the right people lol
If I continued to believe erowid, I'd be dead. Brain dead at least. My body may have survived.
I consider erowid a form of pornography for me now. That is all it is. I love strange drug stories. How groups act on acid and etc. What music to play. Why and when. All that stuff is total porn to me. Really neat stuff. So don't get me wrong, the place is a treasure in that way. The site is invaluable for education but not advice on experimentation. I requested that my stories move to the "train wreck" vault, and they eventually were. Nobody needs drug advice from me when I was 25. I sleep better knowing that I'm not inadvertently murdering children.
Question: Do you think Marijuana is a gateway drug because it is illegal?
Next I tried the wacky stuff. Burying battery acid in jars with various things mixed in. coming back a month later and smoking the foamy stuff that built up. Just a bad idea in the first place - and my responsibility of course... but where did I get the ideas? Why were they so easy to get?
Hallucinogen gobbling people are usually very dedicated to making everyone else feel like they do. They can't help it. They will mail you the stuff, just to feel like the guru they long to be. Chatting with them was how I figured out a safe regimen. Good people with good intentions (for themselves) aimed at you. Yahoo was where I met my guides. Trust in people's need to show you that they know things you don't. Know what I mean? Especially with trip drugs huh. Psychedelics are free if you meet the right people lol
If I continued to believe erowid, I'd be dead. Brain dead at least. My body may have survived.
I consider erowid a form of pornography for me now. That is all it is. I love strange drug stories. How groups act on acid and etc. What music to play. Why and when. All that stuff is total porn to me. Really neat stuff. So don't get me wrong, the place is a treasure in that way. The site is invaluable for education but not advice on experimentation. I requested that my stories move to the "train wreck" vault, and they eventually were. Nobody needs drug advice from me when I was 25. I sleep better knowing that I'm not inadvertently murdering children.
Question: Do you think Marijuana is a gateway drug because it is illegal?
Ah, THC and the 'gateway experience'... That is a very complex discussion. Weed was my first drug, before even alcohol. I have used many drugs: salvia, shrooms, LSD, nutmeg, MDMA, Ketamine, Alcohol, THC in many permutations (different kinds of marijuana have radically different effects). In this way, THC was the first easy sojourn into the world of chemical self exploration. It told me my parents, teachers, and government had lied horribly, and that all their information was at least suspect as to the dangers of drug use. But the gateway wasn't the weed, it was the revaluation that I had been lied to.
Weed isn't a gateway drug because it is illegal. It is a gateway drug because of the lies that are told about it, and because it is 'drugs', just as LSD et all are 'drugs'.
If we wanted to keep kids safe we would stop lying to them. e would tell them the naked truth about each drug, instead of just lumping them into a broad category of 'drugs' which are all as a unit 'bad'. And when that lie is exposed they all be come 'good maybe', and then next thing you know they are trying meth or snorting coke.
As to the hallucinogenic apologists, I can see exactly what you are talking about. I have to be careful to not preach that gospel, myself.
As it is, I learned something about myself and the world from every drug I have ever used, usually on a per-use basis. By far, LSD is my favorite, though.
Yes they lump illegal drugs together and suddenly they're all the same level of bad. So it becomes logical to get to LSD from weed. Plus you're at a drug dealer's house getting weed already... why not get some acid? All drugs are illegal and bad, so they are all equally as harmful, kids think. Once they try weed, they're like, well that wasn't so bad.
The LIE is the biggest problem with drugs in America, huh. Id say control, money and whatnot are behind it. But I don't know now. It would seem that legalizing weed would make more money than it loses. I'm thinking that maybe people just aren't supposed to be happy. Like, too much happiness will screw something up.
And yeah it is very hard to avoid the Gospel when it comes to hallucinogens. The entire point is changing reality for yourself, and if you're successful, you MUST tell others. Otherwise nothing has changed at all. Strange.
As far as I've been able to understand, we, being apes, have many artifacts of our historic Darwinian nature. This means that fun is, in our intuitions, equal to sex. Enjoyment was a zero sum game when our brains evolved, and having that enjoyment and drug correlated 1:1 with evolutionary success. Because Darwinian evolution is also a zero sum game (their failure means your success) gatekeeping the enjoyment of others was a valid strategy, so of course any mutation that contributed to or resulted in such a behavior was selected for. And so we, without knowing why, disdain drug use in others, and exclude our own chosen drug use arbitrarily from our models. Or we feel guilty. Or whatever. I'm just some dumb ape.
Right? Didn't our brains evolve to utilize entheogens in our environment? It isn't such a foreign thing to do a drug that is already in your brain before you do it lol. Plus I believe (from what I've read) that psychedelics were what MADE us what we are today. Because of famine making people eat strange things and whatnot. I wonder sometimes if that was a good thing.
I'm not much for evolution being where I'm from, but once my ancestors were here (from God, inconceivable technology, alien life or pure imagination), they were aided by plants to evolve mentally. That part of evolution does make sense.
I love the term "plant allies", coined by Jonathan Ott. I read something of his once and it took my partying habits into a totally different direction. More superfluous writing on the subject doesn't appeal to me. Like McKenna. I can't get into his stuff anymore because it is more poetry than research, if you know what I mean. McKenna's words have been ridiculously distorted since his death anyway. The only thing I still read occasionally is The Archaic Revival which you're probably familiar with. I do think there should be a movie made about True Hallucinations. That is a story that would be told best with cinema. What happened to His brother Dennis in the Amazon is so bizarre that it has to be true, and it must be shared with more of the world.
Dennis McKenna is actually better at science than Terrence was. Better writer, too. Dennis McKenna wrote a guide on mushroom growing in the 70's or early 80's. The first chapter was from the viewpoint of a psychedelic mushroom. Like an alien addressing the world after thousands of years of guiding it. "I am old. Older than thought in your species." Coolest into ever.
I'm not much for evolution being where I'm from, but once my ancestors were here (from God, inconceivable technology, alien life or pure imagination), they were aided by plants to evolve mentally. That part of evolution does make sense.
I love the term "plant allies", coined by Jonathan Ott. I read something of his once and it took my partying habits into a totally different direction. More superfluous writing on the subject doesn't appeal to me. Like McKenna. I can't get into his stuff anymore because it is more poetry than research, if you know what I mean. McKenna's words have been ridiculously distorted since his death anyway. The only thing I still read occasionally is The Archaic Revival which you're probably familiar with. I do think there should be a movie made about True Hallucinations. That is a story that would be told best with cinema. What happened to His brother Dennis in the Amazon is so bizarre that it has to be true, and it must be shared with more of the world.
Dennis McKenna is actually better at science than Terrence was. Better writer, too. Dennis McKenna wrote a guide on mushroom growing in the 70's or early 80's. The first chapter was from the viewpoint of a psychedelic mushroom. Like an alien addressing the world after thousands of years of guiding it. "I am old. Older than thought in your species." Coolest into ever.
Elixir
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Not always, or even usually. Symbiosis is a huge part of sustaining niches. Ask a cow or a chicken!
And extinction happens to even the most "successful" species.
Of course in the very very long run, yes - it's zero-sum because organic life forms eventually revert to their constituent atomic elements... but while in operation in nature, "your success" doesn't necessarily mean the failure of another extant form.
The struggle for existence is one of the primary elements of evolution. While Darwin put it best, I'll do my best to paraphrase: everything strives it's best to reproduce as much as it can. If you can have more kids than your neighbor,it is your DNA that prevails among the species. Whole species exist where the most prominent and expensive features of their bodies exist solely for cockblocking their own species. Your DNA's success is very much predicated on the idea that it is you getting laid, and your continued success is assisted in no small way by your competition not getting laid.
It is not that I think his behavior is adaptive among humans, just that it is an artifact of a time when it was, and that our recent history has done little to weed it out because we had no way of knowing that we ought.
Elixir
Made in America
Existence isn't the same thing as reproduction. When two species compete for the same resources in the same niche, there is often only one (reproductive) winner. But that does not describe most inter-species relationships. Sometimes also, the "winning" species gets the resource initially in contest, and the "losing" species evolves to capitalize on other resources within that niche, or the niche itself changes (sometimes in response to the influence of the "winning" species) in ways that creates new resources that the "loser" is able to utilize to further its own reproduction. But eventually winners and losers die out, so in that sense it is indeed a zero-sum game.
Evolution happens to populations, not to individuals.
Tell that to the Hippopotamus. Or the lion. Or the Humpback whale. Or any of a wide array of gorillas. Or any of the other species whose males attack any other male they come across, particularly when they approach the females they have 'claimed'.