Maryland cop charged with murder after shooting handcuffed man, police chief says

[PyramidHead]

So handcuffed, behind his back, and buckled into his seat? What could the guy possibly have done that would have made pulling out a weapon in the car a protective maneuver? It would seem getting out of the car could have been quicker and safer.

Does Derec know officer Owen is black ?

Oh goody... haters of "identity politics" bringing identity into a conversation.

The appropriate response to the fact that Owen is black is to concede that the institution of law enforcement in America is the problem, not the racist culture it sometimes attracts. But the actual response will be to assume that, since racism can be ruled out, this guy must just be a Bad Apple with no implications about police as a whole. Identity can and does obscure problems that don't boil down to identity, i.e. class

 

[Politesse]

The appropriate response to the fact that Owen is black is to concede that the institution of law enforcement in America is the problem, not the racist culture it sometimes attracts.

Only if one stupidly assumes that only whites can participate in inherently racist institutions.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The appropriate response to the fact that Owen is black is to concede that the institution of law enforcement in America is the problem, not the racist culture it sometimes attracts.

Only if one stupidly assumes that only whites can participate in inherently racist institutions.

I agree.

Did anyone forget musician slave called Fiddler in Roots whipping Kunta Kinte?

 

[PyramidHead]

The appropriate response to the fact that Owen is black is to concede that the institution of law enforcement in America is the problem, not the racist culture it sometimes attracts.

Only if one stupidly assumes that only whites can participate in inherently racist institutions.

You improved upon my point, thank you.

 

[Worldtraveller]

I'm just glad that a cop was actually charged for a change.

 

[Derec]

Only if one stupidly assumes that only whites can participate in inherently racist institutions.

That is of course not true. Plenty of blacks participate in inherently racist institutions. For example Nation of Islam is such an institution. Government of South Africa, with its plan to expropriate (i.e. steal from) white citizens of South Africa, is another.

 

[Derec]

I'm just glad that a cop was actually charged for a change.

What do you mean "for a change". Many cops have been charged when they have shot a suspect. Most deserved it, but occasionally there have been indictments when the officer did nothing wrong.

 

[Derec]

I think it is interesting that some people are always certain that the police/prosecutors never ever arrest or bring charges against someone unless they are guilty

Who are those "some people"? I have certainly never seen that opinion expressed on here.

But cannot conceive of a police officer being guilty of charges brought against him by the same police/prosecutors.

It is certainly possible that Owen is guilty. But it is also possible he is innocent.
In any case it is inappropriate for the police chief to bring charges before not even a cursory investigation could be done.

 

[Derec]

Interestingly, in cases where the roles are reversed (civilian injures/shoots a police officer), you advocate for the police to do their job by quickly charging the alleged assailant.

In all cases I advocate for police to investigate. But the two situations are not at all analogous.
It is the job of a police officers to detain and arrest suspects, especially violent ones. Occasionally, that task leads to the suspect being shot.
It is NOT the job of civilians to try to detain police officers. Therefore, the situation where a civilians shoots a police officers is not analogous to the reverse.

 

[laughing dog]

Interestingly, in cases where the roles are reversed (civilian injures/shoots a police officer), you advocate for the police to do their job by quickly charging the alleged assailant.

In all cases I advocate for police to investigate. But the two situations are not at all analogous.
It is the job of a police officers to detain and arrest suspects, especially violent ones. Occasionally, that task leads to the suspect being shot.
It is NOT the job of civilians to try to detain police officers. Therefore, the situation where a civilians shoots a police officers is not analogous to the reverse.

In both instances, it is the job of the police to investigate and to make arrests if warranted. When a civilian attacks a police officer, you carp about any lack of immediate charges. When this police officer attacked a civilian, you carp about the immediacy of the charge.

 

[Jarhyn]

Interestingly, in cases where the roles are reversed (civilian injures/shoots a police officer), you advocate for the police to do their job by quickly charging the alleged assailant.

In all cases I advocate for police to investigate. But the two situations are not at all analogous.
It is the job of a police officers to detain and arrest suspects, especially violent ones. Occasionally, that task leads to the suspect being shot.
It is NOT the job of civilians to try to detain police officers. Therefore, the situation where a civilians shoots a police officers is not analogous to the reverse.

In both instances, it is the job of the police to investigate and to make arrests if warranted. When a civilian attacks a police officer, you carp about any lack of immediate charges. When this police officer attacked a civilian, you carp about the immediacy of the charge.

To be fair, usually in the latter case it's only when the victim is black. They have nothing to say when it's a white person, perhaps because for some reason, their preferred media sources don't ever actually report about white criminals, of which there are many.

 

[Toni]

I think it is interesting that some people are always certain that the police/prosecutors never ever arrest or bring charges against someone unless they are guilty

Who are those "some people"? I have certainly never seen that opinion expressed on here.

But you're sure trying to jam your foot into that shoe, aren't you?

But cannot conceive of a police officer being guilty of charges brought against him by the same police/prosecutors.

It is certainly possible that Owen is guilty. But it is also possible he is innocent.
In any case it is inappropriate for the police chief to bring charges before not even a cursory investigation could be done.

Why do you think that no investigation was conducted? What kind of investigation would you have demanded if it were simply 3 individuals, one of whom shot one of the two guys who tied him up and stuffed him into a car? How many days delay would you have called out for?

In this case, there was one living eye witness to any crime that may or may not have been committed.

There is zero reason to believe that the entire body of evidence has been published in any news outlet. Nor should it be at this point.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But you're sure trying to jam your foot into that shoe, aren't you?

But cannot conceive of a police officer being guilty of charges brought against him by the same police/prosecutors.

It is certainly possible that Owen is guilty. But it is also possible he is innocent.
In any case it is inappropriate for the police chief to bring charges before not even a cursory investigation could be done.

Why do you think that no investigation was conducted? What kind of investigation would you have demanded if it were simply 3 individuals, one of whom shot one of the two guys who tied him up and stuffed him into a car? How many days delay would you have called out for?

In this case, there was one living eye witness to any crime that may or may not have been committed.

There is zero reason to believe that the entire body of evidence has been published in any news outlet. Nor should it be at this point.

These days it's accuse first, investigate second.

 

[laughing dog]

But you're sure trying to jam your foot into that shoe, aren't you?



Why do you think that no investigation was conducted? What kind of investigation would you have demanded if it were simply 3 individuals, one of whom shot one of the two guys who tied him up and stuffed him into a car? How many days delay would you have called out for?

In this case, there was one living eye witness to any crime that may or may not have been committed.

There is zero reason to believe that the entire body of evidence has been published in any news outlet. Nor should it be at this point.

These days it's accuse first, investigate second.

That is an opinion, not fact.

 

[Toni]

But you're sure trying to jam your foot into that shoe, aren't you?



Why do you think that no investigation was conducted? What kind of investigation would you have demanded if it were simply 3 individuals, one of whom shot one of the two guys who tied him up and stuffed him into a car? How many days delay would you have called out for?

In this case, there was one living eye witness to any crime that may or may not have been committed.

There is zero reason to believe that the entire body of evidence has been published in any news outlet. Nor should it be at this point.

These days it's accuse first, investigate second.

That is an opinion, not fact.

No, it's an assumption based on love of authority. It's much easier to assume that the police never ever ever do anything bad but it must get confusing when the police arrest another police officer.