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The "nuclear option" lives on.

Moscow Mitch finally stopped posturing, when Schumer made credible statements to the effect that he had 50 votes to put a stop to his BS if he kept it up.

McTurtle miscalculated the mood of the Dem Senate caucus, including it’s most conservative members. They all wanted their chairmanships, and every member in the Dem caucus were angry with McConnell. This may bode well when/if McConnell tries a similar trick on COVID relief or any other popular legislation.

So the Dems' organizing resolution is accepted, and the threat of eliminating - or at least modifying the rules pertaining to - the filibuster, remains in play.
This is probably good all around, since that's only a credible threat in future issues that would unite all 50 Dem Senators, and those issues are few and far between. But it does place bounds on Moscow Mitch's ability to obstruct.
 
Obstruct the GOP. Fuck them all. Well except the ones who are voting for impeachment. But they're still shitty too.
 
Obstruct the GOP. Fuck them all. Well except the ones who are voting for impeachment. But they're still shitty too.

The GoP doesn't need obstructing. That is their definition of existence. They don't want anything to change except lower taxes (because they are selfish and rich)

What they need is to be dragged kicking and screaming into the light of day where they will burst into fire and turn to ash.
 
Obstruct the GOP. Fuck them all. Well except the ones who are voting for impeachment. But they're still shitty too.

Agreed. I'd like see Schumer to run roughshod over all of them.
But eliminating the filibuster is probably impossible with Sinema and Manchin in the mix. Even if they went along with it, they'd probably both be replaced by Rethuglicans in '22 in retribution.
Maybe it is best to keep that option as a threat and just tweak the filibuster rules as needed to frustrate the GOP's obstruction efforts.
 
The Dems need to act like they won and stop being nice. Pretend to go along with the rethuglicans and vote against them.
 
Agreed. I'd like see Schumer to run roughshod over all of them.
LOL, good luck with that.

The American people have chosen with a clear voice: mediocrity and constant concessions are to be the rule of the next four years.

Y'know what, Polit? I sincerely believe that Schumer would, if he could, go full postal on them. But again he needs the votes. And there are a LOT of things that the DINOs couldn't vote with him one and hope to retain their seats. What gets me is that putting one's personal interests over those of the Country is blithely accepted as SOP.
In my idealized fantasy world, politicians would be leaders rather than panderers.

If you're an elected politician, even if your constituents hate the idea of lessening economic inequality because they think it's communism, you should know that in fact lessening economic inequality will ultimately benefit them.
They elected YOU to know BETTER than they do. It's your fucking job to know better.
So make the right decision and let the results speak for themselves. Don't pander to the lowest common denominator of your constituency, or you will guarantee results commensurate with that level of ignorance.

Just my fantasy.
 
Agreed. I'd like see Schumer to run roughshod over all of them.
LOL, good luck with that.

The American people have chosen with a clear voice: mediocrity and constant concessions are to be the rule of the next four years.
Yes, the American people are realists not utopians. At least this election, they choose an adult for POTUS.
 
Agreed. I'd like see Schumer to run roughshod over all of them.
LOL, good luck with that.

The American people have chosen with a clear voice: mediocrity and constant concessions are to be the rule of the next four years.
Yes, the American people are realists not utopians. At least this election, they choose an adult for POTUS.

Right. If you like. But don't expect substantive counter-extremist action from a president who knows he was elected to do as little as possible to combat the rise of radical Republicanism, or the Congress that is trying to take his lead. He's said "Unity" so many times in the last week, it can't possibly have any meaning in his head let alone anyone else's. His Democrats - and remember, "he is the Democratic Party" - are the unity party, not the take back the country party. Because that is what middle class white Americans want.

Heartfelt rejection of the loud neo-Nazis in bear costumes and overalls and the like.

Pious unity with the quiet crypto-Nazis in the business suits.

The moderate position.

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It's only practical.
 
Yes, the American people are realists not utopians. At least this election, they choose an adult for POTUS.

Right. If you like. But don't expect substantive counter-extremist action from a president who knows he was elected to do as little as possible to combat the rise of radical Republicanism, or the Congress that is trying to take his lead.
I didn't realize you are part of Biden's inner circle.
He's said "Unity" so many times in the last week, it can't possibly have any meaning in his head let alone anyone else's. His Democrats - and remember, "he is the Democratic Party" - are the unity party, not the take back the country party. Because that is what middle class white Americans want.

Heartfelt rejection of the loud neo-Nazis in bear costumes and overalls and the like.

Pious unity with the quiet crypto-Nazis in the business suits.

The moderate position.

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It's only practical.

[TWEET][/TWEET] What an excellent parody of the childish tantrums of some of the "progressive left". Thanks for pointing out the type of rhetoric and "thinking" that prevents the much more progressives from attracting the necessary support from the centrists.
 
I dunno, LD, can you point where Poli is actually wrong? Slightly hyperbolic, yes, but wrong?

TBF, Biden hasn't really gotten started on actually doing much, and so far it looks...ok, but yeah, pretty centrist. His rhetoric through the campaign, and between election and inauguration was all about unity and getting along, and shaking hands with Nazis and calling it even.
 
I dunno, LD, can you point where Poli is actually wrong? Slightly hyperbolic, yes, but wrong?
To start, how about that Biden knows he was elected to do nothing
TBF, Biden hasn't really gotten started on actually doing much, and so far it looks...ok, but yeah, pretty centrist. His rhetoric through the campaign, and between election and inauguration was all about unity and getting along, and shaking hands with Nazis and calling it even.
His campaign was not about shaking hands with Nazis and calling it even. That is ridiculous. And centrism does not mean doing nothing. It implies compromise and slower but lasting improvements.
 
I dunno, LD, can you point where Poli is actually wrong? Slightly hyperbolic, yes, but wrong?
To start, how about that Biden knows he was elected to do nothing

I'll go with your take WT, when Biden puts the muscle to Sinema and Manchin and changes the filibuster rules.
And then, only tentatively, until he actually uses those changes to cram a few things down the throats of the Sedition Caucus.
 
To start, how about that Biden knows he was elected to do nothing
I said "as little as possible", not nothing. He has vigorously pursued some very necessary measures over these first few days, and I'm glad he has. Reopening diplomatic relations with the Reservation communities, allowing the government to investigate its own racist policies, rejoining the Paris Accord. None of these are "nothing", they are necessary emergency measures under the circumstances, and I'm glad he has pursued them.

But they are also "as little as possible". Not enacting new ideas, but rather, putting out the fires and trying to return to what, a mere four years ago, constituted the status quo. This is actually a fairly ideologically conservative project, and it is what got Biden re-elected. The idea of pursuing new, socially Progressive programs frightened the public off of candidates like Bernie and Warren, and pushed them to the Bidens, Klobuchars, and Buttigiegs of the system. They know what their job is, I think.

I have lived in California for most of my life, and am accustomed to living under Democratic rule, the good and the bad of this approach. It has always been a matter of small symbolic gestures, the minimum necessary measures to "appear liberal" without seriously challenging Republican projects or promoting a uniquely Progressive platform. The slow, gradual social progress you refer to is something that can result from that kind of approach... in good times. The question is, are we now in good times as a nation? My state, supposedly the most liberal state outside of the Northeast, is groaning under the weight of nearly unchecked capitalist expansionism, grinding poverty, racialized redlining of the urban majority into sprawling barrios, underfunded and asbestos-infested schools and civic services, and an commercial/industrial infrastructure that has seen few true improvements since the 1970's. Our politics are "too liberal for Capitol Hill", but we have not succeeded in checking Republican ambitions. What does this teach us about what is about to happen in Washington? Are we in good times?

It implies compromise and slower but lasting improvements.

Perhaps you could give us an example of the productive compromises the Biden administration is currently working on, and which Republicans are volunteering to help broker the other side of those compromises.

I don't think centrism necessarily implies "shaking hands with Nazis". But as long as the Republican Party is acting as a safe haven for white nationalists and their projects in American politics, that will be the outcome of centrist ideology in our current era. The Democrats have no power to change this, but the Republicans themselves could, if they decided to firmly repudiate white nationallist anarchism and initiate meaningful projects of compromise, reform, and mutual cooperation. If they did, moderate Democrats would obviously be overjoyed to work with them, and even if you are right that Progressives are incapable of any form of comporomise, they would be handily outvoted regardless.

But is that what's happening in Washington right now? Or did almost half of our Senate just vote that the instigation of a violent coup and an assault on their own houses of governance doesn't even merit investigation. let alone prosecution?
 
To start, how about that Biden knows he was elected to do nothing
I said "as little as possible", not nothing...
My point holds. Your description of his accomplishments within the first week as "as little as possible" is infantile.


Perhaps you could give us an example of the productive compromises the Biden administration is currently working on, and which Republicans are volunteering to help broker the other side of those compromises.
So, you are not a member of the Biden inner circle. I am not in the Biden inner circle, so there is no way to know.

Do you realize that it has been less than 10 days? The "I want it now" view is infantile.
 
My point holds. Your description of his accomplishments within the first week as "as little as possible" is infantile.


Perhaps you could give us an example of the productive compromises the Biden administration is currently working on, and which Republicans are volunteering to help broker the other side of those compromises.
So, you are not a member of the Biden inner circle. I am not in the Biden inner circle, so there is no way to know.

Do you realize that it has been less than 10 days? The "I want it now" view is infantile.

Yeah, I'm waiting to see what he does in the next few months, and where marijuana legalization goes.

I have three pillars of progressive action I think will make substantive difference as to the future of the nation: universal educational access, ending the drug war, and infrastructural spending.

His progress on those three fronts determine my opinion of him. He has a year to make large scale progress on at least one while putting at least one more on the table for discussion, and two years to advance the second, before I judge him impotent and useless.

If it is purely "republican obstructionism" as a result of failing to turn off the parking break that is the filibuster, I'll not be surprised, though.
 
My point holds. Your description of his accomplishments within the first week as "as little as possible" is infantile.


Perhaps you could give us an example of the productive compromises the Biden administration is currently working on, and which Republicans are volunteering to help broker the other side of those compromises.
So, you are not a member of the Biden inner circle. I am not in the Biden inner circle, so there is no way to know.

Do you realize that it has been less than 10 days? The "I want it now" view is infantile.

I'm making a prediction, not describing the past. Are you confused?

I also did not claim to have any personal knowledge of the president. Since both of your statements are accusations that I said two things that I did not, I accept your post as a concession of my actual point.
 
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