#metoo hysteria claims yet another victim!

[dismal]

Dats what I' been asking.

How does a woman being in a bikini "objectify" her?

Objectification of a person is when you view them as having nothing to contribute except sexual pleasure for another. Thus, viewing her as a sex object, like a blow-up doll or a dildo.

So, no, a gown that does not force attention directly to their primary and secondary sexual assets and erogenous zones is not objectifying her, nor is demonstration of a non-sexual skill.

Unless you have a baton-twirling fetish or something, then you might be able to produce hard-core porn that no one else even recognizes as sexual in nature.

So, you see a woman in a bikini and your thought is "she has nothing to offer but sexual pleasure"?

I think the problem is on your end.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Yeah.
Sure.

A segment of the pageant is to parade the women in front of the viewers for no reason but to show off their body, which is dressed in as little as the network allows, and it's my reaction that's the problem. No reason the people in charge of the pageant should consider refocusing the attention on the girls to something other than cup size and tan lines.

Of course, those viewers that CAN see the women as something other than carefully tended meat will not be missing the swimsuit portion, will they? It's only MCPs who lose anything with this change, and thus bitch about the end of pandering to them.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So, when somebody says "Objectification of women is not an acceptable norm" in response to women wearing bikinis, you saw that comment some other way?

norm means most of the time. and also the guy from cheers.

 

[ZiprHead]

Funny, I don't see anyone here saying a woman should not wear a bikini if they want to.

So, when somebody says "Objectification of women is not an acceptable norm" in response to women wearing bikinis, you saw that comment some other way? I saw it as saying that having women parade around on stage in bikinis is not something that's acceptable in normal society and therefore it is something that should not be done.

Objectification is done by the viewer, not by the person being viewed.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This has three-eighths of bugger-all to do with #MeToo

The decline in the revenue raising ability of scantily clad women is entirely due to the huge increase in public availability of pictures and movies of scantily clad women. Miss America, Grid Girls, and all the other mild titillation services provided at the cutting edge of pre-Internet media content rules imposed by puritanical censors, have become irrelevant due to the flood of uncensored images of any kind now freely available to all. #MeToo is not to blame for the decline of Miss America; PornHub is.

Bullseye.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If someone shows lots of T&A on TV, it usually means someone made a terrible TV show or movie, and they're hoping I won't notice how awful the show is if they flash enough boobies in my face. Showing lots of T&A basically sends the message to men: "We don't have to make a show that's actually good. You're just a stupid man who thinks with his pants and you'll watch whatever we show if we put enough boobies in it."

Being objectifying to women certainly doesn't help.

Yup. I have long said that the R rating on movies stands for "Rotten". Almost always it's because they added either skin or violence to cover up an otherwise bad movie.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Given your penchant for illogical reasoning and rants, I am not surprised at all.

You say that to many people. The common element between all the people in all the threads you say that to is you.

If Miss America is not to judge women on appearance, and is now a "competition" and not a "pageant", what's the point?

Hey, you’re up to speed with the adults. Congrats. There never was any point. It was nothing more than soft core pornography all along. It should not only have been banned decades ago, it should never have been created in the first place.

Soft core pornography. That's a bit strong.

Still, it is nice to see the liberal value of people doing what they want with their own bodies is alive and well. [/sarcasm]

Banning immorality is a very conservative value.

 

[dismal]

Yeah.
Sure.

A segment of the pageant is to parade the women in front of the viewers for no reason but to show off their body, which is dressed in as little as the network allows, and it's my reaction that's the problem. No reason the people in charge of the pageant should consider refocusing the attention on the girls to something other than cup size and tan lines.

Of course, those viewers that CAN see the women as something other than carefully tended meat will not be missing the swimsuit portion, will they? It's only MCPs who lose anything with this change, and thus bitch about the end of pandering to them.

The show is mostly watched by women. Is it your belief that these women who watch are just like you in that if they see a woman in a bikini they think she's good for nothing but sex? You must lead a strange twisted life if these are the sorts of women you encounter. Is there some sort of objectificators club you all hang out at?

 

[Arctish]

Funny, I don't see anyone here saying a woman should not wear a bikini if they want to.

So, when somebody says "Objectification of women is not an acceptable norm" in response to women wearing bikinis, you saw that comment some other way? I saw it as saying that having women parade around on stage in bikinis is not something that's acceptable in normal society and therefore it is something that should not be done.

Objectification is done by the viewer, not by the person being viewed.

Exactly.

 

[dismal]

Objectification is done by the viewer, not by the person being viewed.

Exactly.

Right, that's why it's surprising to see that so many progressives view a woman in a bikini as being good for nothing but sex.

 

[Patooka]

Objectification is done by the viewer, not by the person being viewed.

Exactly.

Right, that's why it's surprising to see that so many progressives view a woman in a bikini as being good for nothing but sex.

A bunch of twenty-something women in bikinis and heels (I have never seen that in real life), all of a specific body type standing on a platform being judged by appearance is not a fucking talmudic discussion. I see a woman in a bikini, I assume there is a pool nearby. I see a bunch of women in bikinis, wearing uncomfortable footware in some pretty heavy duty makeup, I assume some objectification is going on. That you believe the difference is subtle and nuanced says more about you than me.

 

[ZiprHead]

Right, that's why it's surprising to see that so many progressives view a woman in a bikini as being good for nothing but sex.

A bunch of twenty-something women in bikinis and heels (I have never seen that in real life), all of a specific body type standing on a platform being judged by appearance is not a fucking talmudic discussion. I see a woman in a bikini, I assume there is a pool nearby. I see a bunch of women in bikinis, wearing uncomfortable footware in some pretty heavy duty makeup, I assume some objectification is going on. That you believe the difference is subtle and nuanced says more about you than me.

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[dismal]

Right, that's why it's surprising to see that so many progressives view a woman in a bikini as being good for nothing but sex.

A bunch of twenty-something women in bikinis and heels (I have never seen that in real life), all of a specific body type standing on a platform being judged by appearance is not a fucking talmudic discussion. I see a woman in a bikini, I assume there is a pool nearby. I see a bunch of women in bikinis, wearing uncomfortable footware in some pretty heavy duty makeup, I assume some objectification is going on. That you believe the difference is subtle and nuanced says more about you than me.

You are dragging up a bunch of irrelevancies.

The relevant question here would be whether you think a woman in a bikini is good for nothing but sex.

It seems we have a lot of people here who do. Some who even go so far as to equate a woman in bikini with a sex doll.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Some who even go so far as to equate a woman in bikini with a sex doll.

Entrapment.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Are men who enter body building competitions victimized when judged on how they look topless?

That's objectification too right? *crickets*

Why do we get such disdain in the one case but not in the other? Could it be because men are seen as having agency?

You folks would have a better point if you complained about female Olympic swimmers having to wear swimsuits.

What do you think a "Miss America" beauty contest is if not a contest of female beauty? Should they open this competition to men to compete? Should they rename it "America's Lacking Talent"?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Are men who enter body building competitions victimized when judged on how they look topless?

That's objectification too right? *crickets*

Why do we get such disdain in the one case but not in the other? Could it be because men are seen as having agency?

You folks would have a better point if you complained about female Olympic swimmers having to wear swimsuits.

What do you think a "Miss America" beauty contest is if not a contest of female beauty? Should they open this competition to men to compete? Should they rename it "America's Lacking Talent"?

Well, it does lead to artificial and unattainable standards of male beauty being promoted as "good", leading those who can't develop a similar physique down the path of depression and resentment, so they go and do things like drive a van through a crowd of people.

If one of those body builders who was directly responsible for this act of mass murder was walking down the street at the time and got hit then yes, entering the competition led to him being victimized as a result.

 

[laughing dog]

Are men who enter body building competitions victimized when judged on how they look topless?

That's objectification too right?

No, it is not, because it is part of assessing the effectiveness and outcome of the body building. Can you point to how wearing a bikini fits into the ideal of "Miss America"?

 

[dismal]

Are men who enter body building competitions victimized when judged on how they look topless?

That's objectification too right? *crickets*

Why do we get such disdain in the one case but not in the other? Could it be because men are seen as having agency?

You folks would have a better point if you complained about female Olympic swimmers having to wear swimsuits.

What do you think a "Miss America" beauty contest is if not a contest of female beauty? Should they open this competition to men to compete? Should they rename it "America's Lacking Talent"?

I, for one, have never seen a man in a swimsuit and thought "he's good for nothing but sex".

But then I'm not a progressive so I haven't thought that about women in swimsuits either.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Are men who enter body building competitions victimized when judged on how they look topless?

That's objectification too right?

No, it is not, because it is part of assessing the effectiveness and outcome of the body building.

Bodybuilding is 100% based on how the guys look. You may be confusing this with a Strong Man competition or weight lifting competition.

Can you point to how wearing a bikini fits into the ideal of "Miss America"?

I am amazed that you can't. This is a female beauty pageant, not an Olympic sport. And it started as nothing BUT a swimsuit competition, or "bathing beauty review" way back in 1921.

If you want to no longer have these women who enter this "beauty pageant" judged on their looks, then I ask again, should we open it to men and should we call it a talent show? Maybe call it "America Lacks Talent?"

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I, for one, have never seen a man in a swimsuit and thought "he's good for nothing but sex".

But then I'm not a progressive so I haven't thought that about women in swimsuits either.

Nor have I. It is funny how so many of the "progressive liberals" have turned around and become regressive illiberals and are now hard to tell apart from the Christian right. I can remember when it was the Christian right that wanted to shut down these competitions, ban porn, and even had a hilarious freak out over the fact that Donald Duck wears no pants. Is the next target of these illiberals going to be Donald Duck? He's flashing our children!