Misconceptions on George Floyd protests and lack of law enforcement

[Jimmy Higgins]

I saw a complaint elsewhere regarding no arrests regarding violence in the George Floyd protests, therefore, no arrests here.

There were over 13,000 arrests relating to the George Floyd protests and over 300 Federal Cases standing.

It is doubtful all people that committed acts of destruction were held accountable, but the claim that there was no law enforcement is a farce.

 

[J842P]

I saw a complaint elsewhere regarding no arrests regarding violence in the George Floyd protests, therefore, no arrests here.

There were over 13,000 arrests relating to the George Floyd protests and over 300 Federal Cases standing.

It is doubtful all people that committed acts of destruction were held accountable, but the claim that there was no law enforcement is a farce.

Such a claim runs so contrary to reality that it is astounding. But it is par for the course for these maniacs. Pure cult of personality madness. It's becoming more and more obvious to me how religions start.

 

[Trausti]

Two sets of rules.

 

[TomC]

Two sets of rules.

You really don't see the difference between a grassroots reform demonstration and a demonstration incited by lies from top government officials?

I've got serious issues with BLM, both their motivations and their methods. But to compare that to the President inciting such chaos by undermining basic US institutions is idiotic.

Treasonous even.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Two sets of rules.

Belief that here is an equivalence between a protest against a killing by the police on the street and an invasion of the US Capitol while Congress is in session is just another manifestation of Trump Idolation Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Trausti]

Two sets of rules.

You really don't see the difference between a grassroots reform demonstration and a demonstration incited by lies from top government officials?

I've got serious issues with BLM, both their motivations and their methods. But to compare that to the President inciting such chaos by undermining basic US institutions is idiotic.

Treasonous even.
Tom

I do not support what happened yesterday. But I fucking hate lefty hypocrisy.

 

[Trausti]

Two sets of rules.

Belief that here is an equivalence between a protest against a killing by the police on the street and an invasion of the US Capitol while Congress is in session is just another manifestation of Trump Idolation Derangement Syndrome.

Everyone feels his own cause is just. That’s why there should be the same standard for everyone. Fuck your hypocrisy.

 

[TomC]

I do not support what happened yesterday. But I fucking hate lefty hypocrisy.

Only lefty hypocrisy it seems.

Donald Trump swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.
Now he's inciting riots to overturn our system.

Now that's huuuge hypocrisy.

And Trump has had a lot of support from folks like McConnell and Cruz.
Do you really not see the difference between them and BLM?
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Two sets of rules.

Two sets of rules?

The title indicates that riots are dangerous, and in no way is it condoning what happened. Again, 13,000 arrests! But often riots come about as desperate acts due to social injustice or inequity. There are illegitimate reactions to legitimate grievances.

The people storming the Capitol Building were allegedly trying to Save America from an election that wasn't stolen, but once inside just broke some shit, stole some shit, took some selfies. Illegitimate reaction to illegitimate to non-existent grievance.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Do we really want to talk about 2 sets of rules?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/police-response-black-lives-matter-protest-us-capitol/index.html

 

[Trausti]

I do not support what happened yesterday. But I fucking hate lefty hypocrisy.

Only lefty hypocrisy it seems.

Donald Trump swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.
Now he's inciting riots to overturn our system.

Now that's huuuge hypocrisy.

And Trump has had a lot of support from folks like McConnell and Cruz.
Do you really not see the difference between them and BLM?
Tom

Dude, I wrote that I do not support what happened at the capital. And BLM is a Marxist organization. As a student of 20th century history I have no desire to support Marxist. But this is beside the point. Someone’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. The crucial aspect of the rule of law is that everyone is treated the same. You do not excuse wanton destruction simply because it fits your politics.

 

[TomC]

Dude, I wrote that I do not support what happened at the capital.

Do you support the TeaParty folks who did? Like Trump?

Or are you just expressing your hypocrisy?
Tom

 

[Trausti]

Do we really want to talk about 2 sets of rules?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/police-response-black-lives-matter-protest-us-capitol/index.html

Are you unaware that the DC mayor called in the national guard? CNN didn’t report that? *shocking* They simply didn’t anticipate the crowd would head to the capital building.

 

[Trausti]

Dude, I wrote that I do not support what happened at the capital.

Do you support the TeaParty folks who did? Like Trump?

Or are you just expressing your hypocrisy?
Tom

Do you have difficulty with reading comprehension? For the third time, with caps, I DO NOT SUPPORT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CAPITAL BUILDING YESTERDAY. These people were in the wrong. FFS.

 

[laughing dog]

Two sets of rules.

Belief that here is an equivalence between a protest against a killing by the police on the street and an invasion of the US Capitol while Congress is in session is just another manifestation of Trump Idolation Derangement Syndrome.

Everyone feels his own cause is just. That’s why there should be the same standard for everyone.

Feelings are irrelevant. Your moronic false equivalence is not advocating different rules for everyone - it is talking about using reason to make judgements about what is happening.

Fuck your hypocrisy.

LOL - I believe the irony of your infantile response is lost on you.

I am not a supporter of the President who has fomented and riled up these assholes. His ardent supporters who put this wannabe dictator into office and who have excused his many flagrant excesses during his tenure ought to fucking ashamed of their part in enabling this shocking travesty and attack on the very foundation of USA's republic. But since almost all of them are suffering from TIDS, we get infantile "whataboutisms" and hateful comments.

You appear to be very familiar with research on the genetic influence on behavior, do you have any links about possible genetic causes of Trump Idolatory Derange Syndrome?

 

[blastula]

I do not support what happened yesterday.

No, you just support everything that caused it.

 

[TomC]

Dude, I wrote that I do not support what happened at the capital.

Do you support the TeaParty folks who did? Like Trump?

Or are you just expressing your hypocrisy?
Tom

Do you have difficulty with reading comprehension? For the third time, with caps, I DO NOT SUPPORT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CAPITAL BUILDING YESTERDAY. These people were in the wrong. FFS.

Do you support Trump and the people who incited it?
Tom

 

[Trausti]

I do not support what happened yesterday.

No, you just support everything that caused it.

How? Are you responsible for all the death and destruction caused by BLM? Or other lefties? You partisans just can’t understand that most people are not as myopic as you. I just hate the hypocrisy.

 

[ronburgundy]

Besides the valid facts in the OP, a massive difference between Floyd protests and yesterday is that yesterday all of the thousands of criminals were in one known location, with hundreds of them chasing down and assaulting police officers and attempting to smash down the doors where Senators were hiding and rationally fearing for their lives. Every single person not authorized to be in the building was a criminal by definition, so simply surrounding the building and arresting everyone without a official pass would have led to zero false arrests. In fact, every single person even outside on the steps and courtyard was a criminal who had breeches legal barriers and followed those who had assaulted cops guarding those barriers. Plus, the criminals were in there for hours, with more law enforcement per capita than anywhere in the US just minutes away and fully aware of where all the criminals were but doing nothing.

With the Floyd protests, the criminals were scattered all over quickly engaging in act of destruction or theft, then moving on into crowds of non-criminals. There weren't sufficient law enforcement to run all over cities only to arrive when it was impossible to determine who the criminals were. In fact, we saw multiple instances where black good Samaritans trying to help store owners were targeted by the cops when they did arrive as the actual criminals strolled away. When riots did attack police, the police didn't simply run away or let the assailant stroll away and go home like yesterday, but rather beat the crap out of them, shot them with rubber bullets, and arrested them. Also, Floyd protesters went after property, mostly empty properties, while yesterday's terrorists specially targeted a building because of the people inside whom they wanted to threaten to keep their despot in power. Which relates to the final huge difference where yesterday's rioters were terrorists without any legit grievance whatsoever, trying to destroy the voting rights of 320,000,000 Americans. Floyd protesters had an honest reaction to centuries of unpunished violence by cops, so to put down that reaction with more police violence was deemed by some to be a last resort to be used only to protect actual physical threats to other persons.

 

[Trausti]