More Black Lives Matter hits

[Derec]

Maybe some people over-react sometimes.

Understatement of the century!

 

[Derec]

That same "reasoning" leads to the conclusion that deep hostility and fear towards black people is what motivates you.

Wrong.

, you are not on my side of the spectrum.

But SJWs are.

Lots of people were in favor of Tamir Rice dying. You are not fooling anyone.

I do not know anybody who was in favor for Tamir Rice dying. Saying that mistakes were made by everybody involved, including Tamir, does not mean one is in favor of him dying. Saying that police officers are not guilty of murder does not mean one is in favor of Tamir Rice dying.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

That same "reasoning" leads to the conclusion that deep hostility and fear towards black people is what motivates you.

No. If anything it leads to the conclusion that Derec has "deep hostility and fear" towards BLM. You equating BLM with black people in general is your own racist leap. He doesn't appear to have it towards BLM either, but that's because your analogy is bad.

 

[Toni]

That same "reasoning" leads to the conclusion that deep hostility and fear towards black people is what motivates you.

No. If anything it leads to the conclusion that Derec has "deep hostility and fear" towards BLM. You equating BLM with black people in general is your own racist leap. He doesn't appear to have it towards BLM either, but that's because your analogy is bad.

I am guessing that laughing dog is basing his conclusions about Derec's attitudes towards blacks on Derec's extensive posting history prior to the advent of #BLM as well as posts about #BLM. Although either would be enough.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

No. If anything it leads to the conclusion that Derec has "deep hostility and fear" towards BLM. You equating BLM with black people in general is your own racist leap. He doesn't appear to have it towards BLM either, but that's because your analogy is bad.

I am guessing that laughing dog is basing his conclusions about Derec's attitudes towards blacks on Derec's extensive posting history prior to the advent of #BLM as well as posts about #BLM. Although either would be enough.

BLMers have done enough to give BLM a very questionable image. That isn't racist to say. That is fact. Such people have interrupted Bernie Sanders rallies and police apologies to the homosexual community. But to expand that to black people in general; that would be totally racist. It is dishonest to try to paint another as equating the two if they have not done so. And from what I have read, Derec hasn't.

 

[laughing dog]

That same "reasoning" leads to the conclusion that deep hostility and fear towards black people is what motivates you.

No. If anything it leads to the conclusion that Derec has "deep hostility and fear" towards BLM. You equating BLM with black people in general is your own racist leap. He doesn't appear to have it towards BLM either, but that's because your analogy is bad.

I am doing no such thing. I applied his idiotic standard in this thread of taking cherry picked examples to use to draw reasonable conclusions. In this case, as Toni clearly recognized, I simply am using Derec's posting history in threads about black people to draw a similar reasonable conclusion. So, you got it wrong again.

 

[Trausti]

BLMers have done enough to give BLM a very questionable image. That isn't racist to say.

Hmm.

 

[Malintent]

No. If anything it leads to the conclusion that Derec has "deep hostility and fear" towards BLM. You equating BLM with black people in general is your own racist leap. He doesn't appear to have it towards BLM either, but that's because your analogy is bad.

I am doing no such thing. I applied his idiotic standard in this thread of taking cherry picked examples to use to draw reasonable conclusions. In this case, as Toni clearly recognized, I simply am using Derec's posting history in threads about black people to draw a similar reasonable conclusion. So, you got it wrong again.

Oh, so it was an Ad Homin attack against Derek, and not a relevant point against any particular post in this thread. OK, got it.

Ya'll need some anger management therapy or something.

 

[laughing dog]

I am doing no such thing. I applied his idiotic standard in this thread of taking cherry picked examples to use to draw reasonable conclusions. In this case, as Toni clearly recognized, I simply am using Derec's posting history in threads about black people to draw a similar reasonable conclusion. So, you got it wrong again.

Oh, so it was an Ad Homin attack against Derek, and not a relevant point against any particular post in this thread. OK, got it.

I pointed out that to Derec (not Derek) that his reasoning means he has deep hostility and fear towards blacks - something he denies. Which might lead him to conclude that his reasoning is false. So, as seems to the frequent case, you did not get it.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I pointed out that to Derec (not Derek) that his reasoning means he has deep hostility and fear towards blacks

Nothing he has written in this thread establishes that. So you point to what he has generally written outside of this thread, without quoting anything in particular. This is not making your mind reading of him convincing, especially when he is here to tell us what he actually thinks.

 

[laughing dog]

I pointed out that to Derec (not Derek) that his reasoning means he has deep hostility and fear towards blacks

Nothing he has written in this thread establishes that.

I never said it did. As a matter of fact, in a reply (#106) to your post, I said I was using his posting history.

So you point to what he has generally written outside of this thread, without quoting anything in particular. This is not making your mind reading of him convincing, especially when he is here to tell us what he actually thinks.

I felt no need to quote anything in particular, because most readers are familiar with his posts. There was no mind reading involved, I simply applied his faulty reasoning to his posts. If you think there was mind-reading involved, then you must think Derec was mind-reading as well. So, to be clear, are you claiming
1) his posting history does not contain posts that denigrate blacks,
2) cherry picking examples to come to a generalization is poor reasoning,
3) he is not cherry picking examples, or
4) I misapplied his MO of cherry-picking examples to come to a generalization.

Because #2 was my point.
3) he is not cherry-picking examples,

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I can't believe you seriously think these are the reasons these black men were killed! By the way, you failed to mention the Skittles and hoodie in the Trayvon Martin case.

Zimmerman wasn't a police officer.

And lets get back to the beginning. My comments were in response to Derec saying blacks are killed by police because they commit more violent crimes. Yet, the cases I raised involved the worst of crimes as jaywalking. The jaywalking incident escalated in to assault on the officer. The remaining, involved not a single crime by a sane person.

Now you admit it wasn't jaywalking that got him shot. Are you going to retract your previous post?

 

[KeepTalking]

Anecdotal does not mean false.

Well, it's a good thing that I didn't claim anything so foolish, then. 'Anecdotal' means a personal account, with no factual basis. An anecdote may be false, or it may be true, but there is no external or factual corroboration for it. The incidents that Jimmy used have a factual basis, and any misrepresentations of those incidents would be easily countered by producing the factual accounts underlying them.

 

[RavenSky]

You know what happens when police, department-wide, perceive their jobs are more dangerous than they had been?
They escalate. so BLM hits out on cops is just going to get more people killed by REDUCED rules of engagement, to better protect the cops. Ever threaten a cops life to get what you want? how did that work out?

The other side of this is if the police begin to feel their lives are at greater danger they may work to regulate better when cops are using deadly force.

That won't happen.

What I expect will happen is that we will suddenly see a push from police departments for strong gun control.

And what Malintent said

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Waiting for Derec to apologize for saying the man was probably a part of the BLM movement. What's that I hear? Crickets?

Not going to apologize for it. While tentative and subject to future revision, it was a fair statement given data available at the time.

No it wasn't.

It was a fucking racist thing to say.

 

[RavenSky]

Jaywalking? Try attacking an officer and then trying to take his gun.

Driving with a broken tail light? Try being sloppy with keeping your hands away from your gun when you're mistaken for a felon.

Possession of a toy gun? Try a gun close enough to real to fool officers even with the luxury of looking in safe conditions. The real problem is kids shouldn't have such "guns".

Being naked? I'm not sure what case this is in reference to but note that "being naked" likely means someone on PCP or the like.

How about being a LOT more honest than this about the incidents??

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Jaywalking? Try attacking an officer and then trying to take his gun.

Driving with a broken tail light? Try being sloppy with keeping your hands away from your gun when you're mistaken for a felon.

Possession of a toy gun? Try a gun close enough to real to fool officers even with the luxury of looking in safe conditions. The real problem is kids shouldn't have such "guns".

Being naked? I'm not sure what case this is in reference to but note that "being naked" likely means someone on PCP or the like.

How about being a LOT more honest than this about the incidents??

Try listening to what is said rather than what the protesters say. You simply assume the cops were in the wrong, when the facts are out they generally come pretty close to what the cops said. That's usually not much like what the BLM types said, though.

 

[repoman]

Oh, this white guy in Reno Nevada might get fucked if he has a nice job for a corporate employer, though he did nothing wrong:

Anthony Brewer was in the city plaza playing Pokemon Go when the pro-Black Lives Matter march showed up. After speeches, when the crowd started dispersing, he started yelling "Donald Trump!" repeatedly. This caused a reaction of people yelling "Black Lives Matter!" People then started surrounding him and putting signs in his face. A group formed a circle around him and told people not to touch him and to back up and let him express his First Amendment rights. Danny Johnson, far right, and another man shouts back July 15, 2016.