More deplorables ...

[Rhea]

That looks like a horrible act. I hope that not only do they recieve the proper legal action, but they also receive a community blowback rejecting their actions - from all of us, especially those who think Trump is horrible. Trump is horrible and it should never lead to things like this from us.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That looks like a horrible act. I hope that not only do they recieve the proper legal action, but they also receive a community blowback rejecting their actions - from all of us, especially those who think Trump is horrible. Trump is horrible and it should never lead to things like this from us.

Yeah, it feels like football hooligans to the nth degree of absurdity.

And not only is the act vile and repulsive, these vile people have given the Trump supporters something to be merry about.

 

[blastula]

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=implication

Ah, you seem to have missed the fact there was a conversation going about a causal relationship. Some have asserted Trumps words cause people to want to go kidnap and torture a mentally challenged guy.

Nobody has said that in this thread.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

Ah, you seem to have missed the fact there was a conversation going about a causal relationship. Some have asserted Trumps words cause people to want to go kidnap and torture a mentally challenged guy.

Nobody has said that in this thread.

Actually, dismal asserted it.

Dismal "anti-Trump hate causes people to kidnap and torture a mentally challenged guy" (A causes B) - which no one agreed with.

Other Poster "Trump causes anti-Trump hate" (Z causes A).

Dismal "Oh so you're saying Trump caused people to kidnap and torture a mentally challenged guy" (Z causes B) - again no one agreed with it.

So here we sit in another thread where dismal is arguing with a strawman of his own original argument. Apparently this never gets old.

aa

 

[RavenSky]

The answer is that neither do these four or Dylan Roof represent for than a sliver fraction of either race now. Hopefully it will remain that way.

Who said Dylan Roof represents "white American"?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The answer is that neither do these four or Dylan Roof represent for than a sliver fraction of either race now. Hopefully it will remain that way.

Who said Dylan Roof represents "white American"?

I seem to have missed the TF thread "Lookie, the whites did it again!"

 

[fast]

So what did Trump say/do to make these 4 people decide to kidnap and torture a mentally challenged person?

'Make' isn't the right word. Probably the opposite is true.

But he did run a campaign that exploited a lot of hate and anger.
Which empowered a lot of angry, hateful people.
And their anger and hate is drawing a reaction from people who feel targeted by the anger and hate.
And, big surprise, it's gotten out of any one person's control.

So, no, Trump didn't make (force, coerce, direct, order, whatever) this happen. but he did create the conditions in which it happened.

Hmmm, I guess when the easily excitable is excited into a frenzy, then those easily influenced and with little self control will sometimes cross the line and do that which they might not have otherwise done had it not been for that frenzied state of excitement brought on by the words and actions of others.

Trump didn't tap into the better part within us. Maybe his approach had the effect of encouraging diverging factions--or as some say divisiveness.

Has he torn a rip in the fabric of society (to which incidents are expectedly plausible), or did he intensify the hate barely laying dormant by magnifying the crevice housing the bubbling anger?

Seems to me, you might very well be right. When a man with his ability to influence others steps into the limelight and becomes greatly influential, the moral thing to do is tone down the image that may negatively sway the easily influenced.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

Chicago Police: 4 in custody after man tied up, tortured on Facebook Live



Edited to add: Longer article on Heavy: WATCH: Man ‘Tied Up & Tortured’ on Facebook Live in Chicago

Lol, everyone has been labeled as belonging to a particular race except the four holding another hostage. Is it just that damn taboo?

It seems not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...es-chicago-police-say/?utm_term=.1c98169ebb55

 

[zorq]

This was one of the top stories in the local news here and the races and genders of everyone involved were mentioned and the police are planning on charging a hate crime. It seems to me that the media and justice system are doing their jobs just fine. These criminals are not getting special or more gentle treatment like some people previously claimed they were.

So all is right with the world. Yes?

 

[fast]

They didn't dare label the bad guys as belonging to the African American race until much later. All of a sudden now, after I've been taught to count both the hits and misses, do we later have an attempt that undermines my ability to keep the count straight. Had roles been different, the bad guys from the get-go would not have been referred to as four people.

 

[Juma]

They didn't dare label the bad guys as belonging to the African American race until much later. All of a sudden now, after I've been taught to count both the hits and misses, do we later have an attempt that undermines my ability to keep the count straight. Had roles been different, the bad guys from the get-go would not have been referred to as four people.

What count? Why does need to kept "straight"? Are you seriously believing that the colour of your skin has aanytjing to do with how much racist you are?

 

[fast]

What count?

That's actually a very good question. There is something peculiar about the general trend in which the race of villains and victims are initially reported. I have it in my mind that role reversals of particular combinations would be statistically skewed.

Yet, we are reminded of the possibility of self deluding ourselves by the tendency to overstate the times we think something occurs and understate other occurances. We are told in short to count the hits with the misses. The four villains in this case are black, and the victim is white. Paying close attention to only what can be seen on the screen of the first post, identify the race of the assailants. Can't? Okay, count that as a hit.

Thing is, I haven't really been trying to keep a running tally of the peculiar oddities that I think surface with a substantially greater frequency than others. Since 9-11, there have been what seems to be an unusual number of times where I out of the blue glance up at a clock and see that it's exactly 9:11. Of course, many times, it's another time, but I tend to consciously recall what seems to be an uncanny frequency where it so happens to be 9:11 when I happen chance to look. Intellectually, I know that if every instance were recorded when I looked at the clock, the results would unlikely yield a statistically skewed data set.

I'm mindful of the possibility that I'm potentially over recalling the racial reporting peculiarities. It might just be me. At anyrate, this one's on record as a hit.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

They didn't dare label the bad guys as belonging to the African American race until much later. All of a sudden now, after I've been taught to count both the hits and misses, do we later have an attempt that undermines my ability to keep the count straight. Had roles been different, the bad guys from the get-go would not have been referred to as four people.

What do you mean by "they"?
The media, or the police?
I agree that they would have been identified as White from the get go by most mainstream media outlets, almost certainly (it seems obvious to me, given how the media tend to report things, if they had beaten up and cut a Black person, while making their anti-Black hatred clear).
But still, the authorities consider it a hate crime, and that is in part because they reckon their attack was motivated by racism. And the media has not taken that long, either.

 

[KeepTalking]

What count?

That's actually a very good question. There is something peculiar about the general trend in which the race of villains and victims are initially reported. I have it in my mind that role reversals of particular combinations would be statistically skewed.

Yet, we are reminded of the possibility of self deluding ourselves by the tendency to overstate the times we think something occurs and understate other occurances. We are told in short to count the hits with the misses. The four villains in this case are black, and the victim is white. Paying close attention to only what can be seen on the screen of the first post, identify the race of the assailants. Can't? Okay, count that as a hit.

Well, then, apparently you didn't bother to click on the link to the article contained in the OP. You see, it has a video of the incident embedded in the article, which when viewed, shows you that the 3 people who did not have their races mentioned in the article are black. The article identified the races of the two others. The victim's face was obscured, so it was difficult to determine his race, the article notes that he is white. The person posted the video does not appear, so she is identified in the article as African American.

 

[Malintent]

Which would have some sort of connection to my post if either one of us felt particularly targeted by the hate and anger being broadcast by the bigots who feel empowered by Trump's win...

Your post suggests you think there is some clear causal relationship between things Trump has said and the desire to kidnap and torture a mentally challenged guy.

Since you see this as an obvious causal relationship, it seems reasonable to conclude things Trump has said have made you want to kidnap and torture a mentally challenged guy.

YOUR post suggests that what people say about Trump has a clear causal relationship to the desire to kidnap and torture mentally challenged guys.

 

[Malintent]

Nobody has said that in this thread.

Actually, dismal asserted it.

Dismal "anti-Trump hate causes people to kidnap and torture a mentally challenged guy" (A causes B) - which no one agreed with.

Other Poster "Trump causes anti-Trump hate" (Z causes A).

Dismal "Oh so you're saying Trump caused people to kidnap and torture a mentally challenged guy" (Z causes B) - again no one agreed with it.

So here we sit in another thread where dismal is arguing with a strawman of his own original argument. Apparently this never gets old.

aa

yup, exactly... fallacy of composition.

Trump caused hate
hate caused kidnapping
fallacy: trump caused kidnapping

actually, it was Dismal that caused the kidnapping...

Dismal says things that people think is stupid
stupidity causes hateful actions
hate causes kidnapping
Therefore, Dismal caused the kidnapping.

 

[Malintent]

That looks like a horrible act. I hope that not only do they recieve the proper legal action, but they also receive a community blowback rejecting their actions - from all of us, especially those who think Trump is horrible. Trump is horrible and it should never lead to things like this from us.

It does not appear as though they will. If you feel like reading the news articles that quote the investigators, cops, and such. that all are saying things like, "We really don't want to pursue this as a hate crime".. and "it remains to be seen if this was a hate crime or just 'ranting off'".

so when black people assault white people, it is the cops responsibility to frame it as far from a hate crime as can possibly be imagined. If it is a white guy assaulting a black guy, then it is automatically an outrageous hate crime, unless somehow proven otherwise.

 

[Malintent]

I would have thought my post made it clear that I don't think it's clear.
It's anger and hate stirring up anger and hate. Not stirring up rational thought and proportionate responses.
And 'out of control.' I think that was in there, somewhere, wasn't it?
At least in the post I posted.
What post you're reading, I'm not entirely sure.

- - - Updated - - -

I only spoke for myself.

Except for the bits where you put words into other people's mouths, yes.

LOL... like the part where he claimed I was saying whose fault it was for the kidnapping immediately after making the claim himself (the trump haters).. like as if it could have been anyone's fault but the kidnappers.

 

[dismal]

Actually, dismal asserted it.

Dismal "anti-Trump hate causes people to kidnap and torture a mentally challenged guy" (A causes B) - which no one agreed with.

Other Poster "Trump causes anti-Trump hate" (Z causes A).

Dismal "Oh so you're saying Trump caused people to kidnap and torture a mentally challenged guy" (Z causes B) - again no one agreed with it.

So here we sit in another thread where dismal is arguing with a strawman of his own original argument. Apparently this never gets old.

aa

yup, exactly... fallacy of composition.

Trump caused hate
hate caused kidnapping
fallacy: trump caused kidnapping

actually, it was Dismal that caused the kidnapping...

Dismal says things that people think is stupid
stupidity causes hateful actions
hate causes kidnapping
Therefore, Dismal caused the kidnapping.

Ooh, I got one:

US attacks Middle East
People in Middle East commit terrorism
US caused terrorism

 

[KeepTalking]

That looks like a horrible act. I hope that not only do they recieve the proper legal action, but they also receive a community blowback rejecting their actions - from all of us, especially those who think Trump is horrible. Trump is horrible and it should never lead to things like this from us.

It does not appear as though they will. If you feel like reading the news articles that quote the investigators, cops, and such. that all are saying things like, "We really don't want to pursue this as a hate crime".. and "it remains to be seen if this was a hate crime or just 'ranting off'".

so when black people assault white people, it is the cops responsibility to frame it as far from a hate crime as can possibly be imagined. If it is a white guy assaulting a black guy, then it is automatically an outrageous hate crime, unless somehow proven otherwise.

You clearly have not been following the news, despite the fact that this was all the MSM wanted to talk about yesterday:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/index.html

Jordan Hill, 18; Tesfaye Cooper; 18; Brittany Covington, 18; and Tanishia Covington, 24, have each been charged with a hate crime, felony aggravated kidnapping, aggravated unlawful restraint and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon.