More Violence at a Trump Rally

[Derec]

I'm just giving Godless Raven a little historical context. And anyway, staged or not, your stated plan to masturbate while watching it was flat-out creepy. It's like someone planning to eat liver, fava beans, and a nice chianti while watching Hannibal Lector attack a nurse in Silence of the Lambs.

It's a porn clip. What's the big deal? And besides, I don't like fava beans.

 

[Arctish]

I'm just giving Godless Raven a little historical context. And anyway, staged or not, your stated plan to masturbate while watching it was flat-out creepy. It's like someone planning to eat liver, fava beans, and a nice chianti while watching Hannibal Lector attack a nurse in Silence of the Lambs.

It's a porn clip. What's the big deal? And besides, I don't like fava beans.

It's a set piece that illustrates how consensual sex can become non-consensual in an instant, and why consent must be on-going for it to be meaningful.

The big deal is that you have gotten yourself into a hole and for some reason you can't stop digging. Every time the subject comes up, there you are slinging more dirt around and giving your critics more reason to think the worst of you.

 

[Derec]

It's a set piece that illustrates how consensual sex can become non-consensual in an instant, and why consent must be on-going for it to be meaningful.

It's a set piece which illustrates what an attention whore the Mattress Girl is.
As I do not believe she was any sort of victim (and evidence backs me up on that) I do not see a problem with fapping to it. But a nice derail at any rate.

The big deal is that you have gotten yourself into a hole and for some reason you can't stop digging. Every time the subject comes up, there you are slinging more dirt around and giving your critics more reason to think the worst of you.

BS.

 

[RavenSky]

It's a set piece which illustrates what an attention whore the Mattress Girl is.
As I do not believe she was any sort of victim (and evidence backs me up on that) I do not see a problem with fapping to it. But a nice derail at any rate.

The big deal is that you have gotten yourself into a hole and for some reason you can't stop digging. Every time the subject comes up, there you are slinging more dirt around and giving your critics more reason to think the worst of you.

BS.

Not "BS" Derec. You go on and on derailing multiple threads over the course of months talking about how women won't date you, but when women here point out to you over and over on multiple threads over the course of months how your own behavior is the turn-off, you complete ignore it.

Instead, you "see [no] problem with fapping to" a PSA about non-consensual sex done by a woman you constantly criticize and malign. Do you seriously not see how creepy that is?

Further, you display absolute glee about any news article of any female being harmed in any way, including the 15-year-old girl in this thread. Even if you assumed from the beginning (as you did) that she's a lying liar who lies, do you not see how creepy it is that you were so delighted she was pepper-sprayed?

I've always believed that your hostility towards women was a front for a tremendous amount of hurt, which is why I forgive and tolerate one hell of a lot more anti-women crap from you than I do from other people on this board - but stuff as noted above is making me think I have given you too much credit.

 

[Arctish]

It's a set piece which illustrates what an attention whore the Mattress Girl is.
As I do not believe she was any sort of victim (and evidence backs me up on that) I do not see a problem with fapping to it. But a nice derail at any rate.

I know you don't believe she was any sort of victim, but you have no evidence supporting your opinion other than Nugesser's denials and a carefully quote mined text message lacking timestamps and context. But that's not the point here. Godless Raven was unaware of the reason why a member would insinuate you'd jerk off to the sight of a 15 year old girl being pepper sprayed in the face. I showed him where that suspicion comes from.

The big deal is that you have gotten yourself into a hole and for some reason you can't stop digging. Every time the subject comes up, there you are slinging more dirt around and giving your critics more reason to think the worst of you.

BS.

Not BS.

You keep digging:

I do not see a problem with fapping to it

^This ^ gives your critics more reason to think the worst of you. You have planted your flag in disreputable territory and refuse to budge despite having been given several chances to shift your position. You just keep doubling down on the creep factor.

 

[Godless Raven]

Can you link me to the discussion where Derec says he's going to "jack off watching her beaten" or something like that? I completely missed the thread you are referring to.

Unfortunately, I google searched the 8 min video and watched it. That was disturbing. (although before you see the whole thing and it's context...the first few seconds are certainly beat off material )

http://talkfreethought.org/showthread.php?4799-Surprise-surprise!-quot-Mattress-Girl-quot-was-(very-likely)-not-raped-after-all&p=167636&viewfull=1#post167636

Like you said, the video is disturbing, so Derec's... jest? bragging? admission?.... didn't go over very well with the anti-abuse crowd.

Well, I found the video disturbing, personally. But to say he wanted to jack off to a "rape video" is not honest, because there actually are real rape videos out there and sick fuckers that get off on watching people being sexually assaulted. We ALL know that is not what this was, was not the intention of the person that made it and is not what Derec was saying. He clearly stated his opinion was that the whole thing was a bunk excuse for the creator to make porn and try sell it as something else. His comment, at least to me, appears to be in THAT context. That to him, she made a porn, and just like porn, it should be used to jerk off to. He states that argument repeatedly in that thread. But the response was that it's disgusting to jerk off to rape videos.

Yeah, if like some of you, Derec looked at that piece of...whatever it is...and saw it the way some of you do as a depiction of a simulated rape and then said "that shit turns me on, I gotta knock one off over it" that would be creepy to me. But that's not what appears to have happened...it was Derec saying "it's fucking porn and a piss poor excuse to try call it something else...I'll jerk off to it like the porn it is".

Jest? No, I think he means that sentiment...although I'm sure saying he'd jerk off to it was meant to poke a few of you the wrong way...intentionally. Bragging? No, I do not see that anywhere in anything he said. Admission? Doubtfully. like I said before, if someone wanted to get a hold of criminal porn it's out there and you wouldn't have to watch the 98% of the rest of her video to see what you're looking for.

The anti-abuse crowd? You guys sure like to abuse your favorite targets on a very regular basis.

Apparently, anti-abuse crowds think that because of a comment like the one on the thread you linked me to...it's okay to then say that the person jerks off to a minor getting assaulted in real life, nothing to do with pornography or simulated anything.

That to me is just abusing another person and making a VERY weak connection to something else to justify it. Anti-bullies become bullies in a heartbeat. They justify everything they do as anti-bully...but it's never about protecting anyone. It's about the bullying.

Accusing him of jerking off to a 15 year old who got pepper sprayed when he did and said nothing to warrant it is a fucking shitty thing to do and something a person would feel heavily embarrassed about, if only they were born with the gene for shame. Period.

 

[Godless Raven]

It's a set piece which illustrates what an attention whore the Mattress Girl is.
As I do not believe she was any sort of victim (and evidence backs me up on that) I do not see a problem with fapping to it. But a nice derail at any rate.


BS.

Not "BS" Derec. You go on and on derailing multiple threads over the course of months talking about how women won't date you, but when women here point out to you over and over on multiple threads over the course of months how your own behavior is the turn-off, you complete ignore it.

Instead, you "see [no] problem with fapping to" a PSA about non-consensual sex done by a woman you constantly criticize and malign. Do you seriously not see how creepy that is?

Further, you display absolute glee about any news article of any female being harmed in any way, including the 15-year-old girl in this thread. Even if you assumed from the beginning (as you did) that she's a lying liar who lies, do you not see how creepy it is that you were so delighted she was pepper-sprayed?

I've always believed that your hostility towards women was a front for a tremendous amount of hurt, which is why I forgive and tolerate one hell of a lot more anti-women crap from you than I do from other people on this board - but stuff as noted above is making me think I have given you too much credit.

This kind of hyperbole just makes everything worse.

A PSA? This video was no PSA.

Is the creator of the video above criticism because they made this video? That seems extraordinary to me, considering the two articles I read about her and the video stated repeatedly she created it for the purpose of inviting criticism. And frankly, of the criticisms I read, Derec's was one of the most generous in that he just thought the entire thing was an excuse to make a porn. I personally do not think that was her intention in creating it, I think she created for the intentions she stated, but that she played it very close to the line of being pornographic. I also think the video and creator deserve criticism for various aspects of it, but I do not have any problem with it. I personally do not think it belongs on a porn website, that seems ridiculous, but I don't know where the fuck it does belong. Not as a PSA, that's for sure.

Making a statement that Derec displays "absolute glee" is also just hyperbolic bullshit. Derec appears to get quite upset and disturbed by these topics he's constantly butting heads over and takes them every bit as seriously as the hand full of self proclaimed "anti-abuse" people on here. Every bit. It's about as helpful to do this as it would be for me to say RS takes absolute glee in repeatedly falsely accusing a man of being a groper and creeper without apologizing for her rush to judgement and fuck up and then insinuating that's what she likes to do. Then further going to every thread where someone accuses another person of sexual assault and saying "You just get off on falsely accusing men of sexual assault, man hater!" It would be based on actual fact...her comments on this fucking thread...but it would be wholly unfair and possibly even inaccurate.

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"I've always believed that your hostility towards men was a front for a tremendous amount of hurt, which is why I forgive and tolerate one hell of a lot more anti-male crap from you than I do from other people on this board - but stuff as noted above is making me think I have given you too much credit."

Do you all want to play by those rules? Let me know.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Here I might remind people that in your forum "settings", you can put somebody you have lost patience with on an "ignore" list. Life sometimes is too short.......

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/tr...-if-gop-tries-to-steal-candidates-nomination/

[h=1]Trump trickster plans ‘days of rage’ at convention if GOP tries to ‘steal’ candidate’s nomination[/h]
A former adviser to GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump is promising “days of rage” outside the GOP convention in Cleveland if the Republican Party tries to whisk the nomination away from Trump and give it to someone more palatable to the party. According to Buzzfeed, Roger Stone — who either quit or was fired by the Trump campaign last August depending upon who is talking — is modeling his street actions after the violent protests outside the Democratic convention in Chicago in 1968.
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With the possibility of a contested convention and Trump being denied the nomination, Stone has been tweeting out: “Stop the Steal March On Cleveland! @realDonaldTrump Supporters- drive,hitch-hike, bus or fly to “the Forest City’ July 18-21”
In an email interview with Buzzfeed, Stone said, the protests will be “organized by Trump nation,” in conjunction with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’ Infowars.

Troll invasion coming to Cleveland! Get the firehoses ready and starve the police dogs!

 

[RavenSky]

too bad Michael Steele got sacked as the head of the GOP, otherwise the name of the rally would have been more amusing.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Right wing radio nowadays can be a hoot. Right wing pundits pouring forth from the woodwork explaining all of this, talk show hosts choosing sides and ranting and raving about the unfairness of it all, and boo hiss Clinton! Along with a tinge of hoplessness mixed with whistle-past-the-graveyard bravado. Trump or chaos, take your pick lads.

Its like listening at night to a roving pack of mongrel dogs barking and baying and knocking over trashcans.