MS13 Are Animals

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The conservative media is once again supporting Drumpf by being so tepid they're falling for his talking points. They already gave that jackoff free press when he ran, putting him into office. Now they're apologizing for being right. Tools or Fools?

 

[laughing dog]

I’m not certain why calling MS-13 animals is really doing anything useful. We have plenty of domestic ‘animals’ committing awful crimes as well. And Trump speaks as if MS-13 has tens of thousands of border crossings each month.

Imagine if the media didn't make this non-story a story? Now many more people are aware of MS-13 and wondering why dems / liberals are defending them. Sure, there really are not that many of them in the US. But the media has scored an own goal in its hostility against Trump.

No one is defending the MS-13s. Are you under same impression as our bigoted POTUS that all brownskinned immigrants are members of MS-13?

 

[braces_for_impact]

His context was sloppy and you would have defended him in either case.

I'll certainly agree his context was sloppy. However, this is a situation where it's quite possible it's just sloppy speaking and not evil. He's done plenty of definitely wrong stuff, I don't feel inclined to condemn him for what very well might just be a mistake.

I’m not certain why calling MS-13 animals is really doing anything useful. We have plenty of domestic ‘animals’ committing awful crimes as well. And Trump speaks as if MS-13 has tens of thousands of border crossings each month.

That really is the very sad backdrop behind this entire story - that overall border crossings are way down, and there were more deportations under Obama for fuck's sake. Then, there's one more really horrible piece of context that shouldn't be forgotten, since we're all suddenly very careful to include context...that is the conditions in Central and South America. The reason people are fleeing is mostly to do with the drug war that the U.S. via hook and crook insist these countries fight. Then they show up asking for asylum and Fox news and others talk about "dangerous illegal criminal caravans". Why? To play on the racism of the old and bigoted, so they can make money. Pathetic.

 

[Opoponax]

I’m not certain why calling MS-13 animals is really doing anything useful. We have plenty of domestic ‘animals’ committing awful crimes as well. And Trump speaks as if MS-13 has tens of thousands of border crossings each month.

Imagine if the media didn't make this non-story a story? Now many more people are aware of MS-13 and wondering why dems / liberals are defending them. Sure, there really are not that many of them in the US. But the media has scored an own goal in its hostility against Trump.

So "the media" is supposed to play titty-mama to whatever Trump says so that when Trump says irresponsible shit, there are no consequences?

New York Times headline: "Oh, Don't Listen to Him. He Just Has A Tummy Ache From Too Much Candy."

Since when is a POTUS not held responsible for their words??? He's the motherfucker going on and on in his implications that every Mexican is a drug dealing violent fiend, not the press. So how about you hold him responsible for making it news.

This is similar to gun-nut thinking: if the damn press wouldn't report it, then it wouldn't happen. As if the murders of multiple kids at school isn't newsworthy.

Really, this is a problem with conservatives in general: if the media wouldn't report all the evil, stupid shit we do, then we could get away with what we want. And that sentiment is entirely without irony. They really mean that.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I’m not certain why calling MS-13 animals is really doing anything useful. We have plenty of domestic ‘animals’ committing awful crimes as well. And Trump speaks as if MS-13 has tens of thousands of border crossings each month.

Imagine if the media didn't make this non-story a story? Now many more people are aware of MS-13 and wondering why dems / liberals are defending them. Sure, there really are not that many of them in the US. But the media has scored an own goal in its hostility against Trump.

We’ve triggered a strawman folks. Follow typical protocols.

 

[ZiprHead]

ICE claimed a Dreamer was “gang-affiliated” and tried to deport him. A federal judge ruled that ICE was lying.

 

[RavenSky]

ICE claimed a Dreamer was “gang-affiliated” and tried to deport him. A federal judge ruled that ICE was lying.

^^^ That's the case I was referring to earlier. Thanks for providing the link! (I wonder if any of them will read it)

 

[braces_for_impact]

ICE claimed a Dreamer was “gang-affiliated” and tried to deport him. A federal judge ruled that ICE was lying.

^^^ That's the case I was referring to earlier. Thanks for providing the link! (I wonder if any of them will read it)

That's the irony here. On the odd case where a woman is found lying about rape, or an illegal immigrant actually commits a serious crime, or a suspect is actually shot in self-defense by a cop, they'll be posting the link so fast their chairs will be left spinning behind them. They'll be attempting to post such rarities as if these were the majority of cases that everyone discusses - which they most absolutely are not. Yet circumstances offered that don't mesh with their predetermined narrative will be summarily ignored or excused away. Such is the nature of cognitive bias.

ETA: Of course, the fact that about 2/3 of recent arrests by ICE have no criminal convictions doesn't support exactly what we're all saying here.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

ICE claimed a Dreamer was “gang-affiliated” and tried to deport him. A federal judge ruled that ICE was lying.

And ICE's plan would have worked if it weren't for the good lawyers defending this person, not to be mistaken for an animal. And that the judge was appointed by W kills (should kill... it probably won't kill it because obfuscation is a religion among the far-right) the idea of partisan crappery from the bench.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

His context was sloppy and you would have defended him in either case.

I'll certainly agree his context was sloppy. However, this is a situation where it's quite possible it's just sloppy speaking and not evil. He's done plenty of definitely wrong stuff, I don't feel inclined to condemn him for what very well might just be a mistake.

I’m not certain why calling MS-13 animals is really doing anything useful. We have plenty of domestic ‘animals’ committing awful crimes as well. And Trump speaks as if MS-13 has tens of thousands of border crossings each month.

It's not useful. I'm just saying it's merely borderline, there's plenty of greater evil to focus on. When you attack the marginal stuff you degrade your position.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I’m not certain why calling MS-13 animals is really doing anything useful. We have plenty of domestic ‘animals’ committing awful crimes as well. And Trump speaks as if MS-13 has tens of thousands of border crossings each month.

It's not useful. I'm just saying it's merely borderline, there's plenty of greater evil to focus on. When you attack the marginal stuff you degrade your position.

How borderline is it? Trump keeps on juxtaposing MS-13 with all people trying to get into the US.

 

[dismal]

Trump keeps on juxtaposing MS-13 with all people trying to get into the US.

No, that would be you.

 

[RavenSky]

Trump keeps on juxtaposing MS-13 with all people trying to get into the US.

No, that would be you.

No. That would be Trump.

They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.