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Murder in the bible

Sloppy phands

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Where is the death toll? I see no body count in these.
So much for your fake love of evidence.
 
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Statistics vary, but between 50 million and 80 million people killed in World War 2. The high number would include actual war casualties and disease and starvation. I don't know that civilization requires millions to be slain, but one would be hard pressed to describe it as an act of nature.
I assumed that was what you ment. WWW was major fuckup no result of love and peace and was not required to build civilisation so what was your point?

My point, as if I needed to make a point, is that civilization and violent death, go hand in hand. When one surveys the past 6 or 7 thousand years, one will not find any correlation between civilized behavior and "peace and love."

The OP presents an argument that there is something aberrant about the Bible, and those who value the Bible are poorly informed because a large part of the Bible deals with killing people. A book which purports to present a history as old as the Bible would be aberrant, if it did not deal with a lot of death.
 
You guys do not understand the Bible at all. You seem to believe that Judaism = OT and Christianity =NT. Judaism is an interpretation of the OT. Just like the US Supreme Court tells us what the US Constitution means, the Talmud and the Midrash and later writings tell us (from a Jewish Perspective) what the OT means. Take the death penalty, for example. The OT is full of the death penalty for a zillion offenses. But the Rabbis (the commentators of the Talmudic period, 2nd 8th centuries approx) and later commentators such as Maimonides made the imposition of the death penalty almost impossible.

Jews in general do not absolve God of anything. In fact, Eli Wiesel wrote a play called the Trial of God in which Jews in Auschwitz put God on trial and find him guilty of crimes against humanity. Passages that are troubling like the binding of Isaac do not just get swept under the rug.
 
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Where is the death toll? I see no body count in these.
So much for your fake love of evidence.

Aren't you ignoring verses that do have a 'body count?'
 
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Where is the death toll? I see no body count in these.
So much for your fake love of evidence.

Aren't you ignoring verses that do have a 'body count?'

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
 
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Where is the death toll? I see no body count in these.
So much for your fake love of evidence.

Aren't you ignoring verses that do have a 'body count?'

No. I'm calling out phands unsupported assertion about those verses.
If you're attempting to appear academic about a subject - how many people did God kill - don't cite verses which have a zero body count.

Also, it's intellectually dishonest to describe capital punishment as murder. But hey, this is phands we're dealing with so...
 
“When reading the history of the Jewish people, of their flight from slavery to death, of their exchange of tyrants, I must confess that my sympathies are all aroused in their behalf. They were cheated, deceived and abused. Their god was quick-tempered unreasonable, cruel, revengeful and dishonest. He was always promising but never performed. He wasted time in ceremony and childish detail, and in the exaggeration of what he had done. It is impossible for me to conceive of a character more utterly detestable than that of the Hebrew god. He had solemnly promised the Jews that he would take them from Egypt to a land flowing with milk and honey. He had led them to believe that in a little while their troubles would be over, and that they would soon in the land of Canaan, surrounded by their wives and little ones, forget the stripes and tears of Egypt. After promising the poor wanderers again and again that he would lead them in safety to the promised land of joy and plenty, this God, forgetting every promise, said to the wretches in his power:—'Your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness and your children shall wander until your carcasses be wasted.' This curse was the conclusion of the whole matter. Into this dust of death and night faded all the promises of God. Into this rottenness of wandering despair fell all the dreams of liberty and home. Millions of corpses were left to rot in the desert, and each one certified to the dishonesty of Jehovah. I cannot believe these things. They are so cruel and heartless, that my blood is chilled and my sense of justice shocked. A book that is equally abhorrent to my head and heart, cannot be accepted as a revelation from God.

When we think of the poor Jews, destroyed, murdered, bitten by serpents, visited by plagues, decimated by famine, butchered by each other, swallowed by the earth, frightened, cursed, starved, deceived, robbed and outraged, how thankful we should be that we are not the chosen people of God. No wonder that they longed for the slavery of Egypt, and remembered with sorrow the unhappy day when they exchanged masters. Compared with Jehovah, Pharaoh was a benefactor, and the tyranny of Egypt was freedom to those who suffered the liberty of God.

While reading the Pentateuch, I am filled with indignation, pity and horror. Nothing can be sadder than the history of the starved and frightened wretches who wandered over the desolate crags and sands of wilderness and desert, the prey of famine, sword, and plague. Ignorant and superstitious to the last degree, governed by falsehood, plundered by hypocrisy, they were the sport of priests, and the food of fear. God was their greatest enemy, and death their only friend.

It is impossible to conceive of a more thoroughly despicable, hateful, and arrogant being, than the Jewish god. He is without a redeeming feature. In the mythology of the world he has no parallel. He, only, is never touched by agony and tears. He delights only in blood and pain. Human affections are naught to him. He cares neither for love nor music, beauty nor joy. A false friend, an unjust judge, a braggart, hypocrite, and tyrant, sincere in hatred, jealous, vain, and revengeful, false in promise, honest in curse, suspicious, ignorant, and changeable, infamous and hideous:—such is the God of the Pentateuch.”
― Robert G. Ingersoll, from Some Mistakes of Moses
 
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Where is the death toll? I see no body count in these.
So much for your fake love of evidence.

Aren't you ignoring verses that do have a 'body count?'

No. I'm calling out phands unsupported assertion about those verses.
If you're attempting to appear academic about a subject - how many people did God kill - don't cite verses which have a zero body count.

Also, it's intellectually dishonest to describe capital punishment as murder. But hey, this is phands we're dealing with so...

I'm not ''attempting to appear academic,'' or anything else. You use that line as a means of defense. I am merely pointing out that the Bible has verses related to God sanctioned murder, killing and enslavement. God Himself is described as drowning the whole World because He wasn't happy with how things were.
 
I'm not ''attempting to appear academic,'' or anything else. You use that line as a means of defense. I am merely pointing out that the Bible has verses related to God sanctioned murder, killing and enslavement. God Himself is described as drowning the whole World because He wasn't happy with how things were.


Sodom and Gamorah too, including Lot's wife. And killing the first born sons of Egypt. God seems to have a zest for murder. But since he's God, I guess its not murder for him to kill people for no justifiable reason. So long as his own psychotic mind wants them dead, it is just and right, because he is Gawd.
 
There is a different perspective to Hiroshima and Nagasaki it seems then, for the "justifiable reason".
 
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Where is the death toll? I see no body count in these.
So much for your fake love of evidence.

Aren't you ignoring verses that do have a 'body count?'

Of course he is...that's how he keeps his lies going. That's why I have the useless waste of air on ignore.
 
There is a different perspective to Hiroshima and Nagasaki it seems then, for the "justifiable reason".

War is fundamentally evil. Are you suggesting that the 'god' character is too? Because it certainly seems that way.

No I'm not suggesting that but then as a previous post mentioned about being psychotic.

Are we then to say that those who are at missile launching sites ,at the ready ,who were screened for the very puprose to follow that command without hesitation because they would possess those psychotic natures, including those giving the orders? Whats the context in the OP: Murder (for no reason without warning) or reaction to defend and protect against the ill-causes for war? Biblically IOW according to the theology ; wars were brought to God and HIS people.


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Interestingly like the many ancient character beliefs, you could say it was also the "war of the gods" (pagan gods Versus the one God) in the bible too. Not forgetting quite a lot of deaths and murders including human-sacrificial rituals by the pagan-god followers of ancient times. Baal etc...seems the worse - the shoe fits - in my (biased) opinion and... why commandments were introduced.
 
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There is a different perspective to Hiroshima and Nagasaki it seems then, for the "justifiable reason".

So killing the guilty and innocent alike without the prospect of trial or rehabilitation is justified under some circumstances? Even when, according to the story, it was God Himself who is said to abhor killing.....Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you.......?
 
Even when, according to the story, it was God Himself who is said to abhor killing....

Sadly, that's just yet another bible contradiction. To repeat the first part of evilbible.com...

For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children. I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along.


It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).


God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife!


Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered

So much for abhorring killing.....
 
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